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I am looking for a projector for my basement. I don't like dark rooms so I will probably have a dim lamp (40 watt) on in the room while watching.


Although I do enjoy current releases as well, I am a big fan of Film Noir and other old black and white movies. So I am looking for an inexpensive projector that excels with this material (while still performing well on recent material)


Any opinions would be appreciated!


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What source? SD-DVD?


I personally do not like DLP for B&W movies.

Panasonic LCD projectors fair decent on it.

You have to be carefull, bad source means bad video quality these days on many ultra sharp modern projectors and displays.
 

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Welcome to AVS


I'm a huge Film Noir, Classic, Vintage film buff as well. And I also enjoy new releases along with on line content, still photo shows and IMAX . B&W was also a concern for me as well. I also share your like of a minimal level of ambient light (task lighting) during certain types of viewing, sports being one, or any viewing where there is some interaction between the viewers and that could be watching family vacation movies or stills or movies with the kids where you want to keep a eye on things. Based around all this and still wanting the absolute best light control thus contrast for that film like image for Film Noir etc. I put a lot of thought into the room design DIY screen design along with projector selection.


My first criteria was I needed a Academy aspect ratio projector (4:3) the reason being is your screen width and seating distance once fixed you will not be happy watching a huge classic movie cropped into a 16:9 or scope screen. This goes against 99.9% of the advice most will give you but the vast majority of HT enthusiasts see wide screen as their primary interest and 4:3 as being dead and outdated, and when it's a must watch they feel reducing the size improves on the poor quality of the SD signal such as regular TV. That is true and most 4:3 projectors have three modes of cropping one being a window mode that compresses the picture smaller.


The real issues with going 4:3 is the projectors in this mode are labeled business projectors and the vast majority are XGA resolution 1024x768 the bottom end of what most call HD. Business projectors are also normally higher lumens, lower cost and some do well at displaying movie content and some not as good. The extra lumens is something I desired for all the mode of viewing I'm doing as they will indirectly help you maintain perceived contrast with that controlled task lighting with the right screen.


I selected DLP and have had no issues when viewing B&W, calibration is important as many that see rainbows find them easier on B&W material especially if the foot lambert level off the screen is too high. I personally love DLP and I have had at least 50 different people in the theater and haven't had a rainbow complaint yet, not saying you may not find you have issues just that with the newer higher speed color wheels etc. its becoming more rare.


I guess a picture is worth a 1000 words so I will attach a few showing how some old movies have been restored and transferred to DVD with amazing results while others have just been transferred and still have all the film stock issues you would see if watching the movie off a 60 year old film. The screen shots were just taken without any special tweaking and I made no attempt to get shots that look different than what I see normally. The cam does distort some of the photos a little out of square that's not the screen bowing. All images below are from std DVD, HD sources like cable look much sharper. Clicking on any of the photos will take you to a page where you can select full size and really get a close look at the image.














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Think about and experiment with some painters tape and a chair screen sizes and viewing distances. My viewing distances is 10' first row and 14' second row on riser. Screen size is native 72x 96 and in 16:9, 54 x 96. Most 4:3 projectors allow you to use the unused pixels when in 16:9 mode to do a vertical image shift. And the first (hulk) picture the image has been pushed to the top of the screen to show what no masking looks like on the bottom.


Like I said this is not for everyone just what worked for me and hopefully answered a few questions what another B&W fan did.
 

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I have read that removing the color wheel from a DLP produces excellent b&w output and there are members here with fairly good DLP units that have failed color wheels (just do as search on color wheel). Contact some of them, they may be willing to sell for a very very low price since the part is worth more than the projector some times. This would get you started for next to nothing and you could upgrade to something that has color at a later time, after you have played around bit in B&W... just an idea..
 

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I would go with Maximum Contrast Ratios. Most Classic B&W movies had real masters working the cameras and lighting.. there is a LOT more subtle detail and shadow in Those films.


If you want authentic.. try to find a silver screen.



The Epson 3 LCD projectors (like the 8100) will probably blow you away on B&W content..
 

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Thanks for the great advice. If there are more opinions out there I'd love to hear them. Thanks for the screen shots bud. Nice examples of films too.
 

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I don't think the silver lenticular screen of days gone by is what you would want for a moderen projector. One of the the good things about modern projectors is they are very bright and if anything they can spoil the film like quality for some. Everyone has different tastes when it comes to PQ. We are exposed to so much media that is so vivid and plasma like sometimes going back to the days of yore we would find them not as amazing as we old folks remember them as kids. I even find unless I go to a really high end movie theater now even with a older cheeper projector at home I'm beating the theater in PQ by a lot. Then again my local and small IMAX screen is 25 times the area of mine, not a fair fight.


I wanted to enjoy old movies but didn't really try and replacate the bad parts of the old days. Some of the poor transfers even come with fuzz and flecks jumping around on the image. That's not good but sometimes is fun to see.


One of the biggest things I did in my theater to bring back the good old days was my back row seating was salvaged seats from our towns Warner Theater circa 1930 cast iron art deco skinny (20) velvet seats. I put them on a riser but built it to resemble the balcony wall a bit. I cant sit in them without hearing my mother telling me to take my rubber boots off during the show, because it was bad for your brain.
 
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