[c722]

Is there a HDMI receiver that has an optimized mode for phantom center ? I've checked out the flag ship Denon/Yamaha/Pioneers, they all dun have it. The pio 59txi I have now has it (called "Real Phantom" where it has some special processing for it), but I need the new audio decodes.


Thank you for your help.

 

[JOHNnDENVER]

I'm not even sure this works with the players that have analog multi-ch out.

I'd think any avr that actually decodes lossless would support it, maybe not on Multi-ch PCM though.

 

[aseer]

I was under the impression that most current receivers will give you the option of mixing the center channel into the L/R (which is my understanding of what a phantom center config is). I am looking at a similar constraint that will make a center channel problematic and so I am considering a 4.0 or 4.1. I am hoping to find input on a receiver that does the best job of phantom center reproduction (I was considering the SC-05 but so far I have only used it in 7.1 configurations). Are there specific receivers that excel in phantom center reproduction?

 

[corpfan1]

I am interested as well in this question...


...because I am wondering if I should PHANTOM, or use my old HTIB center instead until I re-do my setup to fit in the new center I eventually buy.


I am leaning towards the Yamaha RXV3900 - so if anyone does this with that receiver, I would love to hear your opinions.


Thanks!

 

[bluewaves]

On most receivers when you don't select that you have a center that signal gets re mixed into the front left and right channels. Just make sure you go through and select no center in your setup menu on the receiver.

 

[penngray]



Quote:
Is there a HDMI receiver that has an optimized mode for phantom center ? I've checked out the flag ship Denon/Yamaha/Pioneers, they all dun have it. The pio 59txi I have now has it (called "Real Phantom" where it has some special processing for it), but I need the new audio decodes.


Thank you for your help.

What do you mean by optimize? You either have a Center or most AVRs send the sound out through the L/R mains.


My current HT setup has no center, been that way for 6 months now and the Denon 2809 does it fine, the Yahama 663 does it fine and the Pioneer 1018 does it fine.

 

[JediSpork]

Your primary concern should be about finding a receiver that does not enable drc with dolby soundtracks when using less than a 5.1 setup. My onkyo 606 works fine but I have a older panasonic that does not handle it properly.


more info in this thread

http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...formation.html

 

[Sirquack]

Any receiver can provide a phantom center, just tell the receiver you don't have a center, pretty simple.

 

[c722]



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Originally Posted by aseer /forum/post/15828798


Are there specific receivers that excel in phantom center reproduction?

yes there is. .. (and sorry to revive this thread)


The old Pioneer flagship 59txi, has a mode called "Real Phantom". With this mode enabled, it uses HRTF (Head Related Transfer Function) to simulate a center speaker. (U can do a wiki on "HRTF") Yes I know any receiver can mix center channel into L/R in the absence of a center speaker. But this Pioneer goes one step further. With this mode, the effect is extremely audible. The phantom center is significantly better than without (i.e. plain mixing center to L/R). The difference is almost like nite and day! Without this, I will not run a phantom setup.


The problem I have now is, Pioneer seems to have dropped this in its latest HDMI avr offerings. And I'm now missing all these hidef audio codecs!

 

[SoundChex]



Quote:
Originally Posted by c722 /forum/post/16508346


yes there is. .. (and sorry to revive this thread)


The old Pioneer flagship 59txi, has a mode called "Real Phantom". With this mode enabled, it uses HRTF (Head Related Transfer Function) to simulate a center speaker. (U can do a wiki on "HRTF") Yes I know any receiver can mix center channel into L/R in the absence of a center speaker. But this Pioneer goes one step further. With this mode, the effect is extremely audible. The phantom center is significantly better than without (i.e. plain mixing center to L/R). The difference is almost like nite and day! Without this, I will not run a phantom setup.


The problem I have now is, Pioneer seems to have dropped this in its latest HDMI avr offerings. And I'm now missing all these hidef audio codecs!

Be careful: I'm under the impression that TrueHD and DTS-HDMA will only extract the 2 channel downmix from the BD, if you do not have all of L, C, R, Ls, and Rs real speakers. To get 5.1 [which you can 'center phantom'] you may be stuck using the 'improved lossy' fallback DD5.1 or DTS5.1 track also present on the BD.

 

[Iworktofish]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirquack /forum/post/15888678


Any receiver can provide a phantom center, just tell the receiver you don't have a center, pretty simple.

My HK254 does not seem to want to accommodate. It will run it's "EZ Set" and recognize it's a 4.1 setup but dialogue is certainly missing. Any other option other than forcing 2 channel and losing the rear surrounds results in lost dialogue. It is possible I'm not setting it up properly, but I've read all the directions and spent considerable time in trial & error.

 

[bluewaves]

Is your blu-ray doing the decoding or is the receiver? If the blu-ray is you might be losing the dialogue that way since the channel is already pre decoded, if you receiver is doing the decoding you might have half a chance.