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Best Remote Control for Home Automation

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What do people here think is the best remote control that can handle home A/V, window shades, and maybe door locks?

 

I have an Atlona 4x4 Matrix in my closet, which includes IR input and IR output in each of the 4 rooms, so I can do either IR or RF. The Atlona can send audio and video to each of the TVs in my home. I also have window shades with a Somfy URTSI-II controller which can send up/down signals to my motorized shades. I would love to find a solution that controls everything easily at a reasonable budget.

 

I looked at Control4 and I am okay with paying $1500 for a controller and another $300 for the remote, but installers seem to want around $1000 for programming & installation plus Control4 has a $99/year fee for using the iOS remote app.  I know Control4 has a really nice on-screen interface, but I honestly doubt I'd use it much. When I want to lock/unlock the shades, I'd much prefer to press a couple buttons on the remote which takes 5 seconds, rather than turning on a TV and navigating through menus.

 

I looked at Universal Remote Control which has a MRX-10 which looks nice, paired up with a TRC-780 might work really good for me. I think the MRX-10 can talk to my Somfy URTSI-II.

 

I am also looking at other options, like setting up a home theater PC to manage everything and finding some HTPC remote that can do A/V and can also do window shades.

 

In the future, I'd also love my remote control to lock/unlock my front door locks.  So whatever solution I come up with today, I'd like it to be scalable to add things in the future like door locks and maybe some room lights.

 

Any suggestions?
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With Control4, you can use the app for free if you are at home on wifi and not wanting to remotely check in on your home when you leave your house/wifi network. You may want to double check on that, but I believe the app is free for in house use and only charge $99/year for access to "4Sight" which is the ability to remotely use the app when off your Wifi Network (ie on data network on your cell phone/tablet)


As far as the system, you can also install some keypads on the wall, they can control your lights AND shades that you mention (if you are shades are on a system that is compatible with Control4 and Somfy is compatible). So you could use keypads on the wall, the remote if you buy the remote, onscreen menu on TV, the app on your phone/tablet, etc. You can even get voice control if you add a voicepod. If you build out the system, you can use control4 touch screens too for control of the system (over kill for a simple system). Control4 is scalable to do your front doors when you are ready, Audio/Video needs, etc.
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Have you checked out apps like iRule (iOS + Android) and Roomie (iOS)? - they can both do everything you're looking for, but are nowhere near as turnkey as a higher-end solution like Control4. As you might expect; very different price points though!

At first glance, the Roomie Remote looks like it may fit my needs perfectly. Thank you. I will look further into it.
Rti has some great stuff. Tons of flexibility and it'll scale up to control pretty much anything.

Rticorp.com and check it out. If interested pm me and I can get you into a setup at an affordable price.
I am an AV Integrator. I've used many different systems over the 11 years I've been doing this and there are good and bad for pretty much every type of system.


Mobile App systems like iRule, Roomie, and Bitwise are great, but limited. iRule and Roomie do not have any hardware of their own. Everything they offer is built by a third party. iRule is most likely EXTREMELY limited when it comes to controlling things like Door Locks. It's designed mostly for a Home Theater setup. Roomie has a 3rd Party Zwave controller offered that may control certain door locks. Bitwise is a much more robust system that is only available through authorized dealers (I was one, but have let my registration lapse.) They can control certain Zwave devices, but I'm not sure about door locks. I would assume so, but couldn't tell you for sure.


Lower End full Home Automation system's are probably what you should be looking at as they offer many more options and expandability. These will generally have a higher upfront cost (as well as programming cost) but will benefit you with better customer service/support if you choose the right AV Integrator. These systems are much easier to add things like Door Locks, Controllable Thermostats, Sensors to trigger automation tasks, lighting, shades, etc.

Control4, Total Control (URC), and RTI are three systems in this realm. Control4 has many more system's out there, but has been selling for longer. URC has been around MUCH longer than Control4 and has sold MANY MANY remotes over the years. They added their Total Control system a few years ago and last year was a big year for them. 2014 will be a huge year for the Total Control system as well. They have many new products and features being released this year. As a comparison an Integrator/Programmer has many more customizable features with Total Control. Also, Control4 has had a reputation of releasing product before its completed. Control4 does have more products with their brand on them, as well as built-in control with certain devices (like Some Sony AV Receivers.) Total Control has more remote options (another remote is about to be released - TRC1080) but is currently limited to iOS (no Android, but adding it very soon) for mobile use. Total Control does not charge a monthly fee for out of house mobile use, (except for the case of door locks) but there may be nominal fees depending on if you need a DDNS. RTI charges a license fee for so many mobile devices. If you want more you need to pay extra. RTI has some decent remotes, but as far as modern remotes go you need to spend around $900 (There is supposedly a $500 one on it's way.) Total Control and RTI both offer larger screens for 2way communication information. Control4's remote's screen is tiny.

A basic Total Control system would be cheaper than what you priced out for Control4. A one room basic RTI system is proably the cheapest but that's with a remote with a Black/White remote that's pretty large. The TC MRX-10 does have control of RS232 devices, IR, IP, Relays, Contacts, etc. Zwave control will be added any day now. URC will be adding a new controller with the GUI overlay like Control4's, but you said you weren't interested in that.


Mid to High End Home AUtomation systems are Elan G!, Savant, Crestron, AMX, and Vantage. These are probably overkill and more money than you'd like to spend.


I am an URC Total Control and Vantage Direct Dealer if you have questions about those systems. I have also installed RTI systems and have a little experience with Bitwise so I can answer questions on those systems as well. There are also lots of other systems out there as well. Such as DIY systems like Insteon.


My personal opinion is Total Control is your best option. It's reasonably priced and has a lot of potential for expanding. Control4 can be nice, but it's not a publicly controlled company so we'll see what happens when they have to run a business to make stock holders money. There are also a lot of bad Control4 dealers out there. They use to let pretty much anyone become a dealer. But anyway you decide to go good luck!!!
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I wouldn't put RTI in the lower end only spectrum. RTI can pretty much do anything savant, creston etc can. I would stack RTI with crestron if I was comparing as it is one of the few that is completely customizable. Savant and control4 are more of the what you see is what you get/stuck with interfaces. RTI licenses aren't awful. $100 for an iphone and you have a full fledge remote minus hardbuttons. There are numerous remotes and you can get some under the $500 range. RTI also has a procontrol line. That comes at an even lower price point but is still very flexible and capable. http://procontrol.com


In my opinion URC's complete line of remotes blow.
RTI is at the lower end of the price spectrum in centralized control. I agree it can do most of what Savant and Crestron can do, but it cannot do everything. It is graphically very customizable which is nice, but that adds a higher price tag to it. I've used RTI before and have had good luck. I like their product, but in no way would consider it "high end." Their remotes are nice, but are BIG. And in today's world a remote with a black and white screen just won't cut it IMO! URC's newer remotes are smaller, more natural in the hand. The two newer rechargeable models are super light (though i actually would prefer them to be a little heavier.) I did forget about ProControls. I used them on one job. Programming is odd, but it got the job done. Customer is happy. Since it is made by RTI it is a pretty big remote though. And I'm not sure (i'd have to go back and check) but I don't think ProControls can control Zwave or Zigbee. They may have RS232 or IP control over a Zwave/Zigbee controller, but unfortunately that may limit what Zwave/Zigbee devices you can use.


Savant, Control4, URC Total Control, and Vantage (Equinox) are definitely limited graphically. They have set graphics, but that does save when it comes to programming. URC Total Control will be releasing a more customizable interface soon for those dealers who wish to customize the graphics more.
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I agree they are big. When I first got one I was like wtf. As time goes on you learn to like it pretty quickly. The t3v is a better size then the t2 remotes


Yes lower end of spectrum on price for sure

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Originally Posted by joe277  /t/1517477/best-remote-control-for-home-automation#post_24366775



Mobile App systems like iRule, Roomie, and Bitwise are great, but limited. iRule and Roomie do not have any hardware of their own. Everything they offer is built by a third party. iRule is most likely EXTREMELY limited when it comes to controlling things like Door Locks. It's designed mostly for a Home Theater setup. Roomie has a 3rd Party Zwave controller offered that may control certain door locks. Bitwise is a much more robust system that is only available through authorized dealers (I was one, but have let my registration lapse.) They can control certain Zwave devices, but I'm not sure about door locks. I would assume so, but couldn't tell you for sure.


Lower End full Home Automation system's are probably what you should be looking at as they offer many more options and expandability. These will generally have a higher upfront cost (as well as programming cost) but will benefit you with better customer service/support if you choose the right AV Integrator. These systems are much easier to add things like Door Locks, Controllable Thermostats, Sensors to trigger automation tasks, lighting, shades, etc.

Adding HVAC/lighting/shades/lock control to iRule couldn't be simpler once you buy the right hardware. I'm guessing Roomie is the same way.


I went from URC -> iRule and unless iRule implodes would never go back.
No handheld remotes with Roomie... I've yet to come across a client who wanted ONLY a mobile device to control a TV/Surround system that I haven't swayed the other way. When using a TV you don't want to have to constantly look down or wake up a Mobile device to change the channel or volume. Roomie may work for other devices, but in a TV setting it is not useful. Plus they don't make hardware. Relying on other companies to supply your hardware is not a way, as a professional, I would want to take my business.

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Originally Posted by gerard143  /t/1517477/best-remote-control-for-home-automation#post_24366863


RTI also has a procontrol line. That comes at an even lower price point but is still very flexible and capable. http://procontrol.com


In my opinion URC's complete line of remotes blow.
 

Those RTI remotes look great. I used URC RF remotes about 5 years ago and I never really liked them. They felt blocky in my hand like I was holding a giant Lego piece. The buttons worked but were never super easy to find and press down (the volume button always needed extra pressure to work), but I have not used their newer 2-way wifi remotes.

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Originally Posted by joe277  /t/1517477/best-remote-control-for-home-automation#post_24367203


Relying on other companies to supply your hardware is not a way, as a professional, I would want to take my business.

Microsoft?
Microsoft supplies computer software. Not a custom, professionally installed A/V system. In today's world Electronics and "App" companies come and go very quickly.
Jon,

URC's newer remotes are smaller and a lot less "blocky". I never liked their older remotes myself. Very clunky and not very intuitive. Check out their MX-780 ($300), MX-890 ($500), and MX-1200 ($600) remotes. These are their new ones. Much nicer. The Total Control versions of those remotes are the TRC-780 , TRC-1080, and TRC-1280 which are all 2way (the 780 is limited 2way). They are a little more than the regular URC versions, but the added full 2way is worth it. RTI's new T2x is an awesome remote, but it's definitely "blocky" and pretty big. It has a gorgeous screen and some nice features for $900.

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Originally Posted by joe277  /t/1517477/best-remote-control-for-home-automation#post_24367203


Relying on other companies to supply your hardware is not a way, as a professional, I would want to take my business.

Who's asking you to? I'm just trying to correct your misinformation about the cheap tablet apps (iRule, Roomie)
Using Roomie, iRule, etc, requires the use of 3rd Party hardware (which they actually use some of the same hardware) for the system to work. I was just saying that I wouldn't sell that to my customers because I wouldn't want to install a system that ONLY relies on another companies hardware. Doesn't make it a bad system, just not what I'm looking for as a product to sell to customers.
If your devices can be controlled via IP or HTTP you don't need any extra hardware except your phone/tablet. If you need IR/serial gateways, global cache stuff is cheap and rock solid.


I wouldn't expect A/V integrators to have any interest in iRule - there's little margin in it and it's not dealer controlled. Can't blame you for that.
If iRule and Roomie had there own hardware like Bitwise I'd trust them to be around longer. It's cool that you don't need any controller to control IP devices, but that just means you need to rely on a WiFi connection for your control. I guess for a few devices. A room or 2 that would work. A whole house you're relying to much on mobile devices, but on the other hand, that is what customers keep asking about even though it should be an add-on, not the main source of control. Lol. Give them what they want.

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Originally Posted by joe277  /t/1517477/best-remote-control-for-home-automation#post_24367593


It's cool that you don't need any controller to control IP devices, but that just means you need to rely on a WiFi connection for your control.

Huh?


lol
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