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Better late than never: My CES report:
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Good one Curt thanks. You too missed the elusive Onkyo Receiver that was loaded with goodies in the THX Neural booth, and HDMI booth, I have never seen a more advanced dsp processing suite in any receiver, neural surround claims to outperform DPL2 in recreating 5.1 discrete surround from any source, it had the audissey too. It has like 5 HDMI 1.3 ins and 2 outs, the unit does not have a model number.
If any one has a picture of this elusive piece, i'll give them $5.
If any one has a picture of this elusive piece, i'll give them $5.
I think you are referring to the TX-NR900.
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX /forum/post/0
Good one Curt thanks. You too missed the elusive Onkyo Receiver that was loaded with goodies in the THX Neural booth, and HDMI booth, I have never seen a more advanced dsp processing suite in any receiver, neural surround claims to outperform DPL2 in recreating 5.1 discrete surround from any source, it had the audissey too. It has like 5 HDMI 1.3 ins and 2 outs, the unit does not have a model number.
If any one has a picture of this elusive piece, i'll give them $5.
I think you are referring to the TX-NR900.
No this is the latest thing with not even a part number yet. It's in between the 804 and the giant card based unit in size. It has a new neural surround dsp engine that recreates discrete sounds from any source noit just xm neural. it has rs-232 audissey eq, 5 hdmi 1.3 ins 2 out. It is an awesomely featured receiver.
Fantastic Coverage Curt!
I feel like I was there.
I feel like I was there.
Excellent coverage Curt.
I too had the privilege of sitting through the "Tesla Theory" speaker cable demo. There were two others in the room who expressed wonder at the "expanded soundstage and better highs, etc., etc.". When they asked me, I said that if there were any difference, it was so subtle that a better controlled A-B test needed to be done. I made no pretense to be a great audiophile, even though my home audio equipment is among some of the best.
They appeared disgusted with my remarks, at which time my wife and I left while they were spouting more Tesla theory. I almost thought it was a joke and the other two were a part of the game.
Thanks for your good info.
Sid
I too had the privilege of sitting through the "Tesla Theory" speaker cable demo. There were two others in the room who expressed wonder at the "expanded soundstage and better highs, etc., etc.". When they asked me, I said that if there were any difference, it was so subtle that a better controlled A-B test needed to be done. I made no pretense to be a great audiophile, even though my home audio equipment is among some of the best.
They appeared disgusted with my remarks, at which time my wife and I left while they were spouting more Tesla theory. I almost thought it was a joke and the other two were a part of the game.
Thanks for your good info.
Sid
Sid PM me as well or go public. These people need to be exposed for the frauds they are. It is just sick what these guys get away with. I for one am not shy about taking them on.
I'm willing to go public on these people.
They are commonly known as Synergistic Research and their cables have been receiving high acclaim from reviewers and listeners alike for years. Their cables are up there with Audioquest, Nordost, Tara, Granite, and several others at the top of the cable game. Besides specific geometry and silver alloys they use an active shield that carries a 28 VDC field surrounding all their top cables. While I don't know about 0 capacitance I do know that the cables reduce RFI & EMI and create a much higher current field than Audioquest DBS can with their batteries.
I've heard this demo many times at several shows and IMHO they expand the soundstage in both depth and width and sweeten the sound when the active shield is turned on.
I think most members on this 20K forum would agree that cables do make a difference so why is this theory debunked. It would seem that a shield against outside interference of this strength is likely to do something positive, and the new Tesla Line is cheaper than their previous X2 Line. We seldom see reductions in cable costs as new improvements are developed. My ears tell me Synergistic is to be applauded for this advancement which is accompanied by a price reduction. Let the cable naysayers populate the lesser Forums. I think we know good cable makes a difference.
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Sid PM me as well or go public. These people need to be exposed for the frauds they are. It is just sick what these guys get away with. I for one am not shy about taking them on.
I'm willing to go public on these people.
They are commonly known as Synergistic Research and their cables have been receiving high acclaim from reviewers and listeners alike for years. Their cables are up there with Audioquest, Nordost, Tara, Granite, and several others at the top of the cable game. Besides specific geometry and silver alloys they use an active shield that carries a 28 VDC field surrounding all their top cables. While I don't know about 0 capacitance I do know that the cables reduce RFI & EMI and create a much higher current field than Audioquest DBS can with their batteries.
I've heard this demo many times at several shows and IMHO they expand the soundstage in both depth and width and sweeten the sound when the active shield is turned on.
I think most members on this 20K forum would agree that cables do make a difference so why is this theory debunked. It would seem that a shield against outside interference of this strength is likely to do something positive, and the new Tesla Line is cheaper than their previous X2 Line. We seldom see reductions in cable costs as new improvements are developed. My ears tell me Synergistic is to be applauded for this advancement which is accompanied by a price reduction. Let the cable naysayers populate the lesser Forums. I think we know good cable makes a difference.
Well I did hear it in person and heard NO difference. I'm still a skeptic.
Their demo was flawed in so many ways it wasn't funny.
Their demo was flawed in so many ways it wasn't funny.
I'm not going to get into the whole cable argument. That's a topic for (yet another) thread.
I do agree with Curt's statement that the Synergistic demo was highly flawed. When I was by, they were running a delicate passage with no shielding, then stopped right before a bombastic passage and turned the shielding on and commented how much better the soundstaging was.
You don't run a demo that way... I walked out. I was there to hear the new Thiel's which sounded fantastic driven by the Bryston gear BTW.
Cheers,
I do agree with Curt's statement that the Synergistic demo was highly flawed. When I was by, they were running a delicate passage with no shielding, then stopped right before a bombastic passage and turned the shielding on and commented how much better the soundstaging was.
You don't run a demo that way... I walked out. I was there to hear the new Thiel's which sounded fantastic driven by the Bryston gear BTW.
Cheers,
watch the 'we' part. it's far from unanimous.
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I think we know good cable makes a difference.
watch the 'we' part. it's far from unanimous.
WE know that cable makes a difference. WE also know that tthere is lots of snake oil sales that convince people to buy things that do nothing. WE also know that the laws of physics are LAWS, they are not the general guidelines of physics. And if you claim to violate those laws, then there is a problem.
FYI: Bryston's response to my query as to why they'd share a booth with snake oil salesmen:
The show room was Theil's and they choose the cable company. I still consider exotic cables to be more marketing than science but we had no say in the other partners chosen.
The show room was Theil's and they choose the cable company. I still consider exotic cables to be more marketing than science but we had no say in the other partners chosen.
You are at CES. CES is a venue for the companies to convince you that their product IS the best and they will use any method to do so. Lying or strecthing the truth has always been a reliable form of marketing. I wouldn't expect too much facts from CES, just the ones I can make on my own.
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Originally Posted by Curt Palme /forum/post/0
FYI: Bryston's response to my query as to why they'd share a booth with snake oil salesmen:
The show room was Theil's and they choose the cable company. I still consider exotic cables to be more marketing than science but we had no say in the other partners chosen.
You are at CES. CES is a venue for the companies to convince you that their product IS the best and they will use any method to do so. Lying or strecthing the truth has always been a reliable form of marketing. I wouldn't expect too much facts from CES, just the ones I can make on my own.
I'm also sick of hearing marketing bs from firms hawking stupid cable, but that's the world we live in. People pay thousands to have Feng Shui specialists come into their homes to rearrange the furniture. It's actually kind of frightening to think of how much of our economy is produced by total bs.
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