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Biased but Interesting Article on Price Drops

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brjahu

Discussion Starter · Jan 13, 2008

http://www.techconsumer.com/2008/01/...arly-adopters/

I think it might be just a little biased... but I still enjoyed.

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JAC6

· #2 · Jan 13, 2008

It is biased, which is fine. It gets the facts wrong, which is not. Assuming he's talking about the current sale at Amazon, there are far more Blu-Ray titles on the list:

50 Percent off Select Blu-ray, HD DVD Discs at Amazon
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...at_Amazon/1365

In what may be the biggest high-def disc sale yet, Amazon is offering up to 57% off select Blu-ray and HD DVD discs. Both promos were launched this weekend by the web merchant, and includes hundreds of popular titles on both high-def disc formats. Among the229 Blu-ray discs included are such A-list titles as 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind,' 'Spider-Man - The High Definition Trilogy,' 'Superbad' and 'Casino Royale'. The list of 84 HD DVD titles includes such fan favorites as 'Transformers,' 'Stardust' and 'Serenity'. At press time there was no word on how long either deal would be offered by Amazon, though both are being billed as limited time offers.

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Hughmc

· #3 · Jan 13, 2008

Not only is it extremely biased, it is erroneous as well. Poor sales and over supply of product caused and will continue to cause price drops, not simply the format war itself. In terms of revenue dollars of CED items shipped, HD players were the number one in 2007, yet sales were poor. Supply high, demand low= price drops, economics 101 and NOT the format war.

elikhom

· #4 · Jan 13, 2008

Pretty bad article

Wendell R. Breland

· #5 · Jan 13, 2008

Nothing new here, when RCA pulled the plug on CED Video Disk the same thing happened to the players and disk.

This also happened to Laservideo disc. After the DVD started to establish itself, the price of Laservideo disc dropped to $5.00 and less (normal prices were $24.99 to $49.99)

RDarrylR

· #6 · Jan 13, 2008

What a load of crap. Why is it interesting? There isn't anything that is valid or new in it.

bosng

· #7 · Jan 13, 2008

the title is the most interesting part for me. nothing false about it. format war, product brought out too early for fear of

too much of a head start from competition. early adopters.....screwed even if you bought into the winning format.

that is if you didn't buy a ps3 which is still a compromise if you don't really care for a gaming machine vs a proper blu ray player.

theforce8686

· #8 · Jan 13, 2008

Now these are the threads that should be locked and deleted. It is not even speculation but just unfactual info.

Tes7769

· #9 · Jan 13, 2008

Why is it biased?Because it tells the truth about the risk of adopting BluRay early.The day is going to come soon when the features that current BR standalone owners "laugh off as fluff" are regularly included on BR movie discs and there's going to be ALOT of people that won't understand why their BR player cannot and will not be able to access them.Do any of you think that they are going to want to hear that in order to access those features they'll need to buy a new BR player or do without.

Regardless of whatever comes to pass in lew of recent events. at least HD-DVD has never hid anything or lied to the very consumer it was or is courting.In the BR consortium's eyes and in the eyes of most tech saavy BR early adopters a lie by omission isn't a lie just the same, at least when it concerns getting a possible leg up on the competition now and dealing with any repucussions later(when "they" won't be able to do anything about it).

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webdev511

· #10 · Jan 13, 2008

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Originally Posted by theforce8686 /forum/post/12802096

Now these are the threads that should be locked and deleted. It is not even speculation but just unfactual info.

Why don't you help the author out and correct his "un-facts". If you don't, people will just read it and believe it.

p0tempkin

· #11 · Jan 14, 2008

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Originally Posted by Tes7769 /forum/post/12802170

Why is it biased?Because it tells the truth about the risk of adopting BluRay early.

There are no repercussions when you're the only format in town. If they want to play the special features (PiP and internet connectivity) bad enough, they'll buy new players. Surveys show less than 5% of the market actually cares about those features anyway, so the risk of Blu-Ray angering any significant portion of their customer base is non-existent.

Everdog

· #12 · Jan 14, 2008

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Originally Posted by p0tempkin /forum/post/12803296

There are no repercussions when you're the only format in town. If they want to play the special features (PiP and internet connectivity) bad enough, they'll buy new players

??? No repercussions...you just ahve to buy a new player? That totally stinks. Oh, you want to do that? You have to buy a new player!

Also, I noticed that Blu-ray discs now have a disclaimer that you may have to wait 2-3 minutes to load a disc (check out the Rat movie). Taking a minute to boot I can understand, but then taking another feakin' 3 minutes after loading a disc? Clearly these players are not ready for the general public.

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Originally Posted by p0tempkin /forum/post/12803296

Surveys show less than 5% of the market actually cares about those features anyway...

Once Sony starts offering those features I am sure they will admit the percentage is higher. Also, since most people don't know what internet connectivity can do,for them you quoted surves are flawed.

I did a quick poll at the office and 10 out of 10 people said they would rather have access to current trailers from their discs rather than the old ones stamped on the disc. They all said they would probably watch them too.

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p0tempkin

· #13 · Jan 14, 2008

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Originally Posted by Everdog /forum/post/12803430

Also, since most people don't know what internet connectivity can do,for them you quoted surves are flawed.

Most people will never, ever connect their stand-alone player to the internet.

It's a simple risk assessment. All the Blu-Ray association has to do is calculate the number of people they might *possibly* alienate due to changing standards. If that number is high enough to affect their dominant position in the marketplace, they would take steps to resolve it. Obviously that number is small enough they can ignore it.

Everdog

· #14 · Jan 14, 2008

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Originally Posted by p0tempkin /forum/post/12803509

Most people will never, ever connect their stand-alone player to the internet.

Agreed. Most Blu stand-alone don't have Ethernet ports...but since 90+ percent of blu players are PS3s, I guess you could say most blu-ray owners WILL connect their players to the Interent.

Also, with all those darned FW updates needed to play discs, you could say most blu stand-alone owners WISH they could connect their players to the Internet.

For my 3 HDM players (one is a PS3), the first thing I did was connect it to the Internet for a FW update.

sivartk

· #15 · Jan 14, 2008

Since when do Amazon prices determine anything in the market. Last time I tried to walk into Amazon I hit my LCD screen

Most people will learn about the technology from walking into a store (where they may or may not get accurate information), then they may purchase on Amazon or may not purchase at all. I don't think Amazon pricing means anything to the majority of shoppers.

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sivartk

· #16 · Jan 14, 2008

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Originally Posted by Everdog /forum/post/12803430

I did a quick poll at the office and 10 out of 10 people said they would rather have access to current trailers from their discs rather than the old ones stamped on the disc. They all said they would probably watch them too.

Not saying your data is wrong, but it doesn't sound very scientific...especially if your workplace is Blockbuster or a movie studio, production company, etc. How many of them have routers and then would run a ethernet to their TV to just watch these trailers...that would be the more import stat

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kevivoe

· #17 · Jan 14, 2008

Everdog;12803430Also said:
Is this true? Is the sticker on the outside of the case or on the inside was the wrapper is removed?

chipvideo

· #18 · Jan 14, 2008

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Originally Posted by Everdog /forum/post/12803430

??? No repercussions...you just ahve to buy a new player? That totally stinks. Oh, you want to do that? You have to buy a new player!

Also, I noticed that Blu-ray discs now have a disclaimer that you may have to wait 2-3 minutes to load a disc (check out the Rat movie). Taking a minute to boot I can understand, but then taking another feakin' 3 minutes after loading a disc? Clearly these players are not ready for the general public.

Once Sony starts offering those features I am sure they will admit the percentage is higher. Also, since most people don't know what internet connectivity can do,for them you quoted surves are flawed.

I did a quick poll at the office and 10 out of 10 people said they would rather have access to current trailers from their discs rather than the old ones stamped on the disc. They all said they would probably watch them too.

I watched Castaway last night. It took 3 minutes at least to load. I was worried it wouldn't. That is crazy.

Nescio

· #19 · Jan 14, 2008

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Originally Posted by Everdog /forum/post/12803430

??? No repercussions...you just ahve to buy a new player? That totally stinks. Oh, you want to do that? You have to buy a new player!

Isn't that with all consumer technology these days? Standards evolve continuously. (Just look at the number of different connections the most recent TVs allow. It's just one long list of one standard improving over another.) You want the better standard? Then buy a new TV/receiver/player/camera/pc/gps/ .... And often the old products can still do the basic stuff (eg play movies) but not the newer stuff. Did all these HDTV owners get pissed when HDMI 1.3 got introduced? Should we have waited with introducing HDTV until the standards were finalized?

sivartk

· #20 · Jan 14, 2008

No, users didn't get upset with HDMI 1.3 because very little used it and very little uses it today.

I think it is something about buying a $300-$400 Blu-ray player today (January) that won't be able to play all of the features of a release that comes out in February that will tick people off. If it was 2-3 years from now, most wouldn't find it a big deal.

And even if you have an HDTV with only component inputs, you can still get an HD picture...unlike the players in which you can't use the features at all. There is a big difference between having to watch a 1080i HD image and not being able to play a feature period. A 720p TV will still show an HD image (maybe not the latest and greatest, but at least you still see something other than to watch this buy a new player)

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