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After searching (and not finding) a list of black levels for recent popular flat panel TVs, I figured I would make a handy list of my own that others could use too



I compiled measurements from various online reviews which I list beside the TV



Pioneer Plasma



4280(avsforum) 0.007fL

5080(avsforum) 0.006fL

5010(avsforum) 0.004fL

PRO 110(avsforum) 0.004fL

6020 (avsforum) 0.001fL

PRO 111 (avsforum) 0.001fL

PRO 101 (avsforum) 0.0005fL

PRO 141 (avsforum) 0.001fL

KRP 500M (avsforum) 0.0005fL



Panasonic Plasma



TC-42PX80(flatpanelshd) 0.037fL

TH-50PZ800U(Tom Huffman) 0.015fL

TC-P54V10(chadB) 0.007fL

G10(flatpanelshd) 0.0087fL

S2(chadB) 0.009fL

G20(chadB) 0.0083fL

50VT20(hdtvtest.co.uk) 0.0026fL

TH-65VX100U(hometheatermag) 0.005fL




Samsung Plasma



PN58B650(Tom Huffman) 0.012fL

PN50B860(hometheatermag) 0.020fL

PN50C7000(chadB) 0.026fL

PN58C8000(avsforum) 0.016fL

PN63C550(chadB) 0.011fL



Samsung LCD



LN55A950(hometheatermag) 0.003fL

LN52A750(Tom Huffman) 0.02fL

LN55B8000(Tom Huffman) 0.004fL

LN55B7000(hometheatermag) 0.002fL

UN55B8500(hometheatermag) 0.001fL

UNxxC5000(Tom Huffman) 0.006fL

UN40C6000(flatpanelshd) 0.0145fL

UN46C8000(hometheatermag) 0.001fL

UN40C650(hdtvtest.co.uk) 0.0086fL



LG Plasma



50PG60(hometheatermag) 0.033fL

60PS80(hometheatermag) 0.023fL

50PK550(chadB) 0.0132fL

50PK750(chadB) 0.026fL

50PK950(flatpanelshd) 0.0116fL



LG LCD



55LE8500(flatpanelshd)
 

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Thank you for posting this information all in one place. You might have mistyped one of the measurements and left out a 0, as I believe that Chad measured the Panasonic G20 at 0.0083 fL. Thanks again.
 

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Very nice. I am watching my new 101fd right now. Had it running five days now. .0005 huh? No way they are that high.
Looks more like .0000005
 

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Whats the difference between FL and cd/m^2 measurements? Your list says that FlatpanelsHD has the G10 with a measured .0087 black level. I went to FlatpanelsHD and looked everywhere. The only time they mentioned the black level reading was with a measurement of .03cd/m2. There was no mention of an updated measurement taken after voltage increase either.
 

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Whats the difference between FL and cd/m^2 measurements?

I don't know the exact conversion but FL seems to be the American measurement and cd/m^2 seems to be the European measurement of idle luminance. Check out this link for conversions.

http://www.unitconversion.org/lumina...onversion.html
 

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Originally Posted by KLee /forum/post/18659162


After searching (and not finding) a list of black levels for recent popular flat panel TVs, I figured I would make a handy list of my own that others could use too



I compiled measurements from various online reviews which I list beside the TV



Pioneer Plasma



4280(avsforum) 0.007fL

5080(avsforum) 0.006fL

5010(avsforum) 0.004fL

PRO 110(avsforum) 0.004fL

6020 (avsforum) 0.001fL

PRO 111 (avsforum) 0.001fL

PRO 101 (avsforum) 0.0005fL

PRO 141 (avsforum) 0.001fL

KRP 500M (avsforum) 0.0005fL



Panasonic Plasma



TC-42PX80(flatpanelshd) 0.037fL

TC-P54V10(chadB) 0.007fL

G10(flatpanelshd) 0.0087fL

S2(chadB) 0.09fL

G20(chadB) 0.083fL

TH-65VX100U(hometheatermag) 0.005fL



SONY LCD



52XBR4(hometheatermag) 0.029fL

Z5100(flatpanelhd) 0.0145fL

W5100(flatpanelshd) 0.026fL

NX700(flatpanelhd) 0.0145fL

XBR8(hometheatermag) 0.001fL



Sharp LCD



LC46D85U(hometheatermag) 0.037fL

LC52XS1U(hometheatermag) 0.001fL

LC-60E77UN(hometheatermag) 0.010fL

LE820(flatpanelshd) 0.0116fL



Samsung LCD



LN55A950(hometheatermag) 0.003fL

LN55B7000(hometheatermag) 0.002fL

LN40C6000(flatpanelshd) 0.0145fL

UN55B8500(hometheatermag) 0.001fL

UN46C8000(hometheatermag) 0.001fL


Samsung Plasma


PN50C7000(chadB) 0.026fL

PN50B860(hometheatermag) 0.020fL



LG Plasma



50PG60(hometheatermag) 0.033fL

60PS80(hometheatermag) 0.023fL

50PK550(chadB) 0.0132fL

50PK750(chadB) 0.026fL

50PK950(flatpanelshd) 0.0116fL



LG LCD



55LE8500(flatpanelshd)
 

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how can the panasonic g20 be lighter in blacks then sony LCD's. I think these measurements are flawed

I left out a "0" in the S2 and G20s measurements....they are fixed now
 

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So 4 of the samsung LCD TV's have lower blacks than the pioneer kuros? These measurements can't be right. hometheatermag is smokin some really good stuff. Had to of been to come up wit those numbers.
 

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So 4 of the samsung LCD TV's have lower blacks than the pioneer kuros? These measurements can't be right. hometheatermag is smokin some really good stuff. Had to of been to come up wit those numbers.

Two of those TVs, the A950 and the B8500 are highly regarded local dimming LCDs (along with the Sony XBR8)....


These tvs have a massive following precisley because they have super dark black levels and it shouldn't surprise anyone that they MEASURE as good as a Kuro(notice I didn't say they PERFORMED as well as a Kuro)....the other two are edge LEDs but the C8000 should also measure very dark with its quasi-local "pinpoint dimming" feature




PS I also added the Panny VT20 to the list...check out the number
 

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I left out a "0" in the S2 and G20s measurements....they are fixed now

You should also move the Samsung and LG PLASMA TVs up so they're located below the Panasonics, instead of burying them in the LCD section
 

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So 4 of the samsung LCD TV's have lower blacks than the pioneer kuros? These measurements can't be right. hometheatermag is smokin some really good stuff. Had to of been to come up wit those numbers.

My thoughts exactly. .002FL for a B7000? Doesnt sound right at all to me.
 

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That's because those LCDs are able to completely shut off all backlight for a full black screen, which is what is used for those measurements. However, when faced with a real picture the blacks and shadow definition are a different story.


Don't get caught thinking that these numbers are the be all and end all of good picture quality.
 

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That's because those LCDs are able to completely shut off all backlight for a full black screen, which is what is used for those measurements.


You'd have thought a dedicated home theatre mag wouldn't make such an amateur mistake.


Actually, no, you wouldn't.
 

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hdtvtest.co.uk measured the 40" C650 non-led model w/o any dimming technique to have 0.03 cd/m^2 black level (0.0086 fL). That's good for a midrange LCD.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsu...0100506527.htm


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The Samsung LE40C650's black level is incredibly deep for an LCD TV, and serves as a stark reminder that not all SPVA LCD panels are built equal. The effects of the high quality LCD panel and the glossy coating, which Samsung refers to as Ultra Clear Panel, are readily apparent in the image when compared to several competing LCDs. Samsung's display has, for an LCD, an exceptional amount of contrast and perceived depth.

We measured the calibrated black level on the Samsung LE40C650 HDTV to be a deep 0.03 cd/m2. This is a fantastic result which is in line with the best (non-local-dimming) LCD TVs we've reviewed, and it means that even in a darkened room, Samsung's TV produces satisfying blacks
 
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