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Well - my third Blu-ray title has now died!!! Went to watch The Ninth Gate last night and even though it played fine last year - it will not load any of my players (Oppo - PS3 or Panny). In fact, I get the "No Disc" reading from my Oppo and the PS3 just spins and spins and then gives up trying to read the disc. Lionsgate disc rot has struck again!!! (previous Lionsgate title that rotted on me were the first versions of Total Recall & Stargate). Sigh
 

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Anyone else experiencing problems with bluray or dvd titles not playing, when they originally did?


So far none of my bluray but have had them only since December '12.....but am going back through all of my Universal Monster Legacy dvd18's, aka flipper discs to see if they still work, after the Son of Dracula title from Dracula Legacy set now freezes and skips on both my new Panasonic BDT320, or my older reliable Sony NS77H dvd player.


Contacted Univ about it and they are sending a copy of the double feature, single disc, Son of Dracula/Dracula's Daughter as a replacement.


I told them that it may take some time, but am reviewing every Legacy and Lugosi Collection flipper discs to see if they still play ok.


With the history of trouble with the flipper discs, and the fact that Legacy sets are out of stock, the only replacementnts are the dvd-9, single disc double feature titles....except if your Invisible Man Legacy set goes bad, there are no double feature disc replacements, as these sequels have only been put in the Legacy series....same for House of Dracula.
 

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I see these edge nicks on some discs, they are somewhat common.


Will they lead to rot?

 

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DVDs and Laserdiscs rotted because those discs were constructed by gluing two thin layers together. CDs and BDs just use one thick layer; no glue. So, there should be no rotting on those. However, BDs have a scratch protective coating on them, so perhaps that's what's causing the rotting???? Very odd how BDs can go bad, especially since the format is new and still in its infancy stage.
 

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Still in its infancy... hardly. BD has been on the market for seven years next month. Now I haven't gone back and examined many of my older titles but every optical format has had some issues with failure. I wouldn't worry that a vast a majority of titles will fail but some will probably fail due to manufacturing defects.
 

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More Early Titles In My Collection have Now Failed

I've posted some of these titles before but my running total of "rotted" (or if that term offends"Failed") discs that played fine previously but cannot get to playall the way to the end on multiple Blu-ray players of various brands has grown:

Stargate (original version - Lions Gate);
Ninth Gate (Lions Gate);
Total Recall (original release of original version - Lions Gate).
Rambo III from the original Rambo set (Lions Gate);
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (Fox);
Speed (Fox);
Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl (Disney)
 

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I've posted some of these titles before but my running total of "rotted" (or if that term offends"Failed") discs that played fine previously but cannot get to playall the way to the end on multiple Blu-ray players of various brands has grown:

Stargate (original version - Lions Gate);
Ninth Gate (Lions Gate);
Total Recall (original release of original version - Lions Gate).
Rambo III from the original Rambo set (Lions Gate);
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (Fox);
Speed (Fox);
Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl (Disney)
My Silver Surfer still plays fine...
Where have you got yours stored ?
Have you tried washing the discs off with Dawn and using a micro-fibre cloth ?
Depending on how there stored and what your environment is like, they can get a film on them that will keep them from being read.
 

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My Silver Surfer still plays fine...
Where have you got yours stored ?
Have you tried washing the discs off with Dawn and using a micro-fibre cloth ?
Depending on how there stored and what your environment is like, they can get a film on them that will keep them from being read.
All of the disc surfaces are clean and unblemished. I tried to wipe from inner ring outward using a lint free microfiber cloth that I picked up solely to clean DVDs and Blu-rays, but still have same problem. I will try your suggestion washing with Dawn although I am not very hopeful. Has this worked for you in the past?


I store all my discs in their original blu-ray cases, standing vertically on a shelf in a large storage closet in my home. I have a large collection and I recently decided to check out discs that I had previously read in threads like this one of certain titles that had gone bad. This is my running tally should anyone else decide to check if they had a similar problem with their discs.


The discs that won't load at all: Total Recall; Ninth Gate; Stargate
The discs that play until a certain point and then freeze with pixilation are: Rambo III; Pirates of the Caribbean; Rise of the Silver Surfer; Speed
 

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All of the disc surfaces are clean and unblemished. I tried to wipe from inner ring outward using a lint free microfiber cloth that I picked up solely to clean DVDs and Blu-rays, but still have same problem. I will try your suggestion washing with Dawn although I am not very hopeful. Has this worked for you in the past?


I store all my discs in their original blu-ray cases, standing vertically on a shelf in a large storage closet in my home. I have a large collection and I recently decided to check out discs that I had previously read in threads like this one of certain titles that had gone bad. This is my running tally should anyone else decide to check if they had a similar problem with their discs.


The discs that won't load at all: Total Recall; Ninth Gate; Stargate
The discs that play until a certain point and then freeze with pixilation are: Rambo III; Pirates of the Caribbean; Rise of the Silver Surfer; Speed
Some of the rental discs are really dirty, so I wash them off in Dawn.
Many of the bran new ones I have, has had this film on them where I've had to wash them off in order to get them to play.
I use Dawn because there is no ammonia in it, like Palmolive for example.

I keep my collection in an old linen closet lying flat in piles, so I would say you look after your collection better then mine.
I don't wipe mine with any cloths of any kind though, I never found it necessary, they are either in the machine or in their case.

I've had problems in the past with playability, but it's always turned out to be a dirty laser.
I've taken my machine(s) apart many times to clean the lens.
 

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I've had CD's aluminum reflective layer eaten by bacteria.
 

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Some of the rental discs are really dirty, so I wash them off in Dawn.
Many of the bran new ones I have, has had this film on them where I've had to wash them off in order to get them to play.
I use Dawn because there is no ammonia in it, like Palmolive for example.

I keep my collection in an old linen closet lying flat in piles, so I would say you look after your collection better then mine.
I don't wipe mine with any cloths of any kind though, I never found it necessary, they are either in the machine or in their case.

I've had problems in the past with playability, but it's always turned out to be a dirty laser.
I've taken my machine(s) apart many times to clean the lens.

I've tried on multiple players (Oppo, Ps3 and Samsung) all with same results. BTW - this isn't an all of sudden issue. The titles listed are my running totals. The three recent losses were Rambo III, Rise of the Silver Surfer and Pirates of the Caribbean. The others happened between 2-3 years ago.
 

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How many titles would they sell if they included the caveat: "may not play after 2 years"?
Isn't that pretty much the same as the Digital Copy & Ultra Violet?

Eventually they expire within a few years.. so much for cloud storage, just hand the Keys to Uncle Bill & let him drive! :D

As most DVD's come in a black box shielding the disc from light, where Blurays are in a translucent box, my discs are in boxes (reason why I can't find anything), but I thought of bringing them out to shelving, any concerns for light affecting or accelerating this process? (Would always keep the boxes out of direct sunlight anyway)
 

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Isn't that pretty much the same as the Digital Copy & Ultra Violet?

Eventually they expire within a few years.. so much for cloud storage, just hand the Keys to Uncle Bill & let him drive! :D

As most DVD's come in a black box shielding the disc from light, where Blurays are in a translucent box, my discs are in boxes (reason why I can't find anything), but I thought of bringing them out to shelving, any concerns for light affecting or accelerating this process? (Would always keep the boxes out of direct sunlight anyway)
They are migrating away from translucent blue boxes, some titles are now coming in black boxes both regular Blu Ray releases such Star Wars: The Force Awakens and Blu Ray-4k Blu Ray combo packs such Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice. With HD-DVD gone we don't need color coded boxes anymore, just a nice shiny black will do. :)
 

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Some of the rental discs are really dirty, so I wash them off in Dawn.
Many of the bran new ones I have, has had this film on them where I've had to wash them off in order to get them to play.
I use Dawn because there is no ammonia in it, like Palmolive for example.

I keep my collection in an old linen closet lying flat in piles, so I would say you look after your collection better then mine.
I don't wipe mine with any cloths of any kind though, I never found it necessary, they are either in the machine or in their case.

I've had problems in the past with playability, but it's always turned out to be a dirty laser.
I've taken my machine(s) apart many times to clean the lens.
Dawn is an effective degreaser, yet gentle. They really do use it for bird rescue from oil spills.
 

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Some of the rental discs are really dirty, so I wash them off in Dawn.
Many of the bran new ones I have, has had this film on them where I've had to wash them off in order to get them to play.
I use Dawn because there is no ammonia in it, like Palmolive for example.

I don't wipe mine with any cloths of any kind though, I never found it necessary, they are either in the machine or in their case.

I've had problems in the past with playability, but it's always turned out to be a dirty laser.
I've taken my machine(s) apart many times to clean the lens.
Never understood the human stupidity to have the "need" to touch (on purpose) the surface of the disc, & have seen others take a disc out of it's box & wipe it across their shirt out of some habit :confused:. Noted Blue Rays are much less prone to scratch. Machines used to ruin tapes, where people mess up the discs.

I use 70% iso Alcohol, & lightly with a cotton ball, & attampt to do a shake dry & have a very soft cloth to absorb the remaining drops if needed.... you're right, there never should be a need to ever clean a disc if treated properly.

I had the occasional dirty laser too, the laser cleaning disc in that case may not help at all... not sure what causes that, but poping the top & hand cleaning the laser worked wonders a couple times for me. (70% alcohol & a Q tip).

They are migrating away from translucent blue boxes, some titles are now coming in black boxes both regular Blu Ray releases such Star Wars: The Force Awakens and Blu Ray-4k Blu Ray combo packs such Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice. With HD-DVD gone we don't need color coded boxes anymore, just a nice shiny black will do. :)
I see the 4K boxes are are black, but one thing I noted this weekend actually these new "Eco" boxes that they are using (the solid ones) have become so thin they now pass light... another thing I don't understand, they create a medium that should last a lifetime, but package it is such a flimsy way, it can get destroyed in normal use.

I kinda like the blue boxes, but always thought they should be a deeper shade of blue..... A few of my recent Blu-Rays have been packaged in a clear box. It was just a thought that light can become a problem for discs.
 

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It reminds me of a time a while ago, renting from Rebox and seeing all the fingerprints on the discs when I got them. I called redbox one day, and asked them "do you guys ever clean the discs once they have been out for a time". He said, "no, they are never cleaned." Nice! little gleaming blu-ray petri dishes for my Oppo. One thing I always try to do when renting them is to get them on the first day. That way I am the first to use it and I also do not leave prints on it for someone to Csi lift it and plant my print at the scene of a crime, just for fun.:)
 

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It reminds me of a time a while ago, renting from Rebox and seeing all the fingerprints on the discs when I got them. I called redbox one day, and asked them "do you guys ever clean the discs once they have been out for a time". He said, "no, they are never cleaned." Nice! little gleaming blu-ray petri dishes for my Oppo. One thing I always try to do when renting them is to get them on the first day. That way I am the first to use it and I also do not leave prints on it for someone to Csi lift it and plant my print at the scene of a crime, just for fun.:)
I just tried to play my blu ray of the Ninth Gate. I have watched this disc maybe 2 times before and it played perfectly.
Now it wont play in any blu ray player at all!
My Oppo, my Sony and my PC.
The disc is simply not recognized by any of those players.
Yet the disc looks perfect and has just been in the case on the shelf in controlled conditions since the day I bought it.
It must be disc rot.
 

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I just tried to play my blu ray of the Ninth Gate. I have watched this disc maybe 2 times before and it played perfectly.
Now it wont play in any blu ray player at all!
My Oppo, my Sony and my PC.
The disc is simply not recognized by any of those players.
Yet the disc looks perfect and has just been in the case on the shelf in controlled conditions since the day I bought it.
It must be disc rot.
Any disc here goes to spinning metal or a digital cloud service redemption before it's put in storage out back straight away and never played or never played more than once here anyway outside of RedBox Rentals :p


If the disc has a poor chemical formulation or materials composition in the reflective metal layers or the plastic or the label side they will croak prematurely and a lot of the replicators are offshore with variable quality now.

All that makes a good argument for assignable transferable digital rights :)
 

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It reminds me of a time a while ago, renting from Rebox and seeing all the fingerprints on the discs when I got them. I called redbox one day, and asked them "do you guys ever clean the discs once they have been out for a time". He said, "no, they are never cleaned." Nice! little gleaming blu-ray petri dishes for my Oppo. One thing I always try to do when renting them is to get them on the first day. That way I am the first to use it and I also do not leave prints on it for someone to Csi lift it and plant my print at the scene of a crime, just for fun.:)
I always inspect any rental from any source before insertion ..

Many, if not all, will laugh, however, I have had good success with WD40 and DVD's / Blu Rays .. and, it's helped with my vinyl for years ..
 
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