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Blu-ray Is Doomed

May 10, 2006

By Lance Ulanoff, PC Magazine


Blu-ray is doomed. I came to this conclusion shortly after reading John Dvorak's thoughtful dissection of the HD DVD versus Blu-ray imbroglio. It was right on the money in all ways but one: Dvorak didn't anoint a winner; he thinks it'll take a couple of years to shake out. I think he's wrong.


I didn't always feel this way about the high-def wars. HD DVD and Blu-ray are, in some ways, so similar that I assumed no self-respecting consumer would notice or care about the minute differences. Both store on a dual-layer disc between 45 and 50GB of data. Both will offer enhanced end-user interaction. Both, but especially Blu-ray, will offer improved content protection (no copies, please). But as the fracture between the HD DVD-ites and Blu-ray-ees continued, I realized that consumers would be forced to make a choice.


Most of my coworkers and fellow tech watchers handicap the race at dead even. Each technology has suffered its own series of setbacks and delays. The players are only just now arriving, and content is virtually nonexistent. They also see good chances for big HD content success because people have been buying HD TV sets for years, with little good content to play on them. This is only partially true. While HD sets have been around for years, early devices were inordinately expensive, and HD TV stations began showing up only in the past two years. I'd argue that 2005 was the breakthrough year for HD sets. So while demand for HD content may be pent up, there aren't that many consumers in the pen.


Late last month, Toshiba finally shipped the very first HD DVD drive. From what I hear, the first run was in the thousands. Those players disappeared almost instantly. I guess those 10,000 consumers also bought all six of the HD DVD titles available from Warner and Universal. This does not sound like a resounding success.


But let's look at Blu-ray. Sony's first players (from Samsung, Toshiba, and others) have yet to arrive. There still isn't even one publicly available Blu-ray content disc. In mid-May, Sony announced that we wouldn't see any until late June. This is, ostensibly, to synchronize the release with the availability of those first players. That's a pretty flimsy reason. Warner is smart enough to know that it can sneak HD DVD content into the hands of consumers by burning it onto the back of regular DVD discs. Dvorak noted in his column that Blu-ray technology can't achieve this same feat (not without jumping through some significant technical hurdles). Even so, the first HD DVD discs are not hybrids, so what's really holding back the Blu-ray content?


Perhaps Sony is stuck on the "chicken and egg" concept. Which comes first: the players or the content? In a horse race like this, you take both the chickens and eggs and throw them at consumers. Holding anything back is a huge mistake on Sony's (and its partners) part.


Still, others expect Sony and Blu-ray to pull the rabbit out of the hat with one critical hardware release: The PlayStation 3.


As most people know by now, the PS3 will feature a built-in Blu-ray drive. It was originally slated for a spring ship, but was pulled back when Sony ran into Blu-ray delivery problems. Now we expect to see the eagerly anticipated gaming console in the fall. Dvorak also made this point, but he's less certain of the PS3's success. I'm not. The PS3 will be a blockbuster. Early supplies will sell out. And these gamers will, by default, get a brand new Blu-ray drive.


Gamers already expect a lot from their consoles, so the "extra interaction" Blu-ray offers may not mean much to them. But the PS3's success will not help Blu-ray win in the marketplace. This is because Sony's aiming at the wrong target audience.


HD DVD and Blu-ray will achieve success only if they reach critical mass in the general consumer marketplace. The gaming market is not the general market. The vast majority of consumers who watch DVDs and even own HD sets are not 12- to 25-year-old die-hard gamers. Instead, they're 25- to 55-year-old adults with children who have better things to do than play games.


To be fair, HD DVD and Blu-ray both face a similar uphill battle; consumers are not itching to replace or upgrade their current DVDs or DVD players. It will take a huge marketing and education effort to make consumers understand why they want either standard. Experiencing HD movies will help, but for the next two months, they'll be able to do this only with HD DVD. In our lightning-fast, high-tech world, two months is like the first two lengths of a four-length horse race. Can Blue-ray catch up? I don't think so.


Copyright (c) 2006 Ziff Davis Media Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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"HD DVD and Blu-ray ... Both store on a dual-layer disc between 45 and 50GB of data."


O.O


Jeesh, I am finding it hard to appreciate his message with such a gaping error. Don't these respectable publications have "fact checkers" before stuff gets released?
That was filled with so many errors that all I can do is shake my head in disbelief. I particularly like how, according to this idiot, there will be Blu-ray players from Toshiba! :eek: Gosh, I sure didn't know that one! I also had no idea that no one over 25 plays videogames. I guess I don't exist! :eek: I didn't know THAT either!


What a knob.


Jon
what an idiot. just this part of his statement is DUH??


"Perhaps Sony is stuck on the "chicken and egg" concept. Which comes first: the players or the content? In a horse race like this, you take both the chickens and eggs and throw them at consumers. Holding anything back is a huge mistake on Sony's (and its partners) part."


well let's see, Sony PS3 will be 1 year behind the xbox360 but for it he claims it will be a blockbuster success.


sony and partners are not holdng back they will come out at same time with hardware and BR movies, no reason to have BR movies without a player and no reason to have the player without BR movies.


he is a confused jerk idiot.
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No need to call the original poster names. This battle will take a couple years at least. Most people buying won't care or won't know the technological differences of the formats as most people still don't know the difference between a CD and a DVD. It is smart to couple HD-DVD movies with SD-DVD's and is something to be considered as a win for HD-DVD's side in the short term during the transition phase. The PS3 will have an impact in the format race, however with such a high price tag for the PS3 and its games, if it does well at all since stock prices fell dramatically at the backlash of the announced PS3 price at E3. I'm making the general assumption that the money left over for people spending close to a thousand dollars on a PS3, a few games, and a controller as well as HDMI cable, won't be used to buy Blu-Ray discs for the most since many parents will be broke, as well as many young adults in college. I hope the Blu-Ray camp wins since I like to see High Def using up the full potential and highest bitrates possible on future dual layer Blu-Ray discs. However prices need to fall fast in order for them to win in the long run.
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Just the estimate that the 10,000 people who bought players (a number which is three times as high as I'm hearing of what's actually been sold to consumers) bought all six movies is a joke. Plenty of people probably bought one or none and are relying on netflix to see things.
I am average consumer , i have 9 hd dvd movies. i was a blue rayer before now i am firmly entrenched with hd dvd. It is stunning.
I don't know about others but I find myself coming here less and less because of all the FUD about BD. It's just ridiculous.
I agree with the author that the gaming strategy is a virtual dead-end in the format war, but his conclusions seem to be based on the assumption that the PS3 is the primary (or even sole) weapon that BD has in its arsenal.


The whole "throw chickens and eggs out and delay nothing" argument makes no sense. These aren't chickens and eggs, they're CPUs and monitors - one is pointless without the other. People (undecideds) will not buy BD software without a player, and if they are waiting for both units to be available to compare, the last thing you want is for your player to have no software available at the time the format decision is made by consumers.


It's too soon for predictions (accurate ones), and to suggest that:
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"In our lightning-fast, high-tech world, two months is like the first two lengths of a four-length horse race. Can Blue-ray catch up? I don't think so."
........ is ridiculous. If the first 10k - 15k units sold will decide the winner of the war, then both formats are destined for failure.
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........ is ridiculous. If the first 10k - 15k units sold will decide the winner of the war, then both formats are destined for failure.
No kidding. Neither side has really done any advertising and most of the sales are expected in Q4 anyway. When both sides get their marketing departments in gear and actually get consumers to know what's going on then things will be far more interesting. All of this is pre-show for the hardcore folks.


When Toshiba partners up their players with DLP sets in the fall and Sony et all launch their big blu-ray umbrella set of advertising then we'll see what's going on.
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I don't know about others but I find myself coming here less and less because of all the FUD about BD. It's just ridiculous.
I couldn't agree with you more and I know others agree with us as well.


It's the same handful of people doing it repeatedly but of course nothing is ever done about it. I can submit the names if anyone wants me to, but I think everyone knows who they are by now.
There's plenty of FUD to spread around really. I'm invested in both formats but it's impossible to get good information about either at this point outside of a few folks who I trust to post accurate information. I'm less interested in the chatter about BD at the moment because it's all pointless until we get hardware and software now but trying to get objective info on HD DVD is even more pointless because the cheerleaders are drowning out the useful information.
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There's plenty of FUD to spread around really. I'm invested in both formats but it's impossible to get good information about either at this point outside of a few folks who I trust to post accurate information. I'm less interested in the chatter about BD at the moment because it's all pointless until we get hardware and software now but trying to get objective info on HD DVD is even more pointless because the cheerleaders are drowning out the useful information.


You got it.
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That was filled with so many errors that all I can do is shake my head in disbelief.
Agreed. I won't even bother to make a comment about this rubbish article.
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I'm invested in both formats


I'm less interested in the chatter about BD at the moment because it's all pointless until we get hardware and software now but trying to get objective info on HD DVD is even more pointless because the cheerleaders are drowning out the useful information.
What is there to get though with HD-DVD? You go buy a player and disc's, hook it up and draw all of your own conclusions from first hand knowledge. There aren't any midgets in the unit waiting to pop-out randomly at users and say "Surprise!"
Info on... future models, new releases, authoring changes, actual HD extras, etc etc etc? Pricing to come down to a point where non-hollywood studios can get into it easily enough?


Just because the Toshiba player is here doesn't mean that's endgame.
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Info on... future models, new releases, authoring changes, actual HD extras, etc etc etc? Pricing to come down to a point where non-hollywood studios can get into it easily enough?


Just because the Toshiba player is here doesn't mean that's endgame.


Well said!
Where are the Troll police when you need them? :(
Ohnoes, players for blu-ray aren't out yet so it's dead!
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