[mkedda]

Is there a bluray player that does not crush blacks???


From what I can tell both TMT3 and PowerDVD use the overlay renderer to display an image on the screen. So the levels are different than EVR. ON top of this they expand from video to pc levels by default!!


I want a player that will just play the damn video without f'in with it.


Is such a software BD player exist?

 

[jong1]

PDVD for sure does not use Overlay. You can see that by connecting to its graph. With PDVD and ATI at least it is quite possible to display Blu-ray at the correct levels. With recent ATI drivers you also get BTB and WTW (earlier drivers clipped off BTB).

 

[mkedda]

Does PDVD in disc mode act differently than TMT3 in disc mode?

 

[sotti]

It's also a driver issue.


An nvidia card, you can go into the nv control panel and tell it you want video levels and get video levels (with BTB).


I've never seen a Blu-Ray play that crushes blacks though, they simply expand them to the desktop levels, wich is what you want as a piece of PC software (at least as the default out of the box behavior).

 

[mkedda]

sotti,


I thought with nvidia they had issues with the disc mode as well?

 

[mkedda]

so, would it be safe to say that the best option to output video levels would be to let the players expand to 0-255 and have the video compress to 16-235 at the video card level via pixel format settings?

 

[jong1]

Yes. And now, somehow, BTB/WTW is preserved through this process.

 

[tsb]

tmt3 uses evr by default as well I think

 

[daMaster]



Quote:
Originally Posted by jong1 /forum/post/18166374


Yes. And now, somehow, BTB/WTW is preserved through this process.

Really? Since when? I'm still running ATI 9.6, never bothered upgrading since it was stable.

 

[sotti]



Quote:
Originally Posted by mkedda /forum/post/18166189


so, would it be safe to say that the best option to output video levels would be to let the players expand to 0-255 and have the video compress to 16-235 at the video card level via pixel format settings?

Yes that is the easiest, most consistent way to handle this.

 

[mkedda]



Quote:
Originally Posted by tsb /forum/post/18166403


tmt3 uses evr by default as well I think

not in disc mode.

 

[jong1]



Quote:
Originally Posted by daMaster /forum/post/18166561


Really? Since when? I'm still running ATI 9.6, never bothered upgrading since it was stable.

Not sure myself. i only upgraded from 9.2 when I got my 5750. But definitely with 10.1 and greater, at least with 5xxx series.

 

[jong1]



Quote:
Originally Posted by mkedda /forum/post/18167263


not in disc mode.

Are you sure? People thought PDVD used overlay for a long while because they couldn't take screenshots. But it definitely uses EVR - Graphs and Reclock agree.

 

[tsb]



Quote:
Originally Posted by mkedda /forum/post/18167263


not in disc mode.

I assume my isos are playing in disk mode and they are playing back in evr

 

[mkedda]

it has been confirmed that both PowerDVD and TMT3 playback discs differently than individual files. You can confirm this by doing the following.


One search levels wizard to find a link to upsilon software.


Two search AVS calibration and download the mp4 file and the bd disc. Playing the disc and the mp4 file in teh same player will yield different results in the black level and contrast settings.

 

[jong1]



Quote:
Originally Posted by mkedda /forum/post/18167974


it has been confirmed that both PowerDVD and TMT3 playback discs differently than individual files. You can confirm this by doing the following. One search levels wizard to find a link to upsilon software. Two search AVS calibration and download the mp4 file and the bd disc. Playing the disc and the mp4 file in teh same player will yield different results in the black level and contrast settings.

They use differerent graphs for sure but PDVD uses EVR for Blu-ray discs.

 

[Rathbone]



Quote:
Originally Posted by jong1 /forum/post/18168224


They use differerent graphs for sure but PDVD uses EVR for Blu-ray discs.

TMT3 does too. Easy way to confirm: Rename VideoRendererEVR.ax to something else and you won't be able to play anything. On the other hand renaming VideoRendererVMR.ax doesn't affect playback at all. So TMT3 has to use EVR.