Early information for early titles seems to be DD5.1 with MPEG-2 on BD25. Some early titles may feature uncompressed audio tracks but this is pending confirmation as to whether the tracks will find themselves on the final product.
BR movies announced specs?
Is there any specs announced yet of the BR movies for preorder at several warehouses?
I wouldn't like to preorder a tittle blindly without knowing if there will be DTS HD or DOLBY TRUE HD included in this editions.
I wouldn't like to preorder a tittle blindly without knowing if there will be DTS HD or DOLBY TRUE HD included in this editions.
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I hope this doesn't turn out like SD dvds were the vast majority are only 5.1. I want them to at least be 6.1 as the standard and 7.1 if possible.
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Prepare for disappointment then. As far as I know, there hasn't been a single release yet in 7.1 on HD DVD... and it's just as unlikely with BD... Frankly, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to do more than 5.1 until DD+ 7.1 can become the norm, and it will likely take SD DVD being phased out for that to happen.
You'll probably see a few showcase titles in 7.1, but most likley in numbers relative to the appearance of 6.1 titles on SD DVD.
| Originally Posted by ay221 I hope this doesn't turn out like SD dvds were the vast majority are only 5.1. I want them to at least be 6.1 as the standard and 7.1 if possible. |
You'll probably see a few showcase titles in 7.1, but most likley in numbers relative to the appearance of 6.1 titles on SD DVD.
I don't want DD+ to become the norm, I want either Dolby TrueHD lossless or DTS-HD Master Audio lossless to be the norm. Both support 8 discrete channels of 24/96 audio.
Down with lossy!!!
Dan
Down with lossy!!!
Dan
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But, there's NO excuse not to have DD+ in the meantime. I'm surprised more Blu-ray fans aren't compaining about a lack of DD+.
| Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman I don't want DD+ to become the norm, I want either Dolby TrueHD lossless or DTS-HD Master Audio lossless to be the norm. Both support 8 discrete channels of 24/96 audio. Down with lossy!!! Dan |
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But its ok for toshiba to only have 2 channel tru-hd????
| Originally Posted by DavidHir But, there's NO excuse not to have DD+ in the meantime. I'm surprised more Blu-ray fans aren't compaining about a lack of DD+. |
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I'm surprised more HD-DVD fans aren't compaining about that.
| Originally Posted by kevinca1 But its ok for toshiba to only have 2 channel tru-hd???? |
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it's a feature, it helps discredit the idiots from the rest. If someone posts " I watched the movie in trueHD" you know they don't have anything intelligent to add to the conversation 
only an idiot will think 2 channel higher quality is better then 5.1 at todays quality
| I'm surprised more HD-DVD fans aren't compaining about that. |
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I see this as a start. At least the first players have something new audio-wise. BR's first players are only DD, DTS, LPCM decoding right? I'm thinking HD-DVD will get full on-board decoding before BR, once HD-DVD players have reached that it's going to be incredibly hard for me to wait for BR to get serious.
| Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ I'm surprised more HD-DVD fans aren't compaining about that. |
so compressed and lossy that gets uncompressed in the player and sent as LPCM is better then putting the LPCM directly on the disk?
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Hmmm...
So HD DVD should be knocked because all the titles released in the US so far have DD+ tracks, while it seems the BD titles will be mostly only DD.
And therefore HD DVD should be knocked because some titles also include TruHD 5.1 tracks (which the players currently only play two channels of) while BD can't even start to get to DD+, yet?
And when DD+ is finally included on one or two BD movies, the players can only do 0.0 playback (as in none).
Yes, I can see why HD DVD owners would really care about that
| Originally Posted by kevinca1 But its ok for toshiba to only have 2 channel tru-hd???? |
Hmmm...
So HD DVD should be knocked because all the titles released in the US so far have DD+ tracks, while it seems the BD titles will be mostly only DD.
And therefore HD DVD should be knocked because some titles also include TruHD 5.1 tracks (which the players currently only play two channels of) while BD can't even start to get to DD+, yet?
And when DD+ is finally included on one or two BD movies, the players can only do 0.0 playback (as in none).
Yes, I can see why HD DVD owners would really care about that
rdjam,
You're only basing Blu-Ray releases on Sony (and they have said some will include uncompressed LPCM tracks, though I personally don't understand using MPEG-2 and 25 GB... I'll agree that it's nuts).
No one, not even you has an idea what the other studios plan on doing for their Blu-Ray titles (some insiders may, but I bet they can't tell). For all you, or I, or anyone else knows they'll do MPEG-4 HP or VC-1 and use TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio or even uncompressed LPCM (if there's room on the disc this is the best way to do audio anyway). They could even do mostly 50 GB discs.
It's all going to be a surprise.
Dan
You're only basing Blu-Ray releases on Sony (and they have said some will include uncompressed LPCM tracks, though I personally don't understand using MPEG-2 and 25 GB... I'll agree that it's nuts).
No one, not even you has an idea what the other studios plan on doing for their Blu-Ray titles (some insiders may, but I bet they can't tell). For all you, or I, or anyone else knows they'll do MPEG-4 HP or VC-1 and use TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio or even uncompressed LPCM (if there's room on the disc this is the best way to do audio anyway). They could even do mostly 50 GB discs.
It's all going to be a surprise.
Dan
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Hi Dan - yes I agree that some studio decisions can't be guessed at.
But my post was actually addressing things we already know - such as the factthat even if DD+ is included on BD releases by the studios, that the users will only get DD audio from them.
| Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman rdjam, You're only basing Blu-Ray releases on Sony (and they have said some will include uncompressed LPCM tracks, though I personally don't understand using MPEG-2 and 25 GB... I'll agree that it's nuts). No one, not even you has an idea what the other studios plan on doing for their Blu-Ray titles (some insiders may, but I bet they can't tell). For all you, or I, or anyone else knows they'll do MPEG-4 HP or VC-1 and use TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio or even uncompressed LPCM (if there's room on the disc this is the best way to do audio anyway). They could even do mostly 50 GB discs. It's all going to be a surprise. Dan |
But my post was actually addressing things we already know - such as the factthat even if DD+ is included on BD releases by the studios, that the users will only get DD audio from them.
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There are no surpirses here, unfortunately.
Ask yourself this:
-- Why have no non-MPEG-2 titles been floated? (I don't think I'm letting the cat out of the bag by noting that all in process BD titles from SPHE, MGM, LG and WHV are MPEG-2)
-- Why did WHV have to use MPEG-2 for their BD release titles, despite having VC-1 encoded masters ready to go?
-- Why have neither Fox nor Disney formally committed to any titles in this era of BD25 and MPEG-2?
The BDA needs to do less resting and more testing. They're behind the curve, and they need to catch up. And quickly.
| Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman No one, not even you has an idea what the other studios plan on doing for their Blu-Ray titles (some insiders may, but I bet they can't tell). For all you, or I, or anyone else knows they'll do MPEG-4 HP or VC-1 and use TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio or even uncompressed LPCM (if there's room on the disc this is the best way to do audio anyway). They could even do mostly 50 GB discs. It's all going to be a surprise. |
Ask yourself this:
-- Why have no non-MPEG-2 titles been floated? (I don't think I'm letting the cat out of the bag by noting that all in process BD titles from SPHE, MGM, LG and WHV are MPEG-2)
-- Why did WHV have to use MPEG-2 for their BD release titles, despite having VC-1 encoded masters ready to go?
-- Why have neither Fox nor Disney formally committed to any titles in this era of BD25 and MPEG-2?
The BDA needs to do less resting and more testing. They're behind the curve, and they need to catch up. And quickly.
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So TW won't have VC-1 discs for the "second wave" as per David's post inferred?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post7733959
| Originally Posted by amillians There are no surpirses here, unfortunately. Ask yourself this: -- Why have no non-MPEG-2 titles been floated? (I don't think I'm letting the cat out of the bag by noting that all in process BD titles from SPHE, MGM, LG and WHV are MPEG-2) -- Why did WHV have to use MPEG-2 for their BD release titles, despite having VC-1 encoded masters ready to go? -- Why have neither Fox nor Disney formally committed to any titles in this era of BD25 and MPEG-2? The BDA needs to do less resting and more testing. They're behind the curve, and they need to catch up. And quickly. |
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post7733959
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WHV could have used VC-1 for wave one. But they didn't. The reason *why* still hasn't gone totally away, nor has the date when it *will* go away been clearly communicated to interested parties.
| Originally Posted by sknight1 So TW won't have VC-1 discs for the "second wave" as per David's post inferred? |
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Without breaching someone's confidence, can you state simply if the "reason" is technical or non-technical in nature?
Thanks!
| Originally Posted by amillians WHV could have used VC-1 for wave one. But they didn't. The reason *why* still hasn't gone totally away, nor has the date when it *will* go away been clearly communicated to interested parties. |
Thanks!
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The current specifications of the Samsung BD P1000 show DD+ as an available built in audio stream. If true, then the question is whether the BD releases from the other studios take advantage of this. I hope so.
| Originally Posted by rdjam Hi Dan - yes I agree that some studio decisions can't be guessed at. But my post was actually addressing things we already know - such as the factthat even if DD+ is included on BD releases by the studios, that the users will only get DD audio from them. |
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No, Samsung doesn't decode DD+ nor DTS-HD. They just extract and output the DD/DTS core from DD+/DTS-HD. Their manual is misleading.
| Originally Posted by gostan The current specifications of the Samsung BD P1000 show DD+ as an available built in audio stream. If true, then the question is whether the BD releases from the other studios take advantage of this. I hope so. |
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