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I've been a very big supporter of the Bravo D1 since it's introduction. I have never seen any of the playback, or loading problems, others have reported on any of the DVDs I own, or have rented, until now.


I purchased the Superbit version of "Desperado" last night and attempted to play it on the Bravo D1. The screen was black, and audio was stuttering horribly, then it froze on what appeared to be the main "splash screen" while only displaying a very small portion of a graphic. The machine itself was not locked up. I could eject the DVD no problem, but every time I tried to play this particular DVD it behaved identically to previous attempts.


I tried this same DVD in my older Sony DVD player and it played beautiful, with no problems or errors whatsoever.


I'd like to start a poll of people who have tried Superbit DVDs on their Bravo D1 players and the results. If these fail consistently, maybe this would be beneficial information for V inc engineers.
 

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Only own a few "superbits", and they affect my D1 no more or less than my other disks. Since this is just Sony's name for high bitrate video DVDs, this is sort of a meaningless poll.


Almost any movie where the feature is placed on a separate disk from the extras has probably maximized bit rate to be equivalent to superbits (LOTR, SW, EP I & II, most high qulaity "special editions"). And there is nothing inherent in higher bitrate video that should upset the D1, and the menu and splash screens are no different than any other disk, which is where you saw a problem. They are just regular DVDs with good picture quality.


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The screen was black, and audio was stuttering horribly, then it froze on what appeared to be the main "splash screen" while only displaying a very small portion of a graphic. The machine itself was not locked up. I could eject the DVD no problem, but every time I tried to play this particular DVD it behaved identically to previous attempts.
I just received the D1 yesterday. I had the same exact problem as yours with a couple of discs. However, after I cleaned the surface of the DVD discs, the D1 played both discs fine. Maybe there is a fingerprint on your Desperado sb. Give it a try.
 

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Hey Hoy,

The Desperado disc was straight out of the wrapper and handled by its edges. I could try to clean it, but I doubt it would help.


Brandon,

I'll agree to the bitrate to a degree. Most DVD manufacturers come up with a spec and adhere to it religiously. Most of the time it is lower than the superbit spec. My only suspicion of this is that other complaints from the D1 playing discs have been loader related. The faster the disc spins the faster the data can be read. Obviously, packing the bits more densely achieves the same affect. Either way,

I 've had 30+ DVDs through the D1 and the superbit DVD was the first that has failed. Hence the poll.
 

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Some things to keep in mind here is there might be problems with particular DVDs on any given player which doesn't mean there is a problem with the whole "batch" or with the authoring.


Case in point, I borrowed a brand new copy of Galaxy Quest from a friend and it refused to play all the way through on my Pioneer DVL-919. Other rented copies of Galaxy Quest played just fine, but his particular copy just didn't want to play right. It played fine on my other Pioneer players and it played fine on his HTPC, but on my DVL-919 it just kept pixelating and hanging at the same place.


Your copy of Desperado might be brand new, but the disc itself might be "bum" media or might have errors your D1 can't deal with.


A friend of mine owned a new copy of Casino that refused to be recognized by his Onkyo (don't know the model) DVD player. I exchanged my copy with him and MY copy played fine on his Onkyo and HIS copy played fine on my DVL-919, like my copy did.


So, try another copy of Desperado and see what happens. :)


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Bit spacing is not determined by bit rate of the video. If they don't use up the full capacity of the DVD, there will be "blank" space, not fewer bits spread over the same space.


Agree that most disks are at a lower bit rate than superbit, but my point was really that it is just a marketing name, and there are many disks (although certainly not a majority) that are the same.


I've fed probably 100 disks though the 2 different D1's I've had, and the higher bitrate ones (LOTR, SW EPII, superbit Dasboot, Dracula& CharliesAngels, and others) have not been the ones to fail, with the exception of Harry Potter II (don't know the bit rate on that, but I assume it's fairly good given the picture and extras relegated to second disk).


As John in another thread has discovered through experimentation, once the D1 has "glitched", it seems to have problems from then on unless it is hard-powered down (switch on front, not remote) and then back up.


So while the loader is part of the issue, it really seems to be tied in to the firmware as well, and Vinc is, in fact, investigating this. Loader swaps ahve not 100% cured problems for most who have tried them (myself included). And these same exact loaders perform flawless playback of the same exact disks when used in a PC.


Curisouly, my HPII disk would not work until I accidently dropped it taking it out of the machine after 5 failed tries. It has worked fine ever since. Not going to recommend that as a strategy though. :)


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Perhaps some of the DVD's have a slight warp (I have seen it), and some of the laser optics focus system may not be able to follow the rate of warp change (Not talking about WARP DRIVE:D ) properly??


Brandon..You must of dropped Harry on the correct spot!:D


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I have a D1 with a different loader (Toshiba drive) and I see the problem on some DVD menus. My solution that almost always works - a power cycle - pull the power plug out, wait a few seconds, plug back in. That seems to do the trick.
 

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Won't play Dracula for me.Can't get past menu screen.
 

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Interesting. Well this poll has been good then. I really doubt I can return an opened DVD to Bestbuy...maybe for same item? I'll try it. There are so very few Superbit DVDs I was hoping to hear from people who had tried Charlies Angels, Men in Black II, or maybe Adaptation.


I haven't tried a DVD since the Desperado failure in my Bravo. According to the posts here it should fail until I power cycle. I'll update this post when I do.
 

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If a disc is defective, Best Buy will exchange it (for the same).


I had trouble getting through the Menus on both Star Wars discs, but once I got them going, they played fine.
 

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Charlies Angels SB is fine in mine, which is back to original loader, but has had very few glitches, layer change hiccup on LOTR I, brief audio drop on Die Another Day, and one other layer change hiccup, movie escapes memory. This is out of several dozen movies, since 7/3 when I received it back from Vinc.


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My new D1 is working as erratically as those mentioned in this thread. Two Towers (from Blockbuster) plays with occasional hicups, I can not get others past opening screens.
 

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I am having the same problem. The only disc I could get to play was Goldmember last night. This was the first time I tried. Apollo 13, LOTR, and monsters inc would just skip and hiccup. They worked fine on my other players.


Oceanglenn, did you upgrade to the new firmware?? Maybe My update didn't work correctly.


I have never had this problem with other dvd players I have owned.


Maybe we should try the samsung.
 
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