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Hi guys, I need little help here.

I'm planning to build up a wired home network in near future so I'll be needing couple of advice from You guys.

Considering that I'm gonna go wired I was thinking about one of those two switches:

http://www.dlink.com/us/en/business-solutions/switching/unmanaged-switches/rackmount/dgs-1016d-16-port-copper-gigabit-switch
http://www.tp-link.com/lk/products/details/?model=TL-SG1016D


I have already my internet provider router and not planning to buy one. What I need from You is to help me out with the rest of the components especially for my server computer. I won't be using it for gaming or some heavy video processing, I want to use it as a NAS. It will be mostly used as a storage for other computers that will have acces to network (laptop, gaming computer, tablet) and as a storage for Blu Ray ISO played over Noontec media player. So what I need is a little help about components so here are my question:


1.) Motherboard that has at least 8 sata ports (I'd go for 12 if price is reasonable)

2.) High tower that could fit up po 12 HDD 3.5 internal

3.) Processor (probably some i3 will do just fine)

4.) I'm assuming that I won't be needing graphic card?

5.) Which of these two switches I provided link above would suit me better or it is all the same?

6.) What HDD have provided as most stable? (thinking about 2-4 TB HDD, WD, Seagate, Toshiba???)

6.) Any other information that could be helpfull for my network?

7.) Do I need another switch (second network) to go from my router for IPTV? (If I'm gona physicaly remove it from one room to another that also has TV)


THNX alot!
 

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It sounds like you want to go DIY.

I have built more servers than I can recall.

Today I use Synology NAS' for non-production environments.

I really like the the DS1812+

Cheap, saves tons of time, is solid as a rock and is easily expandable.

http://www.synology.com/en-us/products/overview/DS1812+


Oh and use Seagate enterprise grade drives for amazing performance and reliability
http://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-drives/enterprise-hard-drives/hdd/enterprise-capacity-3-5-hdd/?sku=ST33000650NS


Never use anything from WD-I have boxes and boxes of failed or failing drives.
 

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Originally Posted by merceg100  /t/1522680/building-up-home-server#post_24486560


Hi guys, I need little help here.

I'm planning to build up a wired home network in near future so I'll be needing couple of advice from You guys.

Considering that I'm gonna go wired I was thinking about one of those two switches:

http://www.dlink.com/us/en/business-solutions/switching/unmanaged-switches/rackmount/dgs-1016d-16-port-copper-gigabit-switch
http://www.tp-link.com/lk/products/details/?model=TL-SG1016D


I have already my internet provider router and not planning to buy one. What I need from You is to help me out with the rest of the components especially for my server computer. I won't be using it for gaming or some heavy video processing, I want to use it as a NAS. It will be mostly used as a storage for other computers that will have acces to network (laptop, gaming computer, tablet) and as a storage for Blu Ray ISO played over Noontec media player. So what I need is a little help about components so here are my question:


1.) Motherboard that has at least 8 sata ports (I'd go for 12 if price is reasonable)

2.) High tower that could fit up po 12 HDD 3.5 internal

3.) Processor (probably some i3 will do just fine)

4.) I'm assuming that I won't be needing graphic card?

5.) Which of these two switches I provided link above would suit me better or it is all the same?

6.) What HDD have provided as most stable? (thinking about 2-4 TB HDD, WD, Seagate, Toshiba???)

6.) Any other information that could be helpfull for my network?

7.) Do I need another switch (second network) to go from my router for IPTV? (If I'm gona physicaly remove it from one room to another that also has TV)


THNX alot!
I have also built a ton of RAID Systems over the years and recently gave one of the Synology NAS Units a try and love it. That said I am certainly not going to knock anyone for building their own. So I will try and answer some of your questions. I've attached a photo of a few that I've built to give you an idea.

 

Any Gig Switch will work just make sure that it is a full "Wire Speed" switch which means that the switch can actually handle full speed connections from all of the ports at once. So an 8 port switch should be able to pass 16Gb of Traffic. There are many other ratings that might made a difference in an enterprise setting so I wouldn't worry about them.

 

1) Motherboard - This is completely subjective but my experience is that Gigabyte Motherboards have been the best / most reliable ones I've dealt with in many years. They have a few that have 10 SATA Ports, finding one with more might be a little more difficult.

 

2) Case - I've been using Cooler-Master and Super Micro Cases, a case can run you from under $100 to well in to the thousands if you want to go with Hotswap Bays. I don't believe The CoolerMaster Cases I've been using are available anymore. I was adding the Super Micro Hotswap Bays (as seen in the photo).

 

3) Processor - This really depends on what you are going to be using the system for and what you are going to be using for software. If you are going with say a FreeNAS System then the processor wouldn't be that critical but you will want to get a motherboard that supports ECC Memory which can / will add to the cost of both the motherboard and the memory as well. Also the more memory the better no matter what direction you go in.

 

4) Video Card - Again depends.. you don't need it but you will want a video card of some sort so you can connect a monitor to it. A lot of motherboards (especially the Intel based ones) have a part of the CPU that will power a video card. 

 

5) Switch - Pick one, I would stick with a brand name like Netgear, Cisco Home, Linksys and even D-Link

 

6) Any of the major brand name drives will work fine but make sure you get their "NAS Version" otherwise you could run in to some issues with warranty or even compatibility in a RAID as some don't have the same functionality. My Goto Drive has been the Seagate but also like WD as well.

 

6a) Other Suggestions - Depending on the motherboard you get and how much you transfer data around the onboard Network Cards can use a lot of CPU Overhead / Slow the systems down. If that is the case then you can look at a dedicated workstation of server card which does all of the processing / off loads the CPU.

 

COOLING - The very worst enemy of any computer component is heat so make sure that whatever case you go with make sure that it has the ability to add in plenty of fans and you might want to look at replacing the factory ones with higher quality ones. At the same time you should be able to connect several of the fans to the motherboard which will control them based on the temp of the air inside the case.

 

Power Supply - This is also very important and can not be overlooked, if you have upwards of say 10 hard drives that are powered on at one time you are going to need a very, very large power supply to handle that first inrush of power. I've seen some systems take upwards of 10amp of AC Power so you can imagine the DC Power needed. A true RAID System with a RAID Controller will actually stagger the spin-up of the drives which will let you get away with a smaller hard drive. There are some websites that can help you calculate the size you need.

 

7) This depends on how your IPTV Setup works, if your TV is connected to the router directly you are probably fine using the same network. You can also set up another network but if you do you could consider a router / firewall as another layer of protection but that isn't needed.

 

With all of this in mind you can see what some of us have decided to go with a dedicated NAS like the Synology Ones. I got the DS1518+ and love it! I highly recommend it and when you get down to it you are probably looking at a cost savings over building your own.

 

Keep in mind that no matter what you decide you should always have some kind of backup plan in place. Using a NAS or RAID System certainly provides a level of protection but data loss can certainly occur. Backing up a NAS is certainly something that everyone should do but usually doesn't due to the cost.

 

Hope this helps and let me know if I missed anything / needs anymore information.

 

 

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Originally Posted by merceg100  /t/1522680/building-up-home-server#post_24486560


So what I need is a little help about components

I just did a 8-SATA port server, details here: curator: a file server .


I have only 8 drives installed, but with the proper cages you could put in more.


-Bill
 

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Originally Posted by trans_lux  /t/1522680/building-up-home-server#post_24487908


It sounds like you want to go DIY.

I have built more servers than I can recall.

Today I use Synology NAS' for non-production environments.

I really like the the DS1812+

Cheap, saves tons of time, is solid as a rock and is easily expandable.

http://www.synology.com/en-us/products/overview/DS1812+


Oh and use Seagate enterprise grade drives for amazing performance and reliability
http://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-drives/enterprise-hard-drives/hdd/enterprise-capacity-3-5-hdd/?sku=ST33000650NS


Never use anything from WD-I have boxes and boxes of failed or failing drives.

I know what You mean going with Synology, I can find one where are live for 1600USD (DS1813+), but for that kind of money I was thinking of building a server with at least 3x4TB HDD.

Now, i know it is easier to buy Synology and one has swappable which is easier to use, probably more quiter than PC.
 

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I have also built a ton of RAID Systems over the years and recently gave one of the Synology NAS Units a try and love it. That said I am certainly not going to knock anyone for building their own. So I will try and answer some of your questions. I've attached a photo of a few that I've built to give you an idea.


Any Gig Switch will work just make sure that it is a full "Wire Speed" switch which means that the switch can actually handle full speed connections from all of the ports at once. So an 8 port switch should be able to pass 16Gb of Traffic. There are many other ratings that might made a difference in an enterprise setting so I wouldn't worry about them.


1) Motherboard - This is completely subjective but my experience is that Gigabyte Motherboards have been the best / most reliable ones I've dealt with in many years. They have a few that have 10 SATA Ports, finding one with more might be a little more difficult.


2) Case - I've been using Cooler-Master and Super Micro Cases, a case can run you from under $100 to well in to the thousands if you want to go with Hotswap Bays. I don't believe The CoolerMaster Cases I've been using are available anymore. I was adding the Super Micro Hotswap Bays (as seen in the photo).


3) Processor - This really depends on what you are going to be using the system for and what you are going to be using for software. If you are going with say a FreeNAS System then the processor wouldn't be that critical but you will want to get a motherboard that supports ECC Memory which can / will add to the cost of both the motherboard and the memory as well. Also the more memory the better no matter what direction you go in.


4) Video Card - Again depends.. you don't need it but you will want a video card of some sort so you can connect a monitor to it. A lot of motherboards (especially the Intel based ones) have a part of the CPU that will power a video card. 


5) Switch - Pick one, I would stick with a brand name like Netgear, Cisco Home, Linksys and even D-Link


6) Any of the major brand name drives will work fine but make sure you get their "NAS Version" otherwise you could run in to some issues with warranty or even compatibility in a RAID as some don't have the same functionality. My Goto Drive has been the Seagate but also like WD as well.


6a) Other Suggestions - Depending on the motherboard you get and how much you transfer data around the onboard Network Cards can use a lot of CPU Overhead / Slow the systems down. If that is the case then you can look at a dedicated workstation of server card which does all of the processing / off loads the CPU.


COOLING - The very worst enemy of any computer component is heat so make sure that whatever case you go with make sure that it has the ability to add in plenty of fans and you might want to look at replacing the factory ones with higher quality ones. At the same time you should be able to connect several of the fans to the motherboard which will control them based on the temp of the air inside the case.


Power Supply - This is also very important and can not be overlooked, if you have upwards of say 10 hard drives that are powered on at one time you are going to need a very, very large power supply to handle that first inrush of power. I've seen some systems take upwards of 10amp of AC Power so you can imagine the DC Power needed. A true RAID System with a RAID Controller will actually stagger the spin-up of the drives which will let you get away with a smaller hard drive. There are some websites that can help you calculate the size you need.


7) This depends on how your IPTV Setup works, if your TV is connected to the router directly you are probably fine using the same network. You can also set up another network but if you do you could consider a router / firewall as another layer of protection but that isn't needed.


With all of this in mind you can see what some of us have decided to go with a dedicated NAS like the Synology Ones. I got the DS1518+ and love it! I highly recommend it and when you get down to it you are probably looking at a cost savings over building your own.


Keep in mind that no matter what you decide you should always have some kind of backup plan in place. Using a NAS or RAID System certainly provides a level of protection but data loss can certainly occur. Backing up a NAS is certainly something that everyone should do but usually doesn't due to the cost.


Hope this helps and let me know if I missed anything / needs anymore information.



How can i know tht a switch is "wire speed".

1) I was also thinking about Gigabyte with 6 SATA 3 connectors and expend it later on with PCI slot with 4 extra SATA connections.

2) I don't think I would be needing howswap bays, 'cos I don't feel I'll be removing disks that often. Or is there any other reason I should go for them?

3) I was planning on I3 Haswell with integrated grapgic chip so that i don't need graphic card and that I can use x16 slot for SATA PCI-e expansion

4) Probably no video card, cos that pc won't be connected to monitor, mouse, keyboard, but in future I could always upgrade it with GP and put monitor along with it.

5) Will see more about that, but think I'll be going with D-link one I've provided link above

6) Probably gonna go for a mix of Seagate and WD CG

7) IPTV goes =router to IPTV reciever to TV so i think I'll probably be needing another switch/network


I'll be defintly looking about cooling, no worries about that.

About PS, would 500W be enough? I think it should, 'cos I want be having optical drive, probably no GP.
 

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I just did a 8-SATA port server, details here: curator: a file server .


I have only 8 drives installed, but with the proper cages you could put in more.


-Bill

I kinda like that Zalman case you have purchased, maybe I'll go with the same one.

As I look on the side picture of that case on the link You provided "Spacious interior space, one could realize that you could put 10 HDD in those "Tool-Free ODD bays" - but down in the specs it states that you could only have 3 bays for internal HDD. Are those 7 left (one of them for 5.25) capable to be transformed as for internal HDD.


THNX.
 

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I kinda like that Zalman case you have purchased, maybe I'll go with the same one.

As I look on the side picture of that case on the link You provided "Spacious interior space, one could realize that you could put 10 HDD in those "Tool-Free ODD bays" - but down in the specs it states that you could only have 3 bays for internal HDD. Are those 7 left (one of them for 5.25) capable to be transformed as for internal HDD.


THNX.

It actually has 10 5.25" bays. The 3.5" slots are provided by adapters. You can use those, your own, or install drive cages in any combination that fit physically.


The tool-free aspect is not that important when using adapters or cages. They'll be screwed in. Maybe for optical drives (which I'm not using here).


-Bill
 

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I'm not trying to talk you out of DIY.

I love building stuff, learning new things along the way and the satisfaction when it all works-it's a great hobby.


I just think for a NAS you can't beat something like a Synology.

This guy is a 4 bay model. Amazon US has it for under $400.
http://www.synology.com/en-us/products/overview/DS413j

So do I like building stuff. I would really like if I could just buy Synology and get rid of weasting time but as I already said too expensive...

For the Synology and the hard drives I could spend 3000USD and thats just too much.
 

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It actually has 10 5.25" bays. The 3.5" slots are provided by adapters. You can use those, your own, or install drive cages in any combination that fit physically.


The tool-free aspect is not that important when using adapters or cages. They'll be screwed in. Maybe for optical drives (which I'm not using here).


-Bill

So You are saying that in order to get all those 5.25 bays I'm going to buy extra adapters or drive cages. If that so what do You recommend and if You could Provide me with a link of what to look for.


P.S. Drive cages - could they be better if they provide even more space for the HDD due to their construcion?


THNX!
 

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How can i know tht a switch is "wire speed".

1) I was also thinking about Gigabyte with 6 SATA 3 connectors and expend it later on with PCI slot with 4 extra SATA connections.

2) I don't think I would be needing howswap bays, 'cos I don't feel I'll be removing disks that often. Or is there any other reason I should go for them?

3) I was planning on I3 Haswell with integrated grapgic chip so that i don't need graphic card and that I can use x16 slot for SATA PCI-e expansion

4) Probably no video card, cos that pc won't be connected to monitor, mouse, keyboard, but in future I could always upgrade it with GP and put monitor along with it.

5) Will see more about that, but think I'll be going with D-link one I've provided link above

6) Probably gonna go for a mix of Seagate and WD CG

7) IPTV goes =router to IPTV reciever to TV so i think I'll probably be needing another switch/network


I'll be defintly looking about cooling, no worries about that.

About PS, would 500W be enough? I think it should, 'cos I want be having optical drive, probably no GP.
Wire Speed would be defined in the specs but might be buried or not shown / mentioned if they don't support full speed. After some additional thought for a home network you probably don't really have to worry about that spec. Just buy a brand name as you will be fine.

 

1) If you go with this solution and you have this set up as a Single RAID using both the On Board and Add On Card if the card would somehow fail you might end up loosing all of your data.

 

2) Hot Swap Bays are really only a convenience but also have some other benefits (see below). Keep in mind that even if you get the hotswap bays (aka drive cages) the motherboard / SATA Ports have to support it and so does whatever operating system you go with.

 

3) Just buy a motherboard with onboard video and you will be all set.

 

6) I would not recommend mixing / matching hard drives in the same RAID Set. Sure it might work depending on the operating system you go with but you are better off going with the same drives with the same specs. Some people will buy them weeks or even months apart to keep from getting a bad batch (which has happened) once you are up and running keep an eye out for a sale and buy a drive or two to have on hand for spares / expansion as drive models change all the time.

 

You will probably need larger than a 500 Watt Power Supply just for the initial surge, after that a 500 Watt should be fine. Just keep in mind that when a drive spins up it can take a tremendous amount of power compared to the power needed to keep it running (think of the Battery in your car). Imagine the surge that 8 or 10 Drives will take.

 

I would suggest using an SSD Drive as your Operating System Drive unless you are going with FreeNAS which you will just load off a Thumb Drive. That said an SSD as a Cache can also make a huge difference in performance but you probably won't need it.

 

You mentioned that a Synology DS1518+ is how much there? Where do you live, they are $1000 here, sometimes less on sale.

 
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So You are saying that in order to get all those 5.25 bays I'm going to buy extra adapters or drive cages. If that so what do You recommend and if You could Provide me with a link of what to look for.


P.S. Drive cages - could they be better if they provide even more space for the HDD due to their construcion?


THNX!
A Drive Cage can give you "Hot Swap" Capabilities (Depending on your motherboard / controller) and it can give you more space. In the instance of the ones I have in the photo I posted you are able to put Five 3.5" Drives in the space of Three 5.25" Bays.

 

Here is the SuperMicro Version. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121405&Tpk=N82E16817121405

I've been told that you can get far cheaper ones from places like MonoPrice. I use the SuperMicro Ones because they have their own temp sensing fan on the back of the unit which has served me well. They also have a Temp Alarm if something goes wrong and the drives get to hot. 
 

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Wire Speed would be defined in the specs but might be buried or not shown / mentioned if they don't support full speed. After some additional thought for a home network you probably don't really have to worry about that spec. Just buy a brand name as you will be fine.


1) If you go with this solution and you have this set up as a Single RAID using both the On Board and Add On Card if the card would somehow fail you might end up loosing all of your data.


2) Hot Swap Bays are really only a convenience but also have some other benefits (see below). Keep in mind that even if you get the hotswap bays (aka drive cages) the motherboard / SATA Ports have to support it and so does whatever operating system you go with.


3) Just buy a motherboard with onboard video and you will be all set.


6) I would not recommend mixing / matching hard drives in the same RAID Set. Sure it might work depending on the operating system you go with but you are better off going with the same drives with the same specs. Some people will buy them weeks or even months apart to keep from getting a bad batch (which has happened) once you are up and running keep an eye out for a sale and buy a drive or two to have on hand for spares / expansion as drive models change all the time.


You will probably need larger than a 500 Watt Power Supply just for the initial surge, after that a 500 Watt should be fine. Just keep in mind that when a drive spins up it can take a tremendous amount of power compared to the power needed to keep it running (think of the Battery in your car). Imagine the surge that 8 or 10 Drives will take.


I would suggest using an SSD Drive as your Operating System Drive unless you are going with FreeNAS which you will just load off a Thumb Drive. That said an SSD as a Cache can also make a huge difference in performance but you probably won't need it.


You mentioned that a Synology DS1518+ is how much there? Where do you live, they are $1000 here, sometimes less on sale.


A Drive Cage can give you "Hot Swap" Capabilities (Depending on your motherboard / controller) and it can give you more space. In the instance of the ones I have in the photo I posted you are able to put Five 3.5" Drives in the space of Three 5.25" Bays.


Here is the SuperMicro Version. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121405&Tpk=N82E16817121405

I've been told that you can get far cheaper ones from places like MonoPrice. I use the SuperMicro Ones because they have their own temp sensing fan on the back of the unit which has served me well. They also have a Temp Alarm if something goes wrong and the drives get to hot. 

1) If that so i was thinking maybe to put only the on board drives in RAID (I'm gonna have to google up a bir about RAID configuration 'cos I never set up one, I know that there are several types of RAID "fields" so I'll have to check that out later on)

2) http://www.gigabyte.com.hr/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4491#ov - does this one support hot swap bays? If not so how do You know this specification.

3) Whart processor then?


DS1813+ is in Croatia around 1,600 USD, getting it from abroad would cost me the same due to import taxes so if in the end I go for Synology I'd buy it in Croatia.


On the page you provided me link for cages I cann't find specification of the size HDD suports, can it support 4TB. On Thermaltake pages no cage can support more than 2TB, and yet the ones @wmcclain recommended supports 4TB.


So what power supply would You recommend, I don't want to spend money upgrading equipement except hard drives so I'm gonna stick to one I purchase at the beginning?


And lastly, You mentioned OS. I was planning with Windows 7 Ultimate. Is this fine or You recommend anything else?


P.S. Does it meen that if PCI-e card fails that I'm gonna loose all the data on all 4 HDD?
 

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1) If that so i was thinking maybe to put only the on board drives in RAID (I'm gonna have to google up a bir about RAID configuration 'cos I never set up one, I know that there are several types of RAID "fields" so I'll have to check that out later on)

2) http://www.gigabyte.com.hr/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4491#ov - does this one support hot swap bays? If not so how do You know this specification.

3) Whart processor then?


DS1813+ is in Croatia around 1,600 USD, getting it from abroad would cost me the same due to import taxes so if in the end I go for Synology I'd buy it in Croatia.


On the page you provided me link for cages I cann't find specification of the size HDD suports, can it support 4TB. On Thermaltake pages no cage can support more than 2TB, and yet the ones @wmcclain recommended supports 4TB.


So what power supply would You recommend, I don't want to spend money upgrading equipement except hard drives so I'm gonna stick to one I purchase at the beginning?


And lastly, You mentioned OS. I was planning with Windows 7 Ultimate. Is this fine or You recommend anything else?


P.S. Does it meen that if PCI-e card fails that I'm gonna loose all the data on all 4 HDD?
First of all lets take a step back here and take a look at the overall goal here. You mentioned that you are looking to use this system as a NAS and you want to set up some kind of RAID. Well I don't believe that Windows itself Supports RAID (using Windows itself) that said it looks like the motherboard you are looking at does support RAID. There are a few different types of RAID that offer different levels of fault tolerance. A RAID 5 will allow you to have a single drive fail and not loose any data provided you can replace that drive without another drive failing. This will mean that the space of 1 drive is lost (N-1) so lets say you have Four 4TB Drives you will have a usable space of about 12TB. RAID 6 gives you Two Parity Drives so you will loose the Capacity of Two Drives (N-2) or about 8TB of usable space in the same Four 4TB Drives. Most people feel that once you get in the 10+ TB Range you want to have RAID 6 as the time it takes to rebuild a large raid can be many days and the leaves you open to an additional failure which would result in data loss.

 

Personally I have had no luck whatsoever using onboard RAID Solutions. I went down this road many times / tried and always ended up using a Dedicated RAID Controller. Most Onboard Implementations are very slow and for some reason not very stable. I have lost data several times. That said this was many years ago and I would assume / hope that things have gotten better. Still I am not sure that you will be very happy with the performance of the onboard RAID Solutions as they are not caching which makes a huge difference in performance.

 

That said Windows 7 Does NOT natively support RAID 5 or 6 so you can't do it through Windows. My suggestion would be to look at something like FreeNAS which is a free software based NAS System that has been around for a while and is very stable / reliable and very fast. You can get great results out of relatively low end hardware. Again going back to my original post for a very reliable system FreeNAS Specs out Error Correcting Memory which most standard motherboards don't support so your have to start looking at higher end motherboard which can get pricey. This is not a deal breaker, you can use a regular motherboard but could end up with data corruption as you are loosing that layer of error checking.

 

I know that the Super Micro Hotswap Cages support large drives, most of these are just pass through connections. I have 3TB Drives in mind and they have been running since the drives were put in / haven't had a single failure in well over a year. I'd check the manufacturers website, they probably have older specs which have been updated since.

 

If you have a PCI Card with SATA Ports on it and the card fails you more than likely won't loose your data, my point was if you have one large raid combined with the onboard and external ports that could lead to issues. You would just have to replace the card to get it back up and running. Again it depends on what is creating / maintaining the RAID. Of course never say never, data loss is always possible if / when you have a hardware failure and not to mention something like a virus or even physical threats like fire, theft and floods.
 

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So You are saying that in order to get all those 5.25 bays I'm going to buy extra adapters or drive cages. If that so what do You recommend and if You could Provide me with a link of what to look for.


P.S. Drive cages - could they be better if they provide even more space for the HDD due to their construcion?


THNX!

Cages: yes, that's the way I do it. That way any series of 5.25" bays can become hot-swap slots for 3.5" drives. Actually swapping while the system is up is not that important to me, but if a drive is failing I want to be able to get it out and replaced without worrying about digging around in the nest of wires inside. Plus I may want to mount temporary drives for special loads, conversion and such.


The UnRaid forum has endless discussions of drive cages, so I suggest spending some time there. What I have now are the first I have used: two IcyDock 4-in-3 units, which, ironically are each more expensive than the entire case.


-Bill
 

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Cages: yes, that's the way I do it. That way any series of 5.25" bays can become hot-swap slots for 3.5" drives. Actually swapping while the system is up is not that important to me, but if a drive is failing I want to be able to get it out and replaced without worrying about digging around in the nest of wires inside. Plus I may want to mount temporary drives for special loads, conversion and such.


The UnRaid forum has endless discussions of drive cages, so I suggest spending some time there. What I have now are the first I have used: two IcyDock 4-in-3 units, which, ironically are each more expensive than the entire case.


-Bill

Yes, I'll definetly go and search a bit on that forum.

Just curious, Why haven't you go for one cage that supports 5 HDD http://www.icydock.com/goods.php?id=163 but You went with those that enclose only 4?

I've seen that the cages were more expensive than casa
 

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Yes, I'll definetly go and search a bit on that forum.

Just curious, Why haven't you go for one cage that supports 5 HDD http://www.icydock.com/goods.php?id=163 but You went with those that enclose only 4?

I've seen that the cages were more expensive than casa

Just for symmetry. I'd need two cages anyway and 8 drives is the max on this motherboard. I'm not planning on using a SATA expansion card.


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First of all lets take a step back here and take a look at the overall goal here. You mentioned that you are looking to use this system as a NAS and you want to set up some kind of RAID. Well I don't believe that Windows itself Supports RAID (using Windows itself) that said it looks like the motherboard you are looking at does support RAID. There are a few different types of RAID that offer different levels of fault tolerance. A RAID 5 will allow you to have a single drive fail and not loose any data provided you can replace that drive without another drive failing. This will mean that the space of 1 drive is lost (N-1) so lets say you have Four 4TB Drives you will have a usable space of about 12TB. RAID 6 gives you Two Parity Drives so you will loose the Capacity of Two Drives (N-2) or about 8TB of usable space in the same Four 4TB Drives. Most people feel that once you get in the 10+ TB Range you want to have RAID 6 as the time it takes to rebuild a large raid can be many days and the leaves you open to an additional failure which would result in data loss.


Personally I have had no luck whatsoever using onboard RAID Solutions. I went down this road many times / tried and always ended up using a Dedicated RAID Controller. Most Onboard Implementations are very slow and for some reason not very stable. I have lost data several times. That said this was many years ago and I would assume / hope that things have gotten better. Still I am not sure that you will be very happy with the performance of the onboard RAID Solutions as they are not caching which makes a huge difference in performance.


That said Windows 7 Does NOT natively support RAID 5 or 6 so you can't do it through Windows. My suggestion would be to look at something like FreeNAS which is a free software based NAS System that has been around for a while and is very stable / reliable and very fast. You can get great results out of relatively low end hardware. Again going back to my original post for a very reliable system FreeNAS Specs out Error Correcting Memory which most standard motherboards don't support so your have to start looking at higher end motherboard which can get pricey. This is not a deal breaker, you can use a regular motherboard but could end up with data corruption as you are loosing that layer of error checking.


I know that the Super Micro Hotswap Cages support large drives, most of these are just pass through connections. I have 3TB Drives in mind and they have been running since the drives were put in / haven't had a single failure in well over a year. I'd check the manufacturers website, they probably have older specs which have been updated since.


If you have a PCI Card with SATA Ports on it and the card fails you more than likely won't loose your data, my point was if you have one large raid combined with the onboard and external ports that could lead to issues. You would just have to replace the card to get it back up and running. Again it depends on what is creating / maintaining the RAID. Of course never say never, data loss is always possible if / when you have a hardware failure and not to mention something like a virus or even physical threats like fire, theft and floods.

Haven't understand You quite well, does this mean that You don't recommend building RAID at all?


As much as I realize I would rather live with that one of my hard drive fails me with all the data on it then loosing half the amount of space and yet maybe not available to recover it.

So let's reconsider the way I think:

Windows 7, 1 hard drive for OS, 9 other for space storage (in time frame bought), low cost components, possibility of loosing space on each hard drive=high (but not loosing on all the drives=that would be one in the milion I asume), motherboard I provided earlier in the post. with extra PCI-e for additional 4 SATA connectors.


How much is that possible/smart/foolish?
 

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Just for symmetry. I'd need two cages anyway and 8 drives is the max on this motherboard. I'm not planning on using a SATA expansion card.


-Bill

8 sata conectors for 8 hdd, I may be a bit a pain in the ass right now, but why haven't You bought just one save 106 USD, You already have 3 adapters to 3,5 HDD bays and just bought one more adapter over amazon or ebay and you still have 8.


Sorry if I'm bodering You
 
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