AVS Forum banner

Status
Not open for further replies.
1 - 10 of 10 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,462 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
"Prereq": See attached for the French door opening


I plan on installing drapes in the cavity/inset around the French doors. I'm looking to use a Makita Drape controller (kid motor for drapery and parent motor for 1.85/2.35 horz screen masking) which is rated at 60 lbs of drapery. Dennis E is a distributor of them from my past post readings as well as http://www.smarthome.com/3151.html and www.worthdist.com. I am buying my Makita stuff from Dennis E...he was very helpful and had great prices.


Re: picture. The larger opening is 84"x4"deep. The smaller opening is 70"x6"deep. That 14" corner edge is the outside of my house which they wouldn't change for some reason
. I plan on putting the drape on the larger opening but this may changed depending on how much room the drapes take up when they are bunched up. The left door opens (picture viewpoint).


What I'm trying to get some input from you all and an understanding of is:


a) How much room do your the drapes take up when they are open (bunched up)? (only makes sense in combination with following ?s)

b) Length of your opening

c) Length of your drapery material (i.e. 2x opening ROT?)

d) Depth of your drapery (front edge to back edge) when open

e) Depth of your drapery (front edge to back edge) when closed

f) Thickness of the material/fabric (in oz??)

g) Type of fabric (and purpose looks or sound blocking?)


P.S. Some companies I've heard others use:

i) Elyse Interior Accents (Thanks, Shaun P)

ii) Georgia Stage (Thanks, Tim W)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
69 Posts
Scott: My wife is an interior designer specializing in theater design and she's been using Georgia Stage for years. She has learned that the best approach is to call "Bucky" (his real name is Charles, but even he seems to have forgotten that) and tell him the open and closed dimensions, hang etc that you want. He'll work with your dimensions and his knowledge of fabric weights and hanging characteristics, and figure out the whole thing for you. Then he quote you a fabricated price that will knock your socks off ( much lower than custom drapes generally cost). We aren't connected with the company in any way except as customers, but I consider Georgia Stage and Bucky ( I think he's the owner) to be a National Resource for home theater DIY-ers.

BTW our stage drapes: open= 18"/side, closed = 7'/side. The fabric is 16oz Velour, and looks like a dream...they can apply fringe of various sorts and colors as well.

They mostly deal with schools, so they know all about fire codes too.

Cheers
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
602 Posts
Scott

I agree with toumy, Ga. Stage is fantastic to work with. I had the drapes for my H/T made by them and it cost less for the finished draperies then I could buy the material for locally.

Earl
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,462 Posts
Discussion Starter #4
Thanks guys. It sounds like GA Stage is a good to do business with. I will consider them seriously.


I was asking some pointed questions because of my door situation. They are 5' French doors with glass. Why do that to an HT? Compromise. This room was my houses living room and is right in the foyer. It would have looked stupid to have a single solid door or even double solid doors, I think (i.e. closet look). With the French doors, I will leave the door drapes open.


This is all part of the master plan :D ! When friends visit or stop by for other reasons than to eat and watch a movie, I can show them the room from the outside. A few days ago I put up a Grafik Eye 2 button switch on the outside of the room next to these doors. They will ask about the room or doors and I will casually say 'oh that, it is just my Home Theater'...I will then hit the 'scene 1' button and the 7ish lights around the room will come on at different times with slow brightening sequences. Oh I can see some of you rolling your eyes :rolleyes: 'cause I spent a lot of money on this aspect! Some of you others will say...hey I did something just like that :cool: .


BACK TO MY DRAPE ISSUE...from the picture you can see I have about 2' or 28" area to bunch up the drapes. I need to control the sound issue of these doors with reasonable but not heroic implementations. I think I need *heavy* drapes (25oz). The span is not that big...only 7' and the Makita will pull 60 lbs!!! Thus I'm trying to figure out what material, how thick it will be bunched up, how deep it will be (meaning how far out do I need to put the track). Perhaps I can even use two layers of material.


To also help, I will put in door gaskets and the bottom 5" of the door will sit right next to the floating floor.


Hope that helps you understand my dilemma.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,186 Posts
Scott:


I don't know how Georgia Stage finishes the top of their draperies, but with ordinary pinch pleated tops we usually figure the stack back (bunching) at about 1/3 the overall width.


The amount of fullness built into the drapery construction will have some effect on this. Normal window draperies are usually 2.5 to 3 times fullness. For screen curtains with no window behind them, 1.5 to 2 times fullness would be plenty. This reduction in fullness would reduce the stack back area a little bit.


Be aware that draperies will only have a minor effect on your sound transfer. Soft things will reduce reflected sound within the room, but it takes mass to stop transmitted sound. You're right that heavier fabrics would do better than light, but the difference will not be great.


Also be aware that the Makita rod travels at 11" per second, which is pretty fast. BTX travels at about 6" per second which is more realistic. The BTX costs more than the Makita.


Deane
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,462 Posts
Discussion Starter #6
Deane,


Thank you for your feedback and ROTs. I have certainly read various threads where you have contributed about masking and drapes (you being an extinct DrapeBoss owner )


The 11" / sec is not an issue for me for the door drapes. For screen masking or for screen side (stage) drapes I see it would be too fast aesthetically. For my Makita parent motor screen masking use I will 'gear/pulley' to lower that speed and give me more incremental control with the stops. (others, you can see what 11"/sec looks like by the real/media player movies available here )


Regarding the sound transmission loss of drapes...indeed I have read it will do little for the lower frequencies. I'm looking at reasonable yet not heroics results from drapes.


I thought this gov site had some interesting reading on it. Strangely when I was getting up this morning I thought about what can I put on the door to help with this sound issue. The glass in the French door is only single pane glass. I could add another pane on each one. BUT I was thinking that what if I put a 2'x5' pane of 1/2" clear glass or plexiglas on the inside of those doors!!! Hmm...think racquetball court or conference room. In that above site it refers to the transmission loss (TL) of plexi/glass as 20 dB.


It looks like I will have to put my drapes on the larger (84") inset (see picture) so I will have quite a bit of room between the door and the drapes!


Perhaps others have used glass/plexiglas for sound dampening ?? (note that I still need see through this for my said 'show off' reasons).


Thanks again for your guys continuing input to my HT.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,193 Posts
Quote:
Originally posted by ScottF200


The glass in the French door is only single pane glass. I could add another pane on each one. BUT I was thinking that what if I put a 2'x5' pane of 1/2" clear glass or plexiglas on the inside of those doors!!! Hmm...think racquetball court or conference room. In that above site it refers to the transmission loss (TL) of plexi/glass as 20 dB.
I'd look at laminated glass for your doors. That's what's in you windshield - two sheets of glass with a plastic layer between them. The interlayer damps sound more than regular glass. And it won't scratch or attract dust like plastic does.


Pete
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,462 Posts
Discussion Starter #8
Pete,


Thank you for the suggestion of shatter proof glass. That is a very good idea although I don't know the cost. As a young lad, I helped my father put in many windshields since he did this as a side business. Perhaps he still has contacts. Thanks for the suggestion. Sometimes things just don't dawn on you even when it seems they should (i.e. my history above)!!!


I was thinking plexiglass as It may be a little lighter and possible for me to cut with my roto-zip since I have to go around a door handle possible if I wanted to cover the entire door.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
283 Posts
IS velour the "standard" material for Home Theater drapes/curtains??? Could Velvet be used? What are the differences/advantages for each?


Thanks, Brett


p.s. I posted a separate thread for this but thought I would see if this one was still alive!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
912 Posts
Velvet tends to be lighter in weight and the nap is not quite as thick. Most stage curtain velour comes in varying weights and if you hold it up to a light the light for the most part does not pass through the fabric. The heavier velour fabric also hangs better. Also stage curtain velour is generally treated with a fire retardant.

Also makes for nice cape should you need to show your wife who the king is (haha).
 
1 - 10 of 10 Posts
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top