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Burn in or not? Help me decide! (DLP vs Plasma)
I bought a samsung dlp (720p 46" model) because of burn in concern and price for size reasons.
I had some problems with the QAM tuner and returned it and got another. Now I have a white spot on the inside of the screen. I am returning it.
SHOULD I switch to plasma? I watch quite a lot of 4:3 tv and am worried about burn in and set life. With the QAM tuner I will be watching a lot less of 4:3, but still at least 1/2 of what we watch is that. NOW, we only watch about 4 hours a day so its not on for a long time. Oh, NO GAMING.
Will I get black bar burn in? Can it be fixed if I do? I am eyeing the Vizio VP50.
Suggestions please?
I had some problems with the QAM tuner and returned it and got another. Now I have a white spot on the inside of the screen. I am returning it.
SHOULD I switch to plasma? I watch quite a lot of 4:3 tv and am worried about burn in and set life. With the QAM tuner I will be watching a lot less of 4:3, but still at least 1/2 of what we watch is that. NOW, we only watch about 4 hours a day so its not on for a long time. Oh, NO GAMING.
Will I get black bar burn in? Can it be fixed if I do? I am eyeing the Vizio VP50.
Suggestions please?
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If you buy the plasma you would need to stretch the SD content or I imagine you will wind up with uneven wear of the pixels where the black bars are over time.
I think the general consensus is that black bars should be no more than 10-15% of total viewing. That is one of the drawbacks to plasma.
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Originally Posted by jcarson1 /forum/post/0
I bought a samsung dlp (720p 46" model) because of burn in concern and price for size reasons.
I had some problems with the QAM tuner and returned it and got another. Now I have a white spot on the inside of the screen. I am returning it.
SHOULD I switch to plasma? I watch quite a lot of 4:3 tv and am worried about burn in and set life. With the QAM tuner I will be watching a lot less of 4:3, but still at least 1/2 of what we watch is that. NOW, we only watch about 4 hours a day so its not on for a long time. Oh, NO GAMING.
Will I get black bar burn in? Can it be fixed if I do? I am eyeing the Vizio VP50.
Suggestions please?
If you buy the plasma you would need to stretch the SD content or I imagine you will wind up with uneven wear of the pixels where the black bars are over time.
I think the general consensus is that black bars should be no more than 10-15% of total viewing. That is one of the drawbacks to plasma.
I never knew this. I never stretch the picture on my plasma because it drives me crazy.
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Originally Posted by paradigm20s /forum/post/0
If you buy the plasma you would need to stretch the SD content or I imagine you will wind up with uneven wear of the pixels where the black bars are over time.
I think the general consensus is that black bars should be no more than 10-15% of total viewing. That is one of the drawbacks to plasma.
I never knew this. I never stretch the picture on my plasma because it drives me crazy.
Having black bars on a plasma is not going to hurt it. You just have to avoid extended viewing with bars for the first 100 hours or so. I watched what I wanted with mine, just was careful with bars and I never had an issue with any Image retention or burn in with my 2 year old plasma.
Burn in is a dead issue with plasma. Don't believe the uninformed.
Talk about the uninformed! Burn in is still an issue. Maybe not as bad as it was a few years ago but it is still a issue.
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Originally Posted by revmike /forum/post/0
Burn in is a dead issue with plasma. Don't believe the uninformed.
Talk about the uninformed! Burn in is still an issue. Maybe not as bad as it was a few years ago but it is still a issue.
The original poster said that at least half of what he watched was going to have black bars!
I am no expert but I would make a bet that if half of what you watch on your plasma has the 4:3 black bars on the sides you will get burn in on that screen.
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Originally Posted by revmike /forum/post/0
Having black bars on a plasma is not going to hurt it. You just have to avoid extended viewing with bars for the first 100 hours or so. I watched what I wanted with mine, just was careful with bars and I never had an issue with any Image retention or burn in with my 2 year old plasma.
The original poster said that at least half of what he watched was going to have black bars!
I am no expert but I would make a bet that if half of what you watch on your plasma has the 4:3 black bars on the sides you will get burn in on that screen.
You sound so sure!
Burn-in may not be a correct term but image retention, which can't be removed after countless hours of playing 'break-in' dvd & Discovery HD, is as bad as burn-in.
Even though I have watched over thousands of hours on the panel, it recently has an IR "ESPN" from ESPNHD news ticker on my Elite1130. I watched all NFL games last season and had no problem until now.
Can you enlighten a newbie why does my set have image retention/persistence?
Cheers,
TP.
Burn-in may not be a correct term but image retention, which can't be removed after countless hours of playing 'break-in' dvd & Discovery HD, is as bad as burn-in.
Even though I have watched over thousands of hours on the panel, it recently has an IR "ESPN" from ESPNHD news ticker on my Elite1130. I watched all NFL games last season and had no problem until now.
Can you enlighten a newbie why does my set have image retention/persistence?
Cheers,
TP.
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Originally Posted by revmike /forum/post/0
Burn in is a dead issue with plasma. Don't believe the uninformed.
All I know is that with my Panasonic 50 7uy I watched whatever I wanted. I did turn brightness down and change so that the bars were not totally black and set pixel shift on and that's it. And burn in a dead issue, if that is the only reason why you would not buy a plasma, those are the uninformed. Burn in for me along with image retention is dead. I have watched countless hours of sports on ESPN in HD and other channels with no problems.
tpham, I can't answer why your plamas is giving you image retention.
tpham, I can't answer why your plamas is giving you image retention.
From reading this forum for the past few years, i get the general impression that the Pioneers and Samsungs are more prone to IR and Burn-In than the Panasonics. I've been watching 4:3 content with black sidebars probably 40% of the time in the two years i've had my PX50U as well as lots of Speedchannel and various news programming with tickers and logos and bugs graphics and crap and i have no Burn-In at all. I do get a little IR but it goes away within minutes. I'm actually a little surprised about the lack of Burn-In given the paranoia out there, but i'm glad i bought a Panny
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Originally Posted by revmike /forum/post/0
All I know is that with my Panasonic 50 7uy I watched whatever I wanted. I did turn brightness down and change so that the bars were not totally black and set pixel shift on and that's it. And burn in a dead issue, if that is the only reason why you would not buy a plasma, those are the uninformed. Burn in for me along with image retention is dead. I have watched countless hours of sports on ESPN in HD and other channels with no problems.
tpham, I can't answer why your plamas is giving you image retention.
From reading this forum for the past few years, i get the general impression that the Pioneers and Samsungs are more prone to IR and Burn-In than the Panasonics. I've been watching 4:3 content with black sidebars probably 40% of the time in the two years i've had my PX50U as well as lots of Speedchannel and various news programming with tickers and logos and bugs graphics and crap and i have no Burn-In at all. I do get a little IR but it goes away within minutes. I'm actually a little surprised about the lack of Burn-In given the paranoia out there, but i'm glad i bought a Panny
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Burn-in probably is still "possible" ,but it takes a LOT of abuse to actually have it happen. Kind of like you "could" be struck by lightning....but you still "take your chances" and go outside in the rain sometimes.
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Anyways.... Plasma KILLS DLP in just about every important category including "coolness" so the comparison is non-existent, IMO.
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Go plasma and dont look back....
Anyways.... Plasma KILLS DLP in just about every important category including "coolness" so the comparison is non-existent, IMO.
Go plasma and dont look back....
Wow, I am really surprised that this many people are telling someone it is fine to watch a plasma with black bars on the sides 50% the time.
How will he not get uneven wear on those pixels that don't get used half the time?
I guess hard core gaming on a plasma is no biggie either then?
How about leaving it on espn for half the time its on?
It just seems to contradict everything I have read here, in the plasma owners manuals, and my understanding of how plasma phosphors age.
Oh well, maybe I am wrong.
How will he not get uneven wear on those pixels that don't get used half the time?
I guess hard core gaming on a plasma is no biggie either then?
How about leaving it on espn for half the time its on?
It just seems to contradict everything I have read here, in the plasma owners manuals, and my understanding of how plasma phosphors age.
Oh well, maybe I am wrong.
No way.
DLP kills plasma in black levels, contrast, brightness, screen reflections and from my experience video noise. Not to mention the fact that you can get a larger screen with a higher resolution for less money. Yes plasma is better in many areas but to say that it is better in "just about every important category" seems a bit ridiculous to me. And I have owned both.
Cheers
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Originally Posted by s2mikey /forum/post/0
Anyways.... Plasma KILLS DLP in just about every important category including "coolness" so the comparison is non-existent, IMO.![]()
No way.
DLP kills plasma in black levels, contrast, brightness, screen reflections and from my experience video noise. Not to mention the fact that you can get a larger screen with a higher resolution for less money. Yes plasma is better in many areas but to say that it is better in "just about every important category" seems a bit ridiculous to me. And I have owned both.
Cheers
Kills Plasma in rainbows, wheel replacement, Bulb replacement noise generation.
LOL : )
Just kidding, just adding some levity, not trying to start another "My technology is better than yours debate".
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Originally Posted by paradigm20s /forum/post/0
No way.
DLP kills plasma in black levels, contrast, brightness, screen reflections and from my experience video noise. Not to mention the fact that you can get a larger screen with a higher resolution for less money. Yes plasma is better in many areas but to say that it is better in "just about every important category" seems a bit ridiculous to me. And I have owned both.
Cheers
Kills Plasma in rainbows, wheel replacement, Bulb replacement noise generation.
LOL : )
Just kidding, just adding some levity, not trying to start another "My technology is better than yours debate".
Hey now, I did choose a plama over a dlp so I know the positive attributes of plasma(bulb replacement is a big one!). The funny thing is that rainbows is one of the main reasons I returned my dlp. The sad thing is that I now see greenish/yellow rainbows on my plasma too! I thought I was losing it till I noticed the thread on here about them. They might even be more distracting than the DLP rainbows to me. I only see them when there is a high contrast seen like fast moving white against black background though. Bottom line is that there is no perfect technology for tv's yet IMHO.
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Originally Posted by DReilly1 /forum/post/0
Kills Plasma in rainbows, wheel replacement, Bulb replacement noise generation.
LOL : )
Hey now, I did choose a plama over a dlp so I know the positive attributes of plasma(bulb replacement is a big one!). The funny thing is that rainbows is one of the main reasons I returned my dlp. The sad thing is that I now see greenish/yellow rainbows on my plasma too! I thought I was losing it till I noticed the thread on here about them. They might even be more distracting than the DLP rainbows to me. I only see them when there is a high contrast seen like fast moving white against black background though. Bottom line is that there is no perfect technology for tv's yet IMHO.
DReilly1
So whats your take on this black bars not causing uneven wear at 50% of overall viewing. Are you of the opinion that it would be no biggie or that it will most likely lead to uneven wear?
Just curious
So whats your take on this black bars not causing uneven wear at 50% of overall viewing. Are you of the opinion that it would be no biggie or that it will most likely lead to uneven wear?
Just curious
Don't be surprised, I'm sure you've read similar reports on this forum in the past. I've stated this before and will do so again so that the next time you hear this, you will not be surprised.
This is my experience with my Pio plasma. Owners with different settings, owners of different brands, etc may experience IR differently, but here's my findings.
My set runs much more than 50% of the time in 4:3 with black bars. I hate stretching the image and here is what is watched on my set:
A. I have a 2yr old that watches a LOT of kids tv shows in 4:3
B. I never stretch network tv, which a ton of that is still SD and not broadcast in HD yet. Yes, many of the popular shows are in HD now, but there really is only a handful compared to the SD that is broadcast.
C. I also game for hours and hours at a time - probably not considered "hard-core", but I'll average 4-6 hrs in a sitting
I get IR - but it is no big deal. I can watch a show in HD and once that show is over, the IR is gone.
You can go by the manual if you'd like and only watch 4:3 for 10-15% if you'd like, but I'm not going to limit myself by those numbers.
Yeah, half of 4 hrs/day = 2 hrs/day of 4:3 viewing. You shouldn't be scaring people with this burn-in talk. Give your experience with your plasma and how you got BI or IR - not come here and tell someone they shouldn't go plasma because burn-in is an issue.
Like I said this is my experience with my Pioneer. To others - run your plasma how you want and see how it reacts. Adjust your viewing if you want and in response to how your set performs. If your set keeps IR forever and you don't want that to happen - do what you want to fix it or keep it from happening. Going by numbers on a page or what others tell you doesn't make sense - there is no hard rule on how IR will affect a plasma. Besides, IR is not a big deal if it goes away easily.
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Originally Posted by paradigm20s /forum/post/0
Wow, I am really surprised that this many people are telling someone it is fine to watch a plasma with black bars on the sides 50% the time.
How will he not get uneven wear on those pixels that don't get used half the time?
I guess hard core gaming on a plasma is no biggie either then?
How about leaving it on espn for half the time its on?
It just seems to contradict everything I have read here, in the plasma owners manuals, and my understanding of how plasma phosphors age.
Oh well, maybe I am wrong.
Don't be surprised, I'm sure you've read similar reports on this forum in the past. I've stated this before and will do so again so that the next time you hear this, you will not be surprised.
This is my experience with my Pio plasma. Owners with different settings, owners of different brands, etc may experience IR differently, but here's my findings.
My set runs much more than 50% of the time in 4:3 with black bars. I hate stretching the image and here is what is watched on my set:
A. I have a 2yr old that watches a LOT of kids tv shows in 4:3
B. I never stretch network tv, which a ton of that is still SD and not broadcast in HD yet. Yes, many of the popular shows are in HD now, but there really is only a handful compared to the SD that is broadcast.
C. I also game for hours and hours at a time - probably not considered "hard-core", but I'll average 4-6 hrs in a sitting
I get IR - but it is no big deal. I can watch a show in HD and once that show is over, the IR is gone.
You can go by the manual if you'd like and only watch 4:3 for 10-15% if you'd like, but I'm not going to limit myself by those numbers.
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Originally Posted by paradigm20s /forum/post/0
The original poster said that at least half of what he watched was going to have black bars!
I am no expert but I would make a bet that if half of what you watch on your plasma has the 4:3 black bars on the sides you will get burn in on that screen.
Yeah, half of 4 hrs/day = 2 hrs/day of 4:3 viewing. You shouldn't be scaring people with this burn-in talk. Give your experience with your plasma and how you got BI or IR - not come here and tell someone they shouldn't go plasma because burn-in is an issue.
Like I said this is my experience with my Pioneer. To others - run your plasma how you want and see how it reacts. Adjust your viewing if you want and in response to how your set performs. If your set keeps IR forever and you don't want that to happen - do what you want to fix it or keep it from happening. Going by numbers on a page or what others tell you doesn't make sense - there is no hard rule on how IR will affect a plasma. Besides, IR is not a big deal if it goes away easily.
Kr8z1,
My intention was not to scare anyone from away from buying anything. My assumption was that if he only watches 4:3 with black bars 50% of the time then say around 10,000 hours the area that has had black bars will have only been used 5000 hours and the rest of the screen would have 10,000 hours of use. I thought those phosphors would be a different age/brightness by that time. I understant that IR goes away but I thought if you were to give your set the same IR over and over it would lead to eventual burn-in. And yes I have seen similar reports of treat your plasma like any other tv but the reports from people telling others to vary their content in order to avoid BI seem to far outweigh them. 50% of one type of content just didn't seem that varied to me. I will go back and reread the burn-in and break in threads to get a better grasp on what can or will cause un-even wear.
To the original poster and others I obviously was incorrect about burn-in still being a concern with plasma and I appologise for misinforming you and others.
Cheers
My intention was not to scare anyone from away from buying anything. My assumption was that if he only watches 4:3 with black bars 50% of the time then say around 10,000 hours the area that has had black bars will have only been used 5000 hours and the rest of the screen would have 10,000 hours of use. I thought those phosphors would be a different age/brightness by that time. I understant that IR goes away but I thought if you were to give your set the same IR over and over it would lead to eventual burn-in. And yes I have seen similar reports of treat your plasma like any other tv but the reports from people telling others to vary their content in order to avoid BI seem to far outweigh them. 50% of one type of content just didn't seem that varied to me. I will go back and reread the burn-in and break in threads to get a better grasp on what can or will cause un-even wear.
To the original poster and others I obviously was incorrect about burn-in still being a concern with plasma and I appologise for misinforming you and others.
Cheers
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