[Phantom Gremlin]

Any ideas on what Denon might be announcing in the next few months? My current AVR doesn't have HDMI, so I've been living with component outputs. I'm thinking of simplifying my cables and getting something like the 3310ci, maybe the 2210ci but I like the idea of a network connection.


Will the 3311ci get a "must have" feature that the current model is missing? E.g. HDMI 1.4?

 

[TRT]

What kind of sources will you be connecting? Blu-ray? SACD? HD-DVD? What about your TV. Does it take a 1080p signal? Do you have a 7.1 speaker configuration? What kind? Would separates be a better option? Perhaps a BDP with 7.1 analog outputs would be a better choice if your receiver is a good one. Maybe the following product would be another option for you:

http://www.octavainc.com/HDMI%20swit..._7_1audio.html

 

[jdsmoothie]

It's virtually certain that all new 2011 model AVRs will have HDMI 1.4 and MCode told us that Denon demo'd the 2311 on down at CES. Although unless you will be replacing your BDP and HDTV with HDMI 1.4 as well, not really necessary to upgrade your AVR at this point.

 

[Phantom Gremlin]



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What kind of sources will you be connecting? Blu-ray? SACD? HD-DVD?

My sources are currently

DVD player, will replace soon with Oppo BDP-80

TiVo HD, 2 instances

Panasonic DVD recorder with S-video outputs

will eventually add a streamer like Roku or maybe a Mac Mini

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What about your TV. Does it take a 1080p signal?

Replaced an RPTV with a 52" Sony XBR about 1 yr ago, so theoretically no problems with 1080p, but haven't had anything to try it with yet!

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Do you have a 7.1 speaker configuration? What kind? Would separates be a better option?

I have 8 y/o Paradigm Reference Series speakers; they seem OK; no plans to replace them. The room setup is too small for 7.1, I think I will stick with 5.1. Room dimensions are about 12' wide x 14' deep x 9' high. Main seating position pretty close to back of room, and that back is mostly windows so it would be a PITA to even add back speakers. Similarly, ading "wide" speakers wouldn't work because of existing furniture, walls, etc.

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Perhaps a BDP with 7.1 analog outputs would be a better choice if your receiver is a good one.

My receiver is about 8 y/o Yamaha that works OK, but from what I read in this forum, Audyssey will help enormously. At this point IMO my current receiver is the "weakest link". The 3310ci seems like overkill, the 2310ci would work, but I don't like the idea of "carry in" service for what appears to be inevitable firmware updates in modern electronics.

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Maybe the following product would be another option for you:

http://www.octavainc.com/HDMI%20swit..._7_1audio.html

I've thought of something like that for me, but there is always that darn WAF thing. I suppose that issue can be successfully tamed with a good remote, but I haven't gone that route yet. I've trained the family to use the AVR remote to select an input, then use the appropriate device remote control for channel selection etc.

 

[jdsmoothie]



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Originally Posted by Phantom Gremlin /forum/post/18226620


The 3310ci seems like overkill, the 2310ci would work, but I don't like the idea of "carry in" service for what appears to be inevitable firmware updates in modern electronics.

The 2310 can be updated by the owner using a laptop. Click on the last link in my sig for the current update that is available for the 2310.

 

[Phantom Gremlin]



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The 2310 can be updated by the owner using a laptop. Click on the last link in my sig for the current update that is available for the 2310.

Very informative post on how to update using a laptop. Certainly a lot easier than dragging the receiver across town for service.


The Denon website shows a few other differences between the 2310ci and 3310ci. E.g. component input bandwidth is 100 MHz instead of 60 MHz. But I think for 1080i I won't need the higher performance, and ideally I will get rid of all my component inputs anyway.


Also HDMI 1.4 is doubtlessly the next great thing, but if my TV and Blu-Ray player don't support it, what's the point?! And I'm not about to replace a 1 y/o TV when there isn't any 3D to be had yet anyway.


It's hard for me to come up with a good reason to spend extra for the 3310ci. It's also hard for me to come up with a good reason to wait for xx11ci models. Maybe I can snag a good deal on the 2310ci soon.


Thank you TRT and jdsmoothie for the advice.

 

[Sparehead2]

They have announced. Looks like June.

I think I will wait.

 

[mallu2u]

Was thinking about the same. Should I get the denon 2310/3310 after the price drops or wait for the new 2010 line. Any big reason for one or the other?

 

[stretch]

on the same fence as you are. The new 3311 is a few hundred cheaper MSRP. However the 3310 is going for nearly 40 % off msrp at Amazon.com.

I'm stuck, and have no clue what to do. I like the Onkyo 3007 as well. looks to be a beefier AVR.

 

[DreamCatcher]



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Originally Posted by stretch /forum/post/18742958


on the same fence as you are. The new 3311 is a few hundred cheaper MSRP. However the 3310 is going for nearly 40 % off msrp at Amazon.com.

I'm stuck, and have no clue what to do. I like the Onkyo 3007 as well. looks to be a beefier AVR.

If 3D is NOT in your near future than I'd go with the bargain priced 3310. When you're ready for 3D the 3311 or 3312 or 3313 will be there.

And I'd stay far, far away from the buggy Onkyo's... but that's just me

DreamCatcher

 

[mallu2u]

Well, but once the 3311 comes out, would the price come down to around $650 anyways...all over the web? Therefore makes me think that it makes sense to just wait and see what people think of the new 3311 or 2311 and then decide. Dont care much about 3D as of now. Are Denons better than Pioneers as well?

 

[Motovet]

Look at Amazon today.....

 

[M Code]



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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher /forum/post/18743849


If 3D is NOT in your near future than I'd go with the bargain priced 3310. When you're ready for 3D the 3311 or 3312 or 3313 will be there.

And I'd stay far, far away from the buggy Onkyo's... but that's just me

DreamCatcher

Are you aware even though the 3311 is HDMI 1.4 it cannot handle all of the 3D formats.. It will handle the mandatory 3-D formats most talked about today, but doesn't have enough bandwidth to handle all the identified 3-D formats in the 1.4 specifications....


Unless 3-D is high on your must-have list, get the 3310. Note that the inventories of the 3310s are starting to dry up..


Just my $0.00..

 

[DreamCatcher]



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Originally Posted by M Code /forum/post/18747207


Are you aware even though the 3311 is HDMI 1.4 it cannot handle all of the 3D formats.. It will handle the mandatory 3-D formats most talked about today, but doesn't have enough bandwidth to handle all the identified 3-D formats in the 1.4 specifications....


Unless 3-D is high on your must-have list, get the 3310. Note that the inventories of the 3310s are starting to dry up..


Just my $0.00..

Interesting....

and even more reason to stay away from the 3311 and such.

When/What will support the bandwidth required for ALL 3D formats?


DreamCatcher

 

[Charles R]

There are other upgrades for the new models. Such as Audyssey MultEQ XT, a little more power, more HDMI inputs, 7.2 instead of 7.1, Pandora and new remotes for the 3311. Add them all up and there can be quite a difference (based on one's wants).

 

[wcs dancer]

I wanted to wait for the 3311, primarily for the MultEQ XT, but Big River has a most excellent price on the 3310 that I just couldn't resist.

 

[Faustgeist]

Quick questions here..


I am in the market for a brand new AVR... and one of my hopes is to have Audyssey DSX.


I know that the 3310CI can be firmware updated for $100


From Denon's site on the new version of this AVR :


"It (the new 3311) comes equipped with Audyssey’s new DSX surround processor, which derives front height or front width channels for a dramatically expanded front soundstage."


How, if anything is this different from the firmware upgrade available to the 3310CI?


I have read a bunch of headaches about updating the 3310 on the 'official owners thread'. Is the reduction in price worth the problems with updating the less expensive unit?


I am hoping DSX (emphasizing width) is the bomb... and am not sure what a difference MultEQ vs MultEQ XT really is....



Any thoughts would be great!


Thanks all,

~Robin

 

[jdsmoothie]

The DSX upgrade is the same feature as that installed on the 3311. Not sure how you can have "a bunch of headaches about updating the 3310" if you don't even own the 3310?

AFAIK, the 3311 already has a firmware update and it was just released, so you'll be dealing with firmware updates with either model.

 

[Faustgeist]

Oops, JD,


A misspelling got me. I mean to say that I have read many forum members having issues with the 3310CI's ethernet card and the firmware upgrade process.


Just check with you experts

Allow me then to focus on the MultEQ. What sort of difference does MultiEQ XT make (over the normal MultiEQ) when Audyssey is making it's calibrations and adjustments? At least in ya'll experiences.


Thanks a ton,


~Robin

 

[jdsmoothie]

Audyssey MultEQ XT uses more advanced filters as well as 2 additional data positions. Some have said they noticed the difference moving up from a lower level model from MultEQ to XT, although one poster in another thread noted he did not notice a difference when he went from an older year XT model to a newer lower level model with only MultEQ. Likely depends on the quality of your speakers.