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I am about to purchase my first projector and it will probably be Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 8350. I am a techie but totally ignorant about projection.


My family room has a lot of light, but I plan to put blinds. I will probably watch movies mostly when it is dark but definitely want to be able to watch (or have the kids watch) during the day.


The projection distance will be 12' and the picture size about 120". Sitting distance would be around 10'


I need a roll-up screen, as it will be in front of the TV. I do not mind manual and I do not have to have a remote if it is electric. From my reading, tension screen looks like a really good idea - I don't like the idea of having to deal with waves.


Can you please help me with my research? What would be the best decision up to $500? what would be the best decision under or around $1000?


Many thanks!
 

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The Da-Lite High Power 2.8 gain fabric has good off axis light rejection. (Ensure that you specify the 2.8 gain fabric. Da-Lite also has a High Power 2.4 gain material that has poor off axis light rejection.) You can get this material in a Model C (manual) or a Contour Electrol (electric) for around your price points after discounts. Contact one of the AV Science sales reps for price quotes.


Check out the High Power thread ( http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=773065 ) for more information on this material. Note that you'll need to mount your projector close to eye level to take advantage of the gain. Contact Da-Lite for a sample.
 

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Opting for an electric is mostly a convenience option. It may be a bit gentler on the fabric than a manual pull down however.


Waves are not easily noticed on retro-reflective screens like the HP. Read the High Power thread referenced earlier for more details. Da-Lite customer support provided the following responses when I had asked them about waves and tensioning on the HP 2.4 fabric. Their comments also apply to the 2.8 material.:


"We can only tension vinyl surfaces. The 2.4 gain material is fiberglass based. It won't stretch as easy as the vinyl. This is why we can't use it on a tensioned screen. Our closest higher gain tensioned surface is pearlescent, but it is a 1.5 gain compared to the 2.4 of the high power. The fiberglass surfaces like high power are more self supportive and do not need the tension like vinyl screen. We will install a weight bar in the bottom of the surface to hold it tight. Most waves in a surface are caused by the aluminum roller it is attached to. If the roller is straight the surface will hang flat. If it is curved or deflected the surface will have waves. This is true for both tensioned and non-tensioned screens. Both the tensioned and non-tensioned Contour use a 3.25" diameter aluminum roller. You can order high power on a fixed frame screen, but it can be very difficult to snap all the way on the frame since it doesn't stretch as well as the traditional vinyl surfaces."


"All of our screens will have a 1 year warranty. If you have waves in the surface you would have to contact the dealers for a replacement. You would not have to pay any extra shipping cost. We also inspect all of our screens with a bright light once they are manufactured. This will show any waves or imperfections in the surface. If we see anything that shouldn't be there the surface is scrapped out and a new screen is made. We always try to get it right the first time, because replacements do cost us money, but if something does show up in your screen we'll replace it."
 

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NOTE: Please take the time to read the info on the HP before you buy it. If you plan on ceiling mounting your projector the HP is probably not the bet fabric for your purpose. Again, Please read the HP threads and learn a little about screen surfaces and what makes one different than another. IF properly set up and used in a manner that takes advantage of the screen properties it is the best thing since sliced bread!


NOTE: Once you have done dome research you will also realize that day time viewing with very much light in the room is not going to happen. I guess kids watching cartoons won't care about picture quality but I think you will find, unless you darken the room and have dark walls and ceiling, the TV is going to be much more enjoyable during the day.


So my best advice is: Read and lean a bit more about screens, lighting, surface reflection and light control. Also check out the DIY sub forum if you are so inclined to do things yourself.


I LOVE my HP screen and will most likely never own anything else, but you have to set up your environment for it to be at it's best.


Good luck


Some good reading.

HP review (first few pages ) http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=773065


HP 2.8 vrs 2.4
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1213577


White Grey Silver
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=262466


Different material showcased
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=240074


High gains
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=228371


Don't be surprised new screens stink sometimes!
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?t=1293089a


Waves
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1260001
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ighlight=waves


Screen size
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ating+distance
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ating+distance
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ating+distance


Retroflective vs. Angular reflective
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ating+distance


Technical screen fabric review
http://accucalhd.com/documents/accuc...een_report.pdf


DIY (Start with the stickies at the top of this page)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=110
 

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Many thanks for the detailed replies.

I will certainly do some reading to do now.


I am not expecting to be able to use the screen when the room is lit. I also plan to install curtains. My expectation is: (1) to be able to use the screen with some light in the room; (2) to get the best performance at night, when there is minimum light. I am willing to sacrifice the daytime quality a lot in order to enjoy the best quality at night.


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Speakers! Where are they? If they will be behind a roll-up/pull-down screen, you need to be thinking acoustic transparent (AT). If not behind the screen, maybe they could be? For serious movie watching, AT puts the sounds (voices) behind the screen and closer to the actor's mouths, not below the screen.
 

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Originally Posted by SteveHorn /forum/post/19658750


Speakers! Where are they? If they will be behind a roll-up/pull-down screen, you need to be thinking acoustic transparent (AT). If not behind the screen, maybe they could be? For serious movie watching, AT puts the sounds (voices) behind the screen and closer to the actor's mouths, not below the screen.

His seating distance is 10'. umr's fabric review showed there were no AT screens that did not show texture with seating distances less than 11-14'
http://accucalhd.com/documents/accuc...een_report.pdf
 

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His seating distance is 10'. umr's fabric review showed there were no AT screens that did not show texture with seating distances less than 11-14'
http://accucalhd.com/documents/accuc...een_report.pdf

Agreed. If an AT screen is a possibility, then samples (preferably 2 ft x 2ft or larger) should be obtained and tested with his projector. I've tested two - Seymour Center Stage and Screen Excellence 4K - at 12 ft without a problem. But his eyesight results may vary. The ability to see the fabric weave (if woven is chosen instead of perf) is dependent upon the fabric itself, its tilt, projector, as well as eyesight. Just pointing out that an AT screen should be considered for its benefits if the geometry of the room allows.
 
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