[octocom19]

Hi All,

It's been many years since I have used Calman and I would like to calibrate my old samsung quantum dot JS9000.

I have a x-rite i1Display reb b meter and looking through the forums I don't have the correct Meter Mode profile, the last one I used was LCD LED Blue GREEN.

Can you provide me a sample matrix for me to create a profile meter mode or can is there a process to convert the displaycal CCSS or can I use data from colorimetercorrections displaycal please see examples below.

thanks all

colorimetercorrections site

CCMX

DESCRIPTOR "i1pro i1d3 Samsung Q9 75"""
INSTRUMENT "X-Rite i1 DisplayPro, ColorMunki Display"
MANUFACTURER_ID "SAM"
MANUFACTURER "Samsung Electric Company"
OBSERVER "1931_2"
REFERENCE_OBSERVER "1931_2"
DISPLAY "SAMSUNG"
TECHNOLOGY "LCD White LED"
DISPLAY_TYPE_BASE_ID "1"
DISPLAY_TYPE_REFRESH "NO"
REFERENCE "GretagMacbeth i1 Pro"
REFERENCE_HASH "md5:58b52aa04fee69f7dd3cb8e2225911a9"
TARGET_HASH "md5:ccf8abf81b643f36d3a57f8c3b1421f3"
FIT_METHOD "ΔE*94"
FIT_AVG_DE00 "0.042051"
FIT_MAX_DE00 "0.067248"
FIT_AVG_DE94 "0.056442"
FIT_MAX_DE94 "0.090912"
ORIGINATOR "Argyll ccmx"
CREATED "Thu Dec 27 19:23:22 2018"
COLOR_REP "XYZ"

NUMBER_OF_FIELDS 3
BEGIN_DATA_FORMAT
XYZ_X XYZ_Y XYZ_Z
END_DATA_FORMAT

NUMBER_OF_SETS 3
BEGIN_DATA
0.957439 0.0114681 0.0119106
-0.0150797 0.974462 0.00786899
0.0152469 -0.0154438 1.013786
END_DATA


Samsung Q9 75_ (i1 Pro)

CCSS

DESCRIPTOR "Samsung Q9 75"" (i1 Pro)"
ORIGINATOR "Argyll ccxxmake"
CREATED "Fri May 03 15:49:54 2019"
REFERENCE "GretagMacbeth i1 Pro"
REFERENCE_FILENAME "E:\Users\Id\Downloads\Samsung Q9 75inch.ti3"
REFERENCE_HASH "md5:58b52aa04fee69f7dd3cb8e2225911a9"
FIT_METHOD "ΔE*94"
MANUFACTURER_ID "SAM"
MANUFACTURER "Samsung Electric Company"
DISPLAY "SAMSUNG"
TECHNOLOGY "Unknown"
DISPLAY_TYPE_REFRESH "YES"
SPECTRAL_BANDS "109"
SPECTRAL_START_NM "370.000000"
SPECTRAL_END_NM "730.000000"
SPECTRAL_NORM "1.000000"

NUMBER_OF_FIELDS 110
BEGIN_DATA_FORMAT
SAMPLE_ID SPEC_370 SPEC_373 SPEC_377 SPEC_380 SPEC_383 SPEC_387 SPEC_390 SPEC_393 SPEC_397 SPEC_400 SPEC_403 SPEC_407 SPEC_410 SPEC_413 SPEC_417 SPEC_420 SPEC_423 SPEC_427 SPEC_430 SPEC_433 SPEC_437 SPEC_440 SPEC_443 SPEC_447 SPEC_450 SPEC_453 SPEC_457 SPEC_460 SPEC_463 SPEC_467 SPEC_470 SPEC_473 SPEC_477 SPEC_480 SPEC_483 SPEC_487 SPEC_490 SPEC_493 SPEC_497 SPEC_500 SPEC_503 SPEC_507 SPEC_510 SPEC_513 SPEC_517 SPEC_520 SPEC_523 SPEC_527 SPEC_530 SPEC_533 SPEC_537 SPEC_540 SPEC_543 SPEC_547 SPEC_550 SPEC_553 SPEC_557 SPEC_560 SPEC_563 SPEC_567 SPEC_570 SPEC_573 SPEC_577 SPEC_580 SPEC_583 SPEC_587 SPEC_590 SPEC_593 SPEC_597 SPEC_600 SPEC_603 SPEC_607 SPEC_610 SPEC_613 SPEC_617 SPEC_620 SPEC_623 SPEC_627 SPEC_630 SPEC_633 SPEC_637 SPEC_640 SPEC_643 SPEC_647 SPEC_650 SPEC_653 SPEC_657 SPEC_660 SPEC_663 SPEC_667 SPEC_670 SPEC_673 SPEC_677 SPEC_680 SPEC_683 SPEC_687 SPEC_690 SPEC_693 SPEC_697 SPEC_700 SPEC_703 SPEC_707 SPEC_710 SPEC_713 SPEC_717 SPEC_720 SPEC_723 SPEC_727 SPEC_730
END_DATA_FORMAT

NUMBER_OF_SETS 4
BEGIN_DATA
1 0.483630 0.287269 0.215269 0.215624 0.238983 0.235413 0.213173 0.206094 0.208003 0.195267 0.198222 0.205941 0.243013 0.366024 0.611464 1.164668 2.420253 5.020255 10.27465 20.45815 37.61650 61.20335 85.65922 100.0000 95.92582 78.50387 60.57283 46.98424 35.54832 25.19509 17.05998 11.75572 8.496996 6.408013 5.101372 4.437166 4.317480 4.710386 5.616602 7.043345 9.207244 12.48631 16.96435 22.42682 28.94605 36.74173 45.43185 53.79002 60.56535 65.49827 68.34470 68.19345 64.52477 58.21115 50.61818 42.74589 35.19988 28.39739 22.50095 17.50996 13.44791 10.28273 7.909303 6.156957 4.946611 4.317781 4.349085 5.209096 7.080063 10.15670 14.53501 20.12540 26.81699 34.47189 42.85410 51.28518 58.65221 63.90885 66.62710 66.65737 64.05750 59.15684 52.67801 45.48855 38.37099 31.71571 25.74797 20.70423 16.67605 13.53005 11.05734 9.067013 7.493352 6.167531 5.162360 4.376108 3.696632 3.204631 2.783498 2.438462 2.221489 2.151760 1.915014 1.631743 1.528274 1.469752 1.430033 1.447356 1.488009
2 0.200891 0.123463 0.0804484 0.0928871 0.117141 0.0860569 0.0578871 0.0673262 0.0582099 0.0478551 0.0473635 0.0467450 0.0496394 0.0553164 0.0615173 0.0614389 0.0675742 0.0654681 0.0651548 0.0808903 0.110489 0.155377 0.201962 0.224565 0.216747 0.196566 0.175371 0.166160 0.161919 0.137959 0.118231 0.107499 0.0985190 0.0895716 0.0831924 0.0746587 0.0665065 0.0693736 0.0712828 0.0686540 0.0725657 0.0809042 0.0854801 0.0877598 0.0866187 0.0902877 0.0929551 0.0944907 0.0969837 0.0983554 0.100288 0.0996277 0.0945943 0.0852247 0.0776574 0.0726784 0.0674296 0.0647627 0.0647300 0.0671281 0.0717587 0.0844214 0.115135 0.189497 0.365408 0.764828 1.566421 2.998923 5.298936 8.678040 13.25599 19.00817 25.80634 33.56134 42.02470 50.52022 57.92859 63.23097 65.96681 66.01377 63.43434 58.55682 52.12923 45.01590 37.94347 31.31695 25.36897 20.32782 16.29034 13.14519 10.69410 8.728015 7.171684 5.917424 4.941891 4.160174 3.552236 3.055886 2.655969 2.323241 2.085258 2.018365 1.802859 1.521027 1.362673 1.269727 1.214058 1.167602 1.148060
3 0.237733 0.150973 0.112216 0.121973 0.131652 0.101623 0.0945946 0.0806217 0.0695892 0.0657076 0.0564367 0.0650859 0.0757634 0.0812991 0.0839820 0.0832963 0.0898673 0.0964011 0.101386 0.113806 0.137434 0.201677 0.337587 0.526446 0.697410 0.757308 0.681209 0.531016 0.366387 0.239631 0.186434 0.223502 0.378663 0.669588 1.068262 1.513827 1.998394 2.601297 3.458394 4.668046 6.442093 9.147691 12.95098 17.75981 23.72395 31.10706 39.60820 48.13090 55.45047 61.13812 64.85592 65.57173 62.64888 56.90234 49.70893 42.09448 34.74134 28.06320 22.23573 17.29662 13.26307 10.10562 7.712734 5.908054 4.548892 3.528937 2.757955 2.179885 1.753712 1.446648 1.212692 1.030098 0.882355 0.752734 0.645121 0.562944 0.503409 0.438548 0.386837 0.348653 0.295085 0.246549 0.218498 0.198035 0.190464 0.175427 0.146632 0.137909 0.152019 0.163990 0.166907 0.159061 0.216116 0.214363 0.193100 0.184872 0.163090 0.158475 0.162988 0.163530 0.211750 0.359564 0.317661 0.200700 0.190426 0.212484 0.258978 0.323779 0.397758
4 0.444878 0.226388 0.165600 0.184426 0.208599 0.196962 0.171581 0.157056 0.153383 0.150917 0.154551 0.168258 0.215689 0.315419 0.539384 1.081971 2.305361 4.848951 9.966195 19.87205 36.56809 59.49237 83.18300 96.93430 92.75699 75.69388 58.27913 45.19303 34.21819 24.26694 16.38932 11.18452 7.858980 5.537220 3.888133 2.807699 2.226875 2.015739 2.046506 2.251381 2.622352 3.164212 3.809677 4.394039 4.875235 5.214418 5.332993 5.115925 4.573764 3.808844 2.941036 2.085626 1.362921 0.820358 0.458996 0.250169 0.145190 0.0963955 0.0757972 0.0622861 0.0517333 0.0581336 0.0630094 0.0699312 0.0713191 0.0765397 0.0776828 0.0683016 0.0730419 0.0696616 0.0674305 0.0728885 0.0751061 0.0718804 0.0786301 0.0831176 0.0856652 0.0881742 0.106938 0.112390 0.113689 0.119194 0.137188 0.159158 0.163563 0.181846 0.218705 0.265733 0.305882 0.328850 0.299254 0.249013 0.269606 0.252298 0.218870 0.184929 0.160145 0.139001 0.138604 0.135665 0.167471 0.321911 0.276224 0.176231 0.193747 0.172262 0.192949 0.230270 0.306944
END_DATA

 

[Rolls-Royce]

People here have asked pretty much the same questions about WOLEDs, but I don't think anyone has yet been able to do what you want to do. Try using "RAW XYZ" instead.

 

[octocom19]

People here have asked pretty much the same questions about WOLEDs, but I don't think anyone has yet been able to do what you want to do. Try using "RAW XYZ" instead.

Thank you for your advice Royce, much appreciated. I will stick with your suggestion as I don't have much experience.

I sort of figured out my own question though, but not having the experience I don't know if the results would be any good.

I noticed the config file contains number of fields 3 which contains XYZ_X XYZ_Y XYZ_Z and the 2nd contains the data. When I look at Calman the matrix profile fields match up for XYZ_X XYZ_Y XYZ_Z .

NUMBER_OF_FIELDS 3
BEGIN_DATA_FORMAT
XYZ_X XYZ_Y XYZ_Z
END_DATA_FORMAT

NUMBER_OF_SETS 3
BEGIN_DATA
0.88387134 -0.0236766 -0.00610182
0.02070533 0.83277329 -0.00318322
0.01130281 -0.00491452 0.83658539
END_DATA

Luke

 

[Rolls-Royce]

Thank you for your advice Royce, much appreciated. I will stick with your suggestion as I don't have much experience.

I sort of figured out my own question though, but not having the experience I don't know if the results would be any good.

I noticed the config file contains number of fields 3 which contains XYZ_X XYZ_Y XYZ_Z and the 2nd contains the data. When I look at Calman the matrix profile fields match up for XYZ_X XYZ_Y XYZ_Z .

NUMBER_OF_FIELDS 3
BEGIN_DATA_FORMAT
XYZ_X XYZ_Y XYZ_Z
END_DATA_FORMAT

NUMBER_OF_SETS 3
BEGIN_DATA
0.88387134 -0.0236766 -0.00610182
0.02070533 0.83277329 -0.00318322
0.01130281 -0.00491452 0.83658539
END_DATA

Luke

You could try entering it, but I'm not sure that CalMAN's meter profiler allows manual entry, especially into the matrix itself. I've never tried to do that, honestly.

 

[WiFi-Spy]

You could try entering it, but I'm not sure that CalMAN's meter profiler allows manual entry, especially into the matrix itself. I've never tried to do that, honestly.

If you have an EDR You could in theory just rename it to an existing one’s name and replace that one. They are stored in the c:/ProgramData/spectracal/xx directory.

 

[Vicent]

EDR/CCSS are used to compute on the fly a matrix 3x3 correction for your particular colorimeter unit (not model, YOUR colorimeter). RAW RGB readings that colorimeter USB command provide need to be translated to XYZ coordinates, even without choosing a correction. The computed matrix will be RAW RGB in -> corrected XYZ out, which is not the same as conventional 3x3 matrices with uncorrected XYZ in -> corrected XYZ out.

ArgyllCMS with a high logging/debug/versose option (-d4 or -d3 I do not remember) can output those RAW RGB to XYZ matrices, for example executing spotread or some simple & fast operation.
Use it with and without QLED CCSS, you'll get 2 matrices and this equation holds:

M_3x3_calman * M_without_ccss = M_ccss

Solve it, them use it as custom user matrix for RAW XYZ mode in Calman.
Double check readings with DisplayCAL/Argyll/HFCR and Calman.


Hint: Matrix multiplication is non conmutative, multiply on the right.

 

[octocom19]

EDR/CCSS are used to compute on the fly a matrix 3x3 correction for your particular colorimeter unit (not model, YOUR colorimeter). RAW RGB readings that colorimeter USB command provide need to be translated to XYZ coordinates, even without choosing a correction. The computed matrix will be RAW RGB in -> corrected XYZ out, which is not the same as conventional 3x3 matrices with uncorrected XYZ in -> corrected XYZ out.

ArgyllCMS with a high logging/debug/versose option (-d4 or -d3 I do not remember) can output those RAW RGB to XYZ matrices, for example executing spotread or some simple & fast operation.
Use it with and without QLED CCSS, you'll get 2 matrices and this equation holds:

M_3x3_calman * M_without_ccss = M_ccss

Solve it, them use it as custom user matrix for RAW XYZ mode in Calman.
Double check readings with DisplayCAL/Argyll/HFCR and Calman.


Hint: Matrix multiplication is non conmutative, multiply on the right.

Great thanks you Vincent and all. It's great to be pointed in the right direction will have a good play with it this weekend and see if I can get my head around it.

 

[ConnecTEDDD]

Hi guys,

If you have an EDR You could in theory just rename it to an existing one’s name and replace that one. They are stored in the c:/ProgramData/spectracal/xx directory.

The CalMAN user is talking for two specific ArgyllCMS format files ('CCMX' or 'CCSS') he has found but you reply what to do with in theory with different file format 'EDR'.

Great thanks you Vincent and all. It's great to be pointed in the right direction will have a good play with it this weekend and see if I can get my head around it.

You have found 2 corrections files for the Samsung Q9, but its for HCFR/DisplayCAL/ArgyllCMS,...but you want to use them for CalMAN.....OK, no problem.

But when you are using CCSS correction, you assume that the internal spectral data of X-Rite meter from the factory hasn't drifted, since the internal meter spectra + CCSS spectra data are combined to create a correction matrix.

You could try entering it, but I'm not sure that CalMAN's meter profiler allows manual entry, especially into the matrix itself. I've never tried to do that, honestly.

Using other people CCMX file will not work, only if you have your own meters combo (colorimeter+spectro) you can create matrix based correction (CCMX = Colorimeter Correction Matrix) which will be only valid for your current meters/display.

For that reason it will not work (I mean it will not be correct method) if you manually enter other people 3x3 CCMS matrix data inside your CalMAN meter profile 3x3 matrix area.

If you have your own spectro, you can create a 3x3 matrix from HCFR using i1Display PRO and then import it manually to CalMAN for your i1Display PRO.

But since you have found a CCSS file for the i1Display PRO, you can use i1Display PRO with that specific CCSS file loaded and you will measure 4 WRGB patches from inside HCFR, note to a text time the 4 xyY readings (these numbers will be used as reference meter readings later.)

Then you take the same measurements from inside CalMAN with 'RAW XYZ' mode selected, so you will have 4 xyY readings, note them also.

Now with these 8 xyY numbers you have collected, you will use the Four Color Matrix Utility of CalMAN to convert these reading to a 3x3 Four Color Matrix, which later you will import manually to your CalMAN. (see to your CalMAN folders in Start Menu)

Using Right Mouse Click and Paste... (note to transfer to the correct numbers of coordinates/luminance per each color to each tab)

Paste the HCFR to Reference Meter Data and the CalMAN to the Target Meter Data.

When you will finish, the Four Color Matrix Tool will generate a 3x3 XYZ matrix:

The last step is to copy paste the matrix inside your CalMAN.

You have to open the meter settings, at the bottom click to create a new profile 'Add Profile'...I have renamed it as 'External Profile to that picture.

For your colorimeter, since you are using i1Display PRO, select RAW XYZ table, from the display type list.

Then using Right Click, copy-paste the 9 numbers to each number tab.

Then you can continue using your CalMAN but with correct meter profiling loaded.

Note that you have to use the exact same patterns per each software measurements, because you don't want any difference of patch generation settings (levels) or window size to affect your results, you can use some external patterns which will be the same for these 4+4 readings. (+4 for verification)

At the end of all the procure, measure again the 4 WRGB patches from CalMAN to see if your readings are close to the HCFR readings (reference meter), procedure called as meter profile verification.

 

[Vicent]

But when you are using CCSS correction, you assume that the internal spectral data of X-Rite meter from the factory hasn't drifted, since the internal meter spectra + CCSS spectra data are combined to create a correction matrix.

The trick I wrote is to get a 3x3 matrix equivalent to a given CCSS for a particular i1d3. Nothing more nothing less, just the same as that CCSS (maybe some rounding errors since RAW RGB to XYZ matrices plotted by Argyll trace info will be 4 o 5 decimal places, I do not remember)

But since you have found a CCSS file for the i1Display PRO, you can use i1Display PRO with that specific CCSS file loaded and you will measure 4 WRGB patches from inside HCFR, note to a text time the 4 xyY readings (these numbers will be used as reference meter readings later.)

Then you take the same measurements from inside CalMAN with 'RAW XYZ' mode selected, so you will have 4 xyY readings, note them also.

Now with these 8 xyY numbers you have collected, you will use the Four Color Matrix Utility of CalMAN to convert these reading to a 3x3 Four Color Matrix, which later you will import manually to your CalMAN. (see to your CalMAN folders in Start Menu)

Using Right Mouse Click and Paste... (note to transfer to the correct numbers of coordinates/luminance per each color to each tab)

Paste the HCFR to Reference Meter Data and the CalMAN to the Target Meter Data.

When you will finish, the Four Color Matrix Tool will generate a 3x3 XYZ matrix:

The last step is to copy paste the matrix inside your CalMAN.

You have to open the meter settings, at the bottom click to create a new profile 'Add Profile'...I have renamed it as 'External Profile to that picture.

For your colorimeter, since you are using i1Display PRO, select RAW XYZ table, from the display type list.

Then using Right Click, copy-paste the 9 numbers to each number tab.

Then you can continue using your CalMAN but with correct meter profiling loaded.

Note that you have to use the exact same patterns per each software measurements, because you don't want any difference of patch generation settings (levels) or window size to affect your results, you can use some external patterns which will be the same for these 4+4 readings. (+4 for verification)

At the end of all the procure, measure again the 4 WRGB patches from CalMAN to see if your readings are close to the HCFR readings (reference meter), procedure called as meter profile verification.

That is a nice way to avoid octocom19 dealing with matrix multiplication & inversion if he is not familiar with it. Cool.

 

[Vicent]

BTW, that 3x3 matrix manual input from user like we see in Calman or text file based like ArgyllCMS should be mandatory. I'll talking about LG, Benq, Asus guys & etc and their HW cal software.

If they do not want to update or pay for new EDRs in their HW calibrarion packages then let us put the right correction as a matrix by ourselves... maybe I asking too much.

 

[octocom19]

Hi guys,



The CalMAN user is talking for two specific ArgyllCMS format files ('CCMX' or 'CCSS') he has found but you reply what to do with in theory with different file format 'EDR'.



You have found 2 corrections files for the Samsung Q9, but its for HCFR/DisplayCAL/ArgyllCMS,...but you want to use them for CalMAN.....OK, no problem.

But when you are using CCSS correction, you assume that the internal spectral data of X-Rite meter from the factory hasn't drifted, since the internal meter spectra + CCSS spectra data are combined to create a correction matrix.



Using other people CCMX file will not work, only if you have your own meters combo (colorimeter+spectro) you can create matrix based correction (CCMX = Colorimeter Correction Matrix) which will be only valid for your current meters/display.

For that reason it will not work (I mean it will not be correct method) if you manually enter other people 3x3 CCMS matrix data inside your CalMAN meter profile 3x3 matrix area.

If you have your own spectro, you can create a 3x3 matrix from HCFR using i1Display PRO and then import it manually to CalMAN for your i1Display PRO.

But since you have found a CCSS file for the i1Display PRO, you can use i1Display PRO with that specific CCSS file loaded and you will measure 4 WRGB patches from inside HCFR, note to a text time the 4 xyY readings (these numbers will be used as reference meter readings later.)

Then you take the same measurements from inside CalMAN with 'RAW XYZ' mode selected, so you will have 4 xyY readings, note them also.

Now with these 8 xyY numbers you have collected, you will use the Four Color Matrix Utility of CalMAN to convert these reading to a 3x3 Four Color Matrix, which later you will import manually to your CalMAN. (see to your CalMAN folders in Start Menu)

Using Right Mouse Click and Paste... (note to transfer to the correct numbers of coordinates/luminance per each color to each tab)

Paste the HCFR to Reference Meter Data and the CalMAN to the Target Meter Data.

When you will finish, the Four Color Matrix Tool will generate a 3x3 XYZ matrix:

The last step is to copy paste the matrix inside your CalMAN.

You have to open the meter settings, at the bottom click to create a new profile 'Add Profile'...I have renamed it as 'External Profile to that picture.

For your colorimeter, since you are using i1Display PRO, select RAW XYZ table, from the display type list.

Then using Right Click, copy-paste the 9 numbers to each number tab.

Then you can continue using your CalMAN but with correct meter profiling loaded.

Note that you have to use the exact same patterns per each software measurements, because you don't want any difference of patch generation settings (levels) or window size to affect your results, you can use some external patterns which will be the same for these 4+4 readings. (+4 for verification)

At the end of all the procure, measure again the 4 WRGB patches from CalMAN to see if your readings are close to the HCFR readings (reference meter), procedure called as meter profile verification.

Hi Ted,

Thank you for taking the time to explain and detail what to do it's really appreciated. I would imagine anybody else who has a Samsung QLED might benefit from this? it seems a common question around the fourms.

 

[ConnecTEDDD]

Hi Ted,

Thank you for taking the time to explain and detail what to do it's really appreciated. I would imagine anybody else who has a Samsung QLED might benefit from this? it seems a common question around the fourms.

Hi,

The same procedure you perform when you will find any other ArgyllCMS CCSS file, or if you have ChromaPure for example with PRO meter tables there....just you use as reference the WRGB readings you will take from inside ChromaPure.

The same procedure you perform when you want to use any EDR table that is not available in CalMAN for i1Display PRO users....but you see it to other software, like HCFR or LightSpace ZRO.

For example, inside the LightSpace (ZRO...free license level) folder you found 3 EDR files that are not available inside to CalMAN folder, but they have created from X-Rite. (Ask CalMAN why they are not available)

I have highlight these 3 EDR files to the picture below:

For users to have a better idea when they can use the these EDR files, its for the following display types:

The PFS_Phosphor_Family_31Jan17.edr is for WLED display's backlight using are potassium fluorosilicate (PFS) phosphors; displays with narrow narrow band emitting white LED's with 'DCI-P3' gamut coverage.

The NEC_64_690E_PA242W_2013-02-28.edr is for NEC PAxx2 series AH-IPS GBr LED displays, its been used spectral sample from NEC PA242W.

The FSI_XM55U_23Jan19.edr is for LG OLEDs 2018 panel based models, since FSI use the same glass as C8. The spectral data used for this EDR has been generated from the FSI XM55U display (~15K$ post production monitor).

These 3 EDR spectral correction files for i1Display PRO users has been created from X-Rite directly and its available from LightSpace (which using X-Rite SDK) and from HCFR/DisplayCAL (which using custom code programing to operate the i1Display PRO's and not X-Rite SDK).

 

[octocom19]

Hi,

The same procedure you perform when you will find any other ArgyllCMS CCSS file, or if you have ChromaPure for example with PRO meter tables there....just you use as reference the WRGB readings you will take from inside ChromaPure.

The same procedure you perform when you want to use any EDR table that is not available in CalMAN for i1Display PRO users....but you see it to other software, like HCFR or LightSpace ZRO.

For example, inside the LightSpace (ZRO...free license level) folder you found 3 EDR files that are not available inside to CalMAN folder, but they have created from X-Rite. (Ask CalMAN why they are not available)

I have highlight these 3 EDR files to the picture below:

For users to have a better idea when they can use the these EDR files, its for the following display types:

The PFS_Phosphor_Family_31Jan17.edr is for WLED display's backlight using are potassium fluorosilicate (PFS) phosphors; displays with narrow narrow band emitting white LED's with 'DCI-P3' gamut coverage.

The NEC_64_690E_PA242W_2013-02-28.edr is for NEC PAxx2 series AH-IPS GBr LED displays, its been used spectral sample from NEC PA242W.

The FSI_XM55U_23Jan19.edr is for LG OLEDs 2018 panel based models, since FSI use the same glass as C8. The spectral data used for this EDR has been generated from the FSI XM55U display (~15K$ post production monitor).

These 3 EDR spectral correction files for i1Display PRO users has been created from X-Rite directly and its available from LightSpace (which using X-Rite SDK) and from HCFR/DisplayCAL (which using custom code programing to operate the i1Display PRO's and not X-Rite SDK).

This is great, so the user has an i1 Display Pro can use RAW XYZ or if they are willing to go the extra mile can use follow your guide. I wounder if the Samsung thread would benefit from this? or is the samsung calman software too basic?

The EDR files has anyone attempted to modify the I1D3Mapping strings e.g. add id 23 for PFS_Phosphor_Family , add the EDR files in C:\ProgramData\SpectraCal\CalMAN 5 for Business\Data\i1D3 ?? maybe a modification in the SQLlite db would also be required?

 

[Vicent]

This is great, so the user has an i1 Display Pro can use RAW XYZ or if they are willing to go the extra mile can use follow your guide. I wounder if the Samsung thread would benefit from this? or is the samsung calman software too basic?

The EDR files has anyone attempted to modify the I1D3Mapping strings e.g. add id 23 for PFS_Phosphor_Family , add the EDR files in C:\ProgramData\SpectraCal\CalMAN 5 for Business\Data\i1D3 ?? maybe a modification in the SQLlite db would also be required?

Beware, PFS_Phosphor_Family has several WRGB samples with different gamuts packed in a single EDR: some P3 others AdobeRGB (and limited to AdobeRGB unlike HP Z24x EDR).

For DCI P3 95% displays with WLED PFS backlight I would take as a first approach the other P3 WLED PFS from Xrite: "Panasonic VVX17P051J00". It is available in i1Profiler and DisplayCAL and other tools

 

[Guarddog13]

If I follow Ted's directions in post

Hi guys,



The CalMAN user is talking for two specific ArgyllCMS format files ('CCMX' or 'CCSS') he has found but you reply what to do with in theory with different file format 'EDR'.



You have found 2 corrections files for the Samsung Q9, but its for HCFR/DisplayCAL/ArgyllCMS,...but you want to use them for CalMAN.....OK, no problem.

But when you are using CCSS correction, you assume that the internal spectral data of X-Rite meter from the factory hasn't drifted, since the internal meter spectra + CCSS spectra data are combined to create a correction matrix.



Using other people CCMX file will not work, only if you have your own meters combo (colorimeter+spectro) you can create matrix based correction (CCMX = Colorimeter Correction Matrix) which will be only valid for your current meters/display.

For that reason it will not work (I mean it will not be correct method) if you manually enter other people 3x3 CCMS matrix data inside your CalMAN meter profile 3x3 matrix area.

If you have your own spectro, you can create a 3x3 matrix from HCFR using i1Display PRO and then import it manually to CalMAN for your i1Display PRO.

But since you have found a CCSS file for the i1Display PRO, you can use i1Display PRO with that specific CCSS file loaded and you will measure 4 WRGB patches from inside HCFR, note to a text time the 4 xyY readings (these numbers will be used as reference meter readings later.)

Then you take the same measurements from inside CalMAN with 'RAW XYZ' mode selected, so you will have 4 xyY readings, note them also.

Now with these 8 xyY numbers you have collected, you will use the Four Color Matrix Utility of CalMAN to convert these reading to a 3x3 Four Color Matrix, which later you will import manually to your CalMAN. (see to your CalMAN folders in Start Menu)

Using Right Mouse Click and Paste... (note to transfer to the correct numbers of coordinates/luminance per each color to each tab)

Paste the HCFR to Reference Meter Data and the CalMAN to the Target Meter Data.

When you will finish, the Four Color Matrix Tool will generate a 3x3 XYZ matrix:

The last step is to copy paste the matrix inside your CalMAN.

You have to open the meter settings, at the bottom click to create a new profile 'Add Profile'...I have renamed it as 'External Profile to that picture.

For your colorimeter, since you are using i1Display PRO, select RAW XYZ table, from the display type list.

Then using Right Click, copy-paste the 9 numbers to each number tab.

Then you can continue using your CalMAN but with correct meter profiling loaded.

Note that you have to use the exact same patterns per each software measurements, because you don't want any difference of patch generation settings (levels) or window size to affect your results, you can use some external patterns which will be the same for these 4+4 readings. (+4 for verification)

At the end of all the procure, measure again the 4 WRGB patches from CalMAN to see if your readings are close to the HCFR readings (reference meter), procedure called as meter profile verification.

I'm having trouble finding a CCSS for the Q70R. Would using a CCSS for the Q90 be a closer match than using Generic CMF or Raw XYZ?

 

[ConnecTEDDD]

If I follow Ted's directions in post

I'm having trouble finding a CCSS for the Q70R. Would using a CCSS for the Q90 be a closer match than using Generic CMF or Raw XYZ?

Hi,

Generic CMF (called by X-Rite) or RAW XYZ (as CalMAN incorrectly has named, as the meter is not providing native RAW XYZ), both are talking for enabling the factory calibration (RAW XYZ + factory calibration offset without addition display specific EDR), your end results will be the same.

If you want to test which method provides you better results (but without a reference), then calibrate a picture mode with only 2-Point Grayscale patterns and Generic CMF.

Calibrate also a different picture mode (with the same gamut, same peak output, and gamma preset) with 2-Point grayscale with your other EDR or CCSS enabled.

Then display a grayscale ramp and swap between these two calibrated picture modes.

Pick the table which provides you more neutral-gray shades to your eyes, without color-cast.

 

[Guarddog13]

I wish i lived in an area where i could rent a spectro. I would love to be able to profile this display properly but there's no way the wifey will ok another ~$300 purchase for the "colors" on the tv.

 

[Guarddog13]

This method makes it more frustrating lol. The one calibrated with the Q90 profile appears to be the most nuetral gray when looking at it.

However if I switch to the CMF calibrated one it looks very red, when I then switch back to the profiled one it appears to turn green. So either Raw/CMF is way too redish/blue or using this Q90 ccss makes it too greenish.

I'm just going to rent a colormunki from lensrental.

 

[ConnecTEDDD]

This method makes it more frustrating lol. The one calibrated with the Q90 profile appears to be the most nuetral gray when looking at it.

However if I switch to the CMF calibrated one it looks very red, when I then switch back to the profiled one it appears to turn green. So either Raw/CMF is way too redish/blue or using this Q90 ccss makes it too greenish.

I'm just going to rent a colormunki from lensrental.

Which software are you using because it's a CalMAN thread, and you can't use CCSS files.

When you are using CCSS, it will provide a generic correction, and it will not correct your specific colorimeter.

If you have access to Spectro, create a matrix correction table to include your colorimeter readings for the correction matrix generation.

 

[Guarddog13]

I used HCFR with a Q90 CCSS, which was part of the official ArgyllCMS download and I followed your above post to make a correction file with the four color matrix utility in Calman.