It is the full consumer version of CalMAN v3 with a simulated meter.
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CALman V3 - Simulation available
I just noticed that Calman has a simulation added today for those who want to play with it for V3..I have not tried it myself...Hope
http://www.datapopuli.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1117
you might have to do the free register...
http://www.datapopuli.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1117
you might have to do the free register...
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I'd highly recommend that anyone who wants to learn or is in the process of learning to calibrate download this. The help files included run you through all the necessary concepts to understand how to go about calibrating. They give examples of test patterns and exactly how to go about using them effectively. I don't think you will find everything you need to know in such a thorough and well organized fashion.
Just downloaded the simulation. New interface looks great guys!!! But, call me stupid, why can't i find the help files? Can someone tell me what i'm missing here, lol?
Thanks guys.
Carmine
Thanks guys.
Carmine
OK nevermind i found what i was doing wrong, but i cannot get anywhere within the program. i keep getting an unhandled exception error.
Thanks for the compliment, I think.
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Your final sentence is hopefully saying that someone won't find this information in such a thorough and well-organized fashion anywhere else?
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Originally Posted by sperron /forum/post/12870535
I'd highly recommend that anyone who wants to learn or is in the process of learning to calibrate download this. The help files included run you through all the necessary concepts to understand how to go about calibrating. They give examples of test patterns and exactly how to go about using them effectively. I don't think you will find everything you need to know in such a thorough and well organized fashion.
Thanks for the compliment, I think.
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I'd amend it to say online. Going to a training seminar (ISF or other) would probably be more thorough.
The information there is available elsewhere online, but generally not all in one place. Depending on where you get the info online, it's not always as easily understood and well explained as your documentation either. You've certainly given quite a good resource away for free and should be commended. I just wanted to get the word out for those that could appreciate the help. Hopefully doing this brings you enough new sales to counter giving away your help files which surely cost a good bit to put together (time even if not money).
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Thanks for the compliment, I think. Your final sentence is hopefully saying that someone won't find this information in such a thorough and well-organized fashion anywhere else?
I'd amend it to say online. Going to a training seminar (ISF or other) would probably be more thorough.
The information there is available elsewhere online, but generally not all in one place. Depending on where you get the info online, it's not always as easily understood and well explained as your documentation either. You've certainly given quite a good resource away for free and should be commended. I just wanted to get the word out for those that could appreciate the help. Hopefully doing this brings you enough new sales to counter giving away your help files which surely cost a good bit to put together (time even if not money).
Our goal was to provide a single resource for calibration from the beginner to the Pro. In looking at the other tools in the market place they all seem to lack something. Either they are so advanced you already have to be a Pro to use them or they were so dumbed down you still did not know what was being done at a basic level. So it was difficult for someone to go from a good basic calibration on to the next level, hopefully CalMAN v3 addresses that.
BTW, CalMAN v3 has taken over 3 years collective to design, develop and build.
BTW, CalMAN v3 has taken over 3 years collective to design, develop and build.
Anyone??? I still cannot check out the program, i keep getting "failed to parse & unhandled exception errors"
We have sorted out Noizemaker he had an early version of CalMAN v3 that had not been removed before installing the latest build. Our installer does check to see if a previous build is installed and will either ask you to un-install it if it's not compatable with the current build or if it is upgrade over the top of it.
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Originally Posted by noizemaker /forum/post/12872752
Anyone??? I still cannot check out the program, i keep getting "failed to parse & unhandled exception errors"
We have sorted out Noizemaker he had an early version of CalMAN v3 that had not been removed before installing the latest build. Our installer does check to see if a previous build is installed and will either ask you to un-install it if it's not compatable with the current build or if it is upgrade over the top of it.
Wait to you see what we give away FREE next week
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A full blown HTPC pattern generator with over 50 patterns to choose from this is not some stripped down eval or nagware version. It uses a DirectX interface so you can use it for calibrating your HTPC for video output. It is designed to run with CalMAN v3 via sockets so you can have it installed on your HTPC and CalMAN v3 installed on the same HTPC or on a different PC and control it via the wire. The CalMAN HTPC pattern generator can also be controlled via its own UI if you are not using CalMAN v3.
Attached are some screen shots as a teaser
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Originally Posted by sperron /forum/post/0
Hopefully doing this brings you enough new sales to counter giving away your help files which surely cost a good bit to put together (time even if not money).
Wait to you see what we give away FREE next week
A full blown HTPC pattern generator with over 50 patterns to choose from this is not some stripped down eval or nagware version. It uses a DirectX interface so you can use it for calibrating your HTPC for video output. It is designed to run with CalMAN v3 via sockets so you can have it installed on your HTPC and CalMAN v3 installed on the same HTPC or on a different PC and control it via the wire. The CalMAN HTPC pattern generator can also be controlled via its own UI if you are not using CalMAN v3.
Attached are some screen shots as a teaser
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This looks very interesting indeed as so many HTPC graphics card drivers from numerous vendors, highly influence the output video and are usually way off and never consistant, am i correct in saying that the Calman HTPC pattern generator address's this and enables you to get a correct output ready to be for the display to be calibrated to?
This is a big thing now as HTPC's media pc's are now common place next to other sources connected to large displays.
This is a big thing now as HTPC's media pc's are now common place next to other sources connected to large displays.
The HTPC generator works using DirectDraw, so it will help make the part from the rendering engine to the display accurate. For whatever reason, driver levels are still going to matter for "true" accuracy, but any inaccuracies introduced by driver revision changes should be consistent across applications from where it works. Users will still need to work with their playback software to ensure that it is sending the right bits to the rendering engine, but at least you will be able to isolate issues to either the back-end GPU or the playback software.
Similar to a video processor, the workflow would be:
1) Calibrate the display to the HTPC generator.
2) Adjust the controls in the playback software to adjust its outbound signal.
Bill
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Originally Posted by Neonmod /forum/post/12874236
This looks very interesting indeed as so many HTPC graphics card drivers from numerous vendors, highly influence the output video and are usually way off and never consistant, am i correct in saying that the Calman HTPC pattern generator address's this and enables you to get a correct output ready to be for the display to be calibrated to?
This is a big thing now as HTPC's media pc's are now common place next to other sources connected to large displays.
The HTPC generator works using DirectDraw, so it will help make the part from the rendering engine to the display accurate. For whatever reason, driver levels are still going to matter for "true" accuracy, but any inaccuracies introduced by driver revision changes should be consistent across applications from where it works. Users will still need to work with their playback software to ensure that it is sending the right bits to the rendering engine, but at least you will be able to isolate issues to either the back-end GPU or the playback software.
Similar to a video processor, the workflow would be:
1) Calibrate the display to the HTPC generator.
2) Adjust the controls in the playback software to adjust its outbound signal.
Bill
Excellent, thank you.
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Originally Posted by Bear5k /forum/post/12874496
The HTPC generator works using DirectDraw, so it will help make the part from the rendering engine to the display accurate. For whatever reason, driver levels are still going to matter for "true" accuracy, but any inaccuracies introduced by driver revision changes should be consistent across applications from where it works. Users will still need to work with their playback software to ensure that it is sending the right bits to the rendering engine, but at least you will be able to isolate issues to either the back-end GPU or the playback software.
Similar to a video processor, the workflow would be:
1) Calibrate the display to the HTPC generator.
2) Adjust the controls in the playback software to adjust its outbound signal.
Bill
Excellent, thank you.
Can anyone provide a direct download link to the demo?
At the moment the only place you can download it is from our forums which are backup and running. Once we have released build 108 next week we are going to push it out to all of the ftp and download servers of the world.
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 /forum/post/12875000
Can anyone provide a direct download link to the demo?
At the moment the only place you can download it is from our forums which are backup and running. Once we have released build 108 next week we are going to push it out to all of the ftp and download servers of the world.
The simulation seems to be useful for what Calman can do. I noticed that it asks for the make/model of the TV being calibrated as well as the input list to calibrate but doesn't seem to refer directly to controls, etc, for the TV based on model.
Doing the "basic" calibration I got to the grayscale section and noticed that it was referring to adjusting contrast and brightness to align the grayscale. After my experience with HFCR I'm not aware of any way to adjust grayscale correctly that doesn't involve RGB cuts and gains, so I'm not sure why CalMan takes this approach.
More conventional ways of adjusting grayscale might be found in the advanced Calman sections which I haven't played with yet. There are also several sections in Calman that refer to getting Calman Pro for more options/capabilities so I'm not sure, maybe you need Calman Pro for some of these calibration steps.
I also didn't see a CIE chart when doing the simulated color adjustments. There is a bullseye which is helpful for tweaking color/hue but it would be helpful to be able to see CIE and know that if I'm adjusting cyan it's doing something with yellow or magenta, etc.
Any how, it's very helpful for Calman folks to make this available to perspective customers for evaluation purposes.
Doing the "basic" calibration I got to the grayscale section and noticed that it was referring to adjusting contrast and brightness to align the grayscale. After my experience with HFCR I'm not aware of any way to adjust grayscale correctly that doesn't involve RGB cuts and gains, so I'm not sure why CalMan takes this approach.
More conventional ways of adjusting grayscale might be found in the advanced Calman sections which I haven't played with yet. There are also several sections in Calman that refer to getting Calman Pro for more options/capabilities so I'm not sure, maybe you need Calman Pro for some of these calibration steps.
I also didn't see a CIE chart when doing the simulated color adjustments. There is a bullseye which is helpful for tweaking color/hue but it would be helpful to be able to see CIE and know that if I'm adjusting cyan it's doing something with yellow or magenta, etc.
Any how, it's very helpful for Calman folks to make this available to perspective customers for evaluation purposes.
For grayscale you need to first adjust your master contrast and brightness then you can go on to the individual RGB adjustments.
The CIE chart is on step 7) Measure Gamut
The only difference between our consumer and pro version as of today is the hardware they support.
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 /forum/post/12875842
The simulation seems to be useful for what Calman can do. I noticed that it asks for the make/model of the TV being calibrated as well as the input list to calibrate but doesn't seem to refer directly to controls, etc, for the TV based on model.
Doing the "basic" calibration I got to the grayscale section and noticed that it was referring to adjusting contrast and brightness to align the grayscale. After my experience with HFCR I'm not aware of any way to adjust grayscale correctly that doesn't involve RGB cuts and gains, so I'm not sure why CalMan takes this approach.
More conventional ways of adjusting grayscale might be found in the advanced Calman sections which I haven't played with yet. There are also several sections in Calman that refer to getting Calman Pro for more options/capabilities so I'm not sure, maybe you need Calman Pro for some of these calibration steps.
I also didn't see a CIE chart when doing the simulated color adjustments. There is a bullseye which is helpful for tweaking color/hue but it would be helpful to be able to see CIE and know that if I'm adjusting cyan it's doing something with yellow or magenta, etc.
Any how, it's very helpful for Calman folks to make this available to perspective customers for evaluation purposes.
For grayscale you need to first adjust your master contrast and brightness then you can go on to the individual RGB adjustments.
The CIE chart is on step 7) Measure Gamut
The only difference between our consumer and pro version as of today is the hardware they support.
I only see steps 1-5 with step 5 being "set the color decoder" when doing basic calibration.
I will try the other options later tonight.
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Originally Posted by derekjsmith /forum/post/12876228
For grayscale you need to first adjust your master contrast and brightness then you can go on to the individual RGB adjustments.
The CIE chart is on step 7) Measure Gamut
The only difference between our consumer and pro version as of today is the hardware they support.
I only see steps 1-5 with step 5 being "set the color decoder" when doing basic calibration.
I will try the other options later tonight.
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