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OK... Long story short. My house got hit by a tornado last April. I modified my floor plan to give me a bigger office upstairs. Since I do video...I decided to make the room a combo edit bay/ home theater. The room is 24' by 13.5' I am planning a false wall for the screen...about 2 feet from the wall. This leaves me 7 feet from the screen to the front of the first row of seats...3 feet for the seats...and then a 5 foot deep riser behind the first row. About 6 feet would be left for the edit bay. The false wall and the edit bay wall will prob take up about 1 foot.

I'm planning on a 110" to a 120" 2.35:1 SMX screen. I'm concerned that the front row of seats might be to close...and that the edit bay might be a little small...I DON"T KNOW! The house is almost finished framing...but I have a little time to figure out interior design and walls in the theater room. The theater will be fed from a central equipment room in the house...but the edit bay will also feed projects to the theater (for clients). Do I keep the edit bayin the theater room or try to put the bay elsewhere in the house? Are the dimensions I laid out above OK for 2 rows of seats and a 110" wide screen...or should I try to use the entire 22' (after screen wall) for the theater?


Please... some suggestions from this great community! Design, spacing, etc. All comments welcome.


 

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I'll type this again as it was just lost.


I've got a vision for your room that you may not have thought of.

Consider making the edit bay a "projectionist booth" or control center design. Use a half height wall to separate the two spaces, Elevate the edit bay so you can look out over the theater when seated at your work station.


Put the rear surrounds on the far back wall and then you can move the second row of seating tight against the 1/2 wall.


Then you can use the theater as part of your editing process if you want to.


The edit bay will feel bigger since you won't have a full wall, and the theater will feel bigger. You can also have overflow seating in the edit bay. You may be able to narrow the edit bay a bit and move the front row back.


Another strategy to get the front row back a bit is to consider non-reclining seats for the second row.
 

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Bigmouth... Thanks for your reply! This is just the kind of "out of the box" thinking I was looking for! I just left a message w/ my builder to talk over some options.

I will need to work out just how high the edit bay should be. The rear riser will be about 10 to 12 inches tall.


I'm thinking of standard "real theater" movie seats in the rear....they wont be as deep as some nice recliners...but I want to make sure I have enough legroom for the people sitting in them. I had calculated 5 feet long...but I might be able to get away with 4 feet long riser...giving me an extra foot of distance on the front row.


Here is a photo looking to the back of the room where the edit bay will be. The room entrance is on the rear left of the pic.



This is a photo from the common area looking into the theater entrance.



-Cam
 

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Glad to hear one of my ideas hit home. As for height I'd make it higher than the riser for sure, you've got so much head room with that ceiling.


You will need to be careful of the rear surround height and the height of the half wall. It shouldn't block the path of sound to the seats.
 

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I was thinking of in-walls for the rear surround (on the half wall) ... and maybe adding a second set of surrounds (mirroring the rear wall) on the actual rear wall.

Both sets could be active...or I could choose which pair to use.


I got a great deal on a new in-wall THX certified surround speaker package...almost 70% off. So I will be using these to start off...and maybe upgrade later.
 

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You could also make the dividing wall between the theater and the booth another frame and cloth only false wall. Your surround speakers can be hidden in the booth area and it frees up a lot of room for a better surround experience behind the back row.


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Here is a pretty good looking "sit at bar" with bar bar stools behind the second row of seats, think edit booth instead and using desk chairs. It think the part wall shouldn't go too much higher 6-10 inchs max for sound purposes, Maybe the edit booth is one (maybe two) steps up from the riser height.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=628588



Your idea of inwalls in the half wall works too and it could go higher
 

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I like BIGmouthinDC's idea too. Similar in concept to the folks that are doing bar areas in the back the the theater. So you could do bar height work surfaces and office chair(s) that are that height, you can find them in any office supply catalog. Or setup a riser to give you the appropriate elevation, which would give you more seating options. Hey, maybe a combination bar/edit station



I just wish I had the length to do that...


Good luck

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Bigmouth, That is AWESOME! I can really see the same concept flying in my HT.

My builder thought your idea was good as well. I'm thinking the edit bay floor can be another foot higher than the rear riser. The full ceiling height is 12' ... but i lose some of that in the vault around the edges of the room. The vault starts at 8' high. I need to do some simple renders to give him. I'll show him the photos you sent as well.

THANKS!

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7' is definitely too close for a 110-120" screen - recommendation is usually 1.5x screen width, although many prefer to sit closer than that, even 1x screen width in some cases - a 110" diagonal 16:9 screen is about 96" wide - 7' = 84", so that's about 0.87x screen width. Go to a store with a projector similar to what you're considering, and view it for a bit at that screen width multiple, and see what you think - I would suspect most would find screendoor and head movement a problem at that distance.
 

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Some strategies for the first row.


Keep the false wall width to an absolute minimum. maybe 18 inches.

Use non-reclining seats for second row. Like

http://seatsandchairs.com/products_d...&currentpage=1


28 inches for chair, 24 inch aisle. =52 inches.


Then the distance to the first row seating eye postion will be about


7.5 plus 2(seat front to eye) plus .67 (smaller platform) = 10.17 ft.


That would put you at 1.017 times a 120 inch 2.35 SMX screen. Will probably be OK with a 1080P projector or one that can handle 1X seating. Probably should check Rubens thread about distance and seeing the weave.
 

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The 7 foot distance is calculated to the front of the theater seat...not the eye distance.

I'm planning on a 1080p projector. Prob. a Pearl...but I want to check out some others before I decide. I was already thinking I would make my rear riser about 5 feet in length...but I could prob. go to 4.5 feet using the real theater seats. I may be able to make the edit bay thinner as well...I have to doubel check the desk depth. I also may be able to push the screen wall back about a half a foot as well.

I saw the Ruby at a local Tweeter...and I was VERY close before I could see any screendoor...but it was not against an at screen either. I'll hop over to Ruben's thread and ask about the distance.
 

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OK, I just did a really BAD render of the room...looking from the screen to the back.




Please don't pay attention to the color scheme...i just did shades to be able to tell the difference between different surfaces.


It kind of gives me an idea of the space...but I still need to figure out the height of the wall behind the theater seats.
 

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You are making some great progress.


What type of projector mounting are you planning?


Pole from ceiling or attached to that rear wall? I'm sure it will depend on the choice of projector. Just curious if you've given that any thought and if that factors into the design process.
 

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I'll be putting in a 1080p projector. I have seen the Sony models...but I want to look at some others as well. I know the Pearl puts out very little noise. I also want 2.35:1 so I will eventually get either a constant width or constant height setup. The mounting of the projector will depend on the half wall height behind the seats...or the throw distance of the projector. I think I would rather mount the projector on the half wall...but I could live with a pole mount from the ceiling if necessary.
 

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OK...I re-measured the room today. I have an updated layout below. I moved the screen back 1 foot, the riser is 5 feet deep, and the edit bay is just shy of 6 feet deep. The walkway from the door to the theater has been expanded to 3 feet wide.

The half wall behind the rear riser (in front of the edit bay) is about 10.7 feet wide.

I'm thinking of actually making the rear riser 1 foot high and the edit bay another 1 or 1.5 feet high above the rear riser (so the edit bay floor would be about 2 to 2.5 feet higher than the room floor).


I'm thinking about railing (or low wall) along the side of the riser by the entrance walkway.


With the new changes and measurements...there should be about a 12 foot distance from the 110" screen to the front of the riser. This should give a viewing distance of around 11 feet for the front row. Also...I might make a 115 inch wide screen (SMX material)...115 inch screen would give me 2.04 feet on each side for curtains.


Now... I really want 2.35:1 aspect ratio for watching movies (and i love the look of a 2.35:1 screen).....but being in TV production, I will be working on many 16x9 projects. If I go constant height (and mask the sides)...the 16x9 would be pretty small. I think I may try to go with a constant width setup and mask the top or bottom of the screen for 2.35:1 movies. If the bottom mask is done right...the screen should look like a 2.35:1 screen...right? This setup should give me the full 110 inch width for both 2.35:1 and 16x9 video.


Any thoughts on the above info????????? Masking, CIH vs. CIW, 110" or 115" wide screen?


Thanks guys,

Cam

 

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Your plan is coming along.


What do you mean by false Wall?


As for constant width you certainly avoid the need to get an add on lens. You do miss out on the opportunity to squeeze all the pixels and brightness into a 2:35 image. Most of us are doing constant width without masking and I certainly wish I could get around to doing the necessary upgrades to go constant height. My viewing is about 75% 16:9 now.


Unless you are going to re-aim your projector or it has some feature to move the image up, you will need masking at the top AND bottom for constant width. Or just live with the black bars.


As for the consequence of doing 16:9 editing on a smaller image if you go constant height. Wouldn't the image be bigger than the size 99% of your typical audience views when you are sitting at you edit bay location?
 
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