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Can anyone help me understand why someone would wanted a sealed subwoofer over a ported subwoofer for home theater?

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Can anyone help me understand why someone would wanted a sealed subwoofer over a ported subwoofer for home theater?
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There is more then one reason. All THX speakers and subwoofers are sealed designs. As far as I know all movie theaters use sealed speakers and subwoofers. Acoustic suspension speakers and subwoofers can usually take more abuse at high SPL levels then a ported cabinet without blowing the speaker or bottoming out the driver. You need to be more careful and listen to a ported subwoofer the harder you play it compared to a sealed subwoofer.

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Can anyone help me understand why someone would wanted a sealed subwoofer over a ported subwoofer for home theater?
- More compact than a ported sub.

- The possibility of getting deeper, usable extension vs. a ported sub.
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Originally Posted by Secret Squirrel  /t/1519488/can-anyone-help-me-under...rted-subwoofer-for-home-theater#post_24399436


There is more then one reason. All THX speakers and subwoofers are sealed designs. As far as I know all movie theaters use sealed speakers and subwoofers. Acoustic suspension speakers and subwoofers can usually take more abuse at high SPL levels then a ported cabinet without blowing the speaker or bottoming out the driver. You need to be more careful and listen to a ported subwoofer the harder you play it compared to a sealed subwoofer.

Well for instance. It seems SVS ran out of PB12-NSD. But still have some SB12-NSD on closeout. Obviously the SB12-NSD is not as highly regarded as its PB12-NSD cousin.


Why?
Everything else being equal, a sealed sub is smaller and lighter. It's also a simpler design to build than a ported, for those who go with DIY. Ported subs tend to have longer decay times and more group delay, so sealed can have a tighter sound. For those who listen to music, many of these ported subs offer no advantage since many of them are tuned to 20 Hz. Porting doesn't offer much mid or upper bass advantage to subs tuned that deeply, and since music doesn't dip below 40 Hz very often, porting just doesn't help in those circumstances. Also, as was mentioned above, sealed offers better protection for the driver, everything else being equal. Those are a few advantages that sealed have over ported. Another advantage of sealed is for those who chase after super deep bass, the lower teens and even single digit frequencies. Ported rolloff is usually pretty sharp, and doesn't cough up much output below its tuning point. Everything else being equal, a sealed sub will offer more output below a ported sub's tuning point. This diagram explains the difference, sealed being the blue line:




To get any real output at those deep frequencies, you need a bunch of very serious sealed subs, but at least it is achievable with sealed, whereas it can not be done at all with ported.
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Originally Posted by Acousticality  /t/1519488/can-anyone-help-me-under...ubwoofer-for-home-theater/0_100#post_24399737


Well for instance. It seems SVS ran out of PB12-NSD. But still have some SB12-NSD on closeout. Obviously the SB12-NSD is not as highly regarded as its PB12-NSD cousin.


Why?

Well with that specific company a lot of people are upgrading their pb1000 to the pb12 nsd and.more people are looking to fill the bigger size rooms and ported are the cheaper fix as you need around 4 sealed subs to get that deep bass vs 1 big ported sub.

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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck  /t/1519488/can-anyone-help-me-under...rted-subwoofer-for-home-theater#post_24399465


- More compact than a ported sub.
True, but at the cost of sensitivity and extension.
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- The possibility of getting deeper, usable extension vs. a ported sub.
Also true, but on average the sealed only works better below 15Hz. These charts are typical of the difference between sealed and ported eighteens. The upper chart is sensitivity, the lower maximum SPL. Sealed is the blue trace, ported is the green:




OP, sealed subs are appropriate in small rooms where cabin gain can realize as much as 12dB additional sensitivity and output at 20Hz. In larger rooms they're not, unless you use so many of them that you can compensate for their shortcomings with sheer power.
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All THX speakers and subwoofers are sealed designs...all movie theaters use sealed speakers and subwoofers. Acoustic suspension speakers and subwoofers can usually take more abuse at high SPL levels then a ported cabinet without blowing the speaker or bottoming out the driver. You need to be more careful and listen to a ported subwoofer the harder you play it compared to a sealed subwoofer.
None of that is true. As for acoustic suspension, which is a specific type of sealed alignment, it ceased to be widely used in the 1980s. Very few examples still exist today.
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Originally Posted by Acousticality  /t/1519488/can-anyone-help-me-under...rted-subwoofer-for-home-theater#post_24399737


Well for instance. It seems SVS ran out of PB12-NSD. But still have some SB12-NSD on closeout. Obviously the SB12-NSD is not as highly regarded as its PB12-NSD cousin.


Why?

Strange deduction. How do we know they didn't have a lot more SB12-NSD inventory on hand to start with?


WAF is why I have sealed.

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Originally Posted by RedLefty  /t/1519488/can-anyone-help-me-under...rted-subwoofer-for-home-theater#post_24399877


Strange deduction. How do we know they didn't have a lot more SB12-NSD inventory on hand to start with?


WAF is why I have sealed.
I'm talking 1 for 1. it sounds like there are advantages to sealed subs from what all the posters are saying. However, it also sounds like if you are looking to buy just one sub, that ported has a distinct advantage in being able to more effectively fill the room.

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Originally Posted by shadyJ  /t/1519488/can-anyone-help-me-under...rted-subwoofer-for-home-theater#post_24399812


Everything else being equal, a sealed sub is smaller and lighter. It's also a simpler design to build than a ported, for those who go with DIY. Ported subs tend to have longer decay times and more group delay, so sealed can have a tighter sound. For those who listen to music, many of these ported subs offer no advantage since many of them are tuned to 20 Hz. Porting doesn't offer much mid or upper bass advantage to subs tuned that deeply, and since music doesn't dip below 40 Hz very often, porting just doesn't help in those circumstances. Also, as was mentioned above, sealed offers better protection for the driver, everything else being equal. Those are a few advantages that sealed have over ported. Another advantage of sealed is for those who chase after super deep bass, the lower teens and even single digit frequencies. Ported rolloff is usually pretty sharp, and doesn't cough up much output below its tuning point. Everything else being equal, a sealed sub will offer more output below a ported sub's tuning point. This diagram explains the difference, sealed being the blue line:




Had 2 Sealed ultra 5400's... They're now ported to 15hz and I can say that they absolutely destroy the sealed setup as far as output for music. Now in this particular box my first port resonance came in a little low but with a little EQing they sound just as good as my sealed boxes but a whole lot more output.


Bill pretty much covered it.

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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice  /t/1519488/can-anyone-help-me-under...rted-subwoofer-for-home-theater#post_24399842


sealed subs are appropriate in small rooms where cabin gain can realize as much as 12dB additional sensitivity and output at 20Hz.
Okay, I hear this a lot but what is small room? 1000ft^3, 1500ft^3, 2000ft^3?

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Originally Posted by tvuong  /t/1519488/can-anyone-help-me-under...rted-subwoofer-for-home-theater#post_24399926


Okay, I hear this a lot but what is small room? 1000ft^3, 1500ft^3, 2000ft^3?

All three of those are small rooms.
 http://www.svsound.com/sealed-vs-ported


For my situation, I went with dual SVS SB12-NSD's over the PB12 simply because they went into my main living room and small footprint with the gloss black finish met my needs aesthetically vs the larger ported PB12.

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Originally Posted by basshead81  /t/1519488/can-anyone-help-me-under...rted-subwoofer-for-home-theater#post_24399962


All three of those are small rooms.
Okay, so up to what cubic foot is considered to be small? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice  /t/1519488/can-anyone-help-me-under...rted-subwoofer-for-home-theater#post_24399842


True, but at the cost of sensitivity and extension.

Also true, but on average the sealed only works better below 15Hz. These charts are typical of the difference between sealed and ported eighteens. The upper chart is sensitivity, the lower maximum SPL. Sealed is the blue trace, ported is the green:




OP, sealed subs are appropriate in small rooms where cabin gain can realize as much as 12dB additional sensitivity and output at 20Hz. In larger rooms they're not, unless you use so many of them that you can compensate for their shortcomings with sheer power.


None of that is true. As for acoustic suspension, which is a specific type of sealed alignment, it ceased to be widely used in the 1980s. Very few examples still exist today.

This says it's true for THX satellites and I think it's true for the mains since THX often uses the same speakers through out the room. Possibly subwoofers as well?


I pulled the following from a Secrets of sound article.

To correctly achieve this, THX satellite speakers are sealed systems with an 80 Hz –3 dB low frequency cutoff (preferably with a Qtc of 0.71). The electronic high-pass filter applied to them is an 80 Hz, 2nd order (12dB/octave) Butterworth alignment. The speaker and the filter sum to a 4th order Linkwitz/Riley roll-off which matches the electronic filter applied to the subwoofer, and an excellent crossover is achieved.

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Originally Posted by tvuong  /t/1519488/can-anyone-help-me-under...rted-subwoofer-for-home-theater#post_24399926


Okay, I hear this a lot but what is small room?
Longest room dimension approximately 20 feet. That will have cabin gain starting at 28Hz; lower than that and it's not going to add enough to make up for the lower sensitivity of a sealed sub. Even 20 feet is a bit large. Look at the SPL chart I posted above, showing the f3 of the sealed sub at 38Hz. Ideally you'd want cabin gain to begin no lower than 38Hz as well. That requires a maximum room dimension of 15 feet.
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This says it's true for THX satellites and I think it's true for the mains since THX often uses the same speakers through out the room. Possibly subwoofers as well?
THX is a standard for frequency response and output capability. It has nothing to do with cabinet types. The Secrets of sound article is way off base.
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WAF is why I have sealed
At least you admit it.
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Bill is the expert on this. He has excellent articles that explain why group delay doesn't determine "tightness" in real world cases.

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Originally Posted by Acousticality  /t/1519488/can-anyone-help-me-under...rted-subwoofer-for-home-theater#post_24399343


Can anyone help me understand why someone would wanted a sealed subwoofer over a ported subwoofer for home theater?

Both sealed and ported have pros and cons, I won't go into them as you'll find enough info on google.


I have just sold a PC Ultra 13 and bought a SB Ultra 13. In my room it works better, takes up less space, and I don't need the headroom of the ported models. I bet the SB Ultra 13 would be plenty in the typical UK sized living room too.


If one type had all advantages and no disadvantages I'd pick that one.
I've never heard that group delay influenced "tightness". IME it ("tightness" or "speed") is related to cone control and distortion, typically ringing (excess cone movement) before, during, and after signal is applied. Constant group delay will provide better impulse/step response but that is rarely a concern at subwoofer frequencies. Historically sealed has been better at that but a good design with a decent amp should make them equivalent. That leaves the main thing going for sealed sub as slower roll-off, a moot point with the performance of most subs these days since all the better ones play pretty dang low.


YMMV - Don

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Originally Posted by DonH50  /t/1519488/can-anyone-help-me-under...rted-subwoofer-for-home-theater#post_24400876


I've never heard that group delay influenced "tightness". IME it ("tightness" or "speed") is related to cone control and distortion, typically ringing (excess cone movement) before, during, and after signal is applied. Constant group delay will provide better impulse/step response but that is rarely a concern at subwoofer frequencies. Historically sealed has been better at that but a good design with a decent amp should make them equivalent. That leaves the main thing going for sealed sub as slower roll-off, a moot point with the performance of most subs these days since all the better ones play pretty dang low.
Where subs are concerned group delay is moot; if you were to hear it the speaker would be so flawed that it would be unusable. As for 'tightness' and 'speed', those terms don't have any real meaning with respect to subs, and are typically used by those who don't know what technical term does apply to whatever it is that they're trying to describe. As for the slower roll off of sealed, much is made of that, but again, it's only apparent in its effect well below 20Hz, making it a moot point as well in the vast majority of cases. If you're trying to reach the single digits then sealed or IB is the way to do it, but the number of speakers and the amplifier power required to realize it at worthwhile levels is far beyond what the average budget would allow, let alone WAF.
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