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I'm in need of a good HTIB. I'm going to purchase a Samsung BDP-1200 in a couple weeks and i want a HTIB that would work great with it... I just purchased an LG 42" LCD 1080P which has the HDMI 1.2a.


I'm really hoping you can point me to something that is the best bang for the buck, but isn't a waste...


basically my budget is around $100-$500.


thank you so much for ur help. i've been going back and forth with the Onkyo 500, 600, 700, and 800 series... i've been doing a lot of research. but being a noob with all this my head is all over the place..



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First a little background on the BD-P1200 as you are looking for something that will work great with it.


I looked real hard at the p1200 and I wound up getting the Tosh Xa2 because of uncertainties in the audio playback capability of the p1200.


As I understand it, the p1200 does not have the built in codecs for TrueHd and DTS HD MA and my latest info is that Samsung has no announced plans to add them via firmware. Fact or fiction - I don't know. This eliminates multi-channel PCM over HDMI 1.1 or 1.2. as you still need to decode in the player unless the source disk has a multi channel PCM track, some do, but not in the majority.


So, this leaves you with a couple of options that will determine what type of receiver to invest in.


Multi-channel analog is also out for the exact same reasons as PCm over HDMI expressed above, you neeed to decode in the player. The p1200 does have 5.1 analog out, however.


Bitstream raw data feed to the receiver over HDMI 1.3, which the p1200 has, BUT, your receiver also has to use HDMI 1.3 because of the high bit rates and it must decode TrueHd and DTS MA in the receiver. There is no shipping receiver, at this moment, that does this. Also, there is a great deal of debate on whether or not the p1200 will in fact do this. I think it will, but until some user says so, the jury is still out. Onkyo is supposed to be releasing the TX-Sr605 receiver in "a few days" and I have one on pre-order. This receiver will decode the lossless formats and it has HDMI 1.3. As soon as they hit a p1200 user, we'll know about the HDMI 1.3 bitstream transport issue.


If TrueHD and DTS HD MA are not important to you then any receiver and most HTIBs will work both in digital or analog connections to the p1200. Some will work with HDMI 1.1. If the new codecs are important then you're SOL on an HTIB/p1200 until Onk or someone comes up with a new package.


Wait a week or so and see what the verdict is on the p1200 and HDMI 1.3. If the p1200 does in fact send the raw data to the AVR then you may want to look at picking up a receiver w' HDMI 1.3 and go separate speakers, etc.


Sorry for the long wind but I'm trying to condense about 2,000 posts on this subject into a couple of paragraphs.


If the p1200 does indeed work well with the new receivers then I'll look real hard at an acquisition. I like it except for the audio uncertainty and format neutral gets me all I want out of a DVD.
 

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All I can really share is that I'm a newb and I picked up an Onkyo HT-SR800 yesterday and I love it...but then I don't have another reference point in the HT world. I do know it doesn't support TrueHD or DTS MA decoding though if that matters.
 

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All I can really share is that I'm a newb and I picked up an Onkyo HT-SR800 yesterday and I love it...but then I don't have another reference point in the HT world. I do know it doesn't support TrueHD or DTS MA decoding though if that matters.

That's correct, but if the player does decoding and has analog outs then you can get TrueHD, etc over the analog connections.
 

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First a little background on the BD-P1200 as you are looking for something that will work great with it.


I looked real hard at the p1200 and I wound up getting the Tosh Xa2 because of uncertainties in the audio playback capability of the p1200.


As I understand it, the p1200 does not have the built in codecs for TrueHd and DTS HD MA and my latest info is that Samsung has no announced plans to add them via firmware. Fact or fiction - I don't know. This eliminates multi-channel PCM over HDMI 1.1 or 1.2. as you still need to decode in the player unless the source disk has a multi channel PCM track, some do, but not in the majority.


So, this leaves you with a couple of options that will determine what type of receiver to invest in.


Multi-channel analog is also out for the exact same reasons as PCm over HDMI expressed above, you neeed to decode in the player. The p1200 does have 5.1 analog out, however.


Bitstream raw data feed to the receiver over HDMI 1.3, which the p1200 has, BUT, your receiver also has to use HDMI 1.3 because of the high bit rates and it must decode TrueHd and DTS MA in the receiver. There is no shipping receiver, at this moment, that does this. Also, there is a great deal of debate on whether or not the p1200 will in fact do this. I think it will, but until some user says so, the jury is still out. Onkyo is supposed to be releasing the TX-Sr605 receiver in "a few days" and I have one on pre-order. This receiver will decode the lossless formats and it has HDMI 1.3. As soon as they hit a p1200 user, we'll know about the HDMI 1.3 bitstream transport issue.


If TrueHD and DTS HD MA are not important to you then any receiver and most HTIBs will work both in digital or analog connections to the p1200. Some will work with HDMI 1.1. If the new codecs are important then you're SOL on an HTIB/p1200 until Onk or someone comes up with a new package.


Wait a week or so and see what the verdict is on the p1200 and HDMI 1.3. If the p1200 does in fact send the raw data to the AVR then you may want to look at picking up a receiver w' HDMI 1.3 and go separate speakers, etc.


Sorry for the long wind but I'm trying to condense about 2,000 posts on this subject into a couple of paragraphs.


If the p1200 does indeed work well with the new receivers then I'll look real hard at an acquisition. I like it except for the audio uncertainty and format neutral gets me all I want out of a DVD.

thank you so much mrgribbles for taking the time to respond... i will really look into this whole TRUEHD audio..


i think, all i want is basically 5.1 HT Audio, w/decent bass....


if the receiver i'm purchasing doesn't have an HDMI input, am i at a complete dead end road???


thanks again!


PS. I also have a toshiba A-1 HDDVD player already... that's the reason why i'm getting a Blu Ray Player , switch it up a bit.

 

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i think, all i want is basically 5.1 HT Audio, w/decent bass....


if the receiver i'm purchasing doesn't have an HDMI input, am i at a complete dead end road???

For 5.1 audio? No. You can use the digital optical or coaxial audio connections that almost every disc player and HT receiver use.


Even for the hi-def audio formats, if you choose the right player and receiver, you can still use them.
 

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For 5.1 audio? No. You can use the digital optical or coaxial audio connections that almost every disc player and HT receiver use.


Even for the hi-def audio formats, if you choose the right player and receiver, you can still use them.

so you're saying i'll still get great audio even with an optical cable... ?

HDMI inputs are for TrueHD audio??


I was thinking, if i get the p1200 i'd plug the HD cable directly to my tv and have the optical out of my player, go into the receiver..


does that sound right?
 

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so you're saying i'll still get great audio even with an optical cable... ?

Well, what you define as great audio is subjective, but you will get 5.1 Dolby Digital or DTS surround sound, the same sound that ~95% of home theater enthusiasts enjoy.


TrueHD is lossless, and is nice to have, but not what I would call critical unless you're someone who is a real stickler for sound (and you could be for all I know, but I'd assume you'd have more high end stuff.)
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HDMI inputs are for TrueHD audio??

Yeah, but you can also use analog inputs if both the player and the receiver are equipped (I think it'll work for TrueHD, but I'm not sure.)

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I was thinking, if i get the p1200 i'd plug the HD cable directly to my tv and have the optical out of my player, go into the receiver..


does that sound right?

Yeah, I use HDMI cables to my TV for video and optical to my receiver for audio.
 

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Well, what you define as great audio is subjective, but you will get 5.1 Dolby Digital or DTS surround sound, the same sound that ~95% of home theater enthusiasts enjoy.


TrueHD is lossless, and is nice to have, but not what I would call critical unless you're someone who is a real stickler for sound (and you could be for all I know, but I'd assume you'd have more high end stuff.)



Yeah, but you can also use analog inputs if both the player and the receiver are equipped (I think it'll work for TrueHD, but I'm not sure.)




Yeah, I use HDMI cables to my TV for video and optical to my receiver for audio.

thank you so much Tulpa for your help.. since my TV has 3 HDMI inputs (1-Blu Ray, 2-HDDVD, 3-PC) I don't really need a HDMI switch/pass through my receiver.. which leads me to believe that he ONKYO HT590 would be the right HTIB since i really don't need the HDMI input.. the speakers may be a bit of a downgrade from the ONKYO HT700 series but i would be saving at least $100 (or should i just spend the extra $100 for the better speakers, but i'm going to use it for 5.1 not 7.1 )..


thanks again EVERYBODY..especially to those that replied, you've been GREAT help!!



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Originally Posted by supercoolsix /forum/post/0


i think, all i want is basically 5.1 HT Audio, w/decent bass....


if the receiver i'm purchasing doesn't have an HDMI input, am i at a complete dead end road???


thanks again!

You're not at a dead end with most AVRs with or without HDMI. I'm pretty sure you will be with the p1200 and the TrueHD, DTS MA codecs. I presently enjoy, and I do mean enjoy TrueHD with my Tosh XA2 and 5.1 analog connections.


Just about all AVR's will get you 5.1 in DD and DTS. The only question you have to answer for yourself is are the new lossless formats important enough to you? Or even as important, will they be?? To me they are very important and that is why I'm throwing out my 2 month old receiver, that works fine in order to get 7.1 TrueHD, etc.


I'll tell you, the Blu-ray camp really doesn't have the "do it all" player yet. I was champing at the bit for the Sammy p1200 til I started getting into it. I love the Reon HQV video with standard DVDs, the p1200 has it and that sets it off from the other BD players, but it has audio problems, other BD players have better audio solutions but not the Reon chip. I would've gone BD, but the XA2 has just about got it figured out.


As far HTIBs go, I'm a broken record on the Onkyo line up. I have the S790 and I think its a very good system.


Study up a bit. Its a very confusing time for amateurs like me as well as for the pros.
 

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You're not at a dead end with most AVRs with or without HDMI. I'm pretty sure you will be with the p1200 and the TrueHD, DTS MA codecs. I presently enjoy, and I do mean enjoy TrueHD with my Tosh XA2 and 5.1 analog connections.


Just about all AVR's will get you 5.1 in DD and DTS. The only question you have to answer for yourself is are the new lossless formats important enough to you? Or even as important, will they be?? To me they are very important and that is why I'm throwing out my 2 month old receiver, that works fine in order to get 7.1 TrueHD, etc.


I'll tell you, the Blu-ray camp really doesn't have the "do it all" player yet. I was champing at the bit for the Sammy p1200 til I started getting into it. I love the Reon HQV video with standard DVDs, the p1200 has it and that sets it off from the other BD players, but it has audio problems, other BD players have better audio solutions but not the Reon chip. I would've gone BD, but the XA2 has just about got it figured out.


As far HTIBs go, I'm a broken record on the Onkyo line up. I have the S790 and I think its a very good system.


Study up a bit. Its a very confusing time for amateurs like me as well as for the pros.

thanks mrgribbles..

i'm going to do more reading/researching.. i think it comes down to either the Onkyo 590 or 790...


like i said earlier, i already have an HD DVD player thats why i want to go Blu Ray... just to switch it up... honestly, i'm a die hard HD DVD person, but there are some movies on Blu Ray that i want to watch...(SONY movies..etc..) it's good to have best of both worlds in the same house.



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thanks mrgribbles..

i'm going to do more reading/researching.. i think it comes down to either the Onkyo 590 or 790...


like i said earlier, i already have an HD DVD player thats why i want to go Blu Ray... just to switch it up... honestly, i'm a die hard HD DVD person, but there are some movies on Blu Ray that i want to watch...(SONY movies..etc..) it's good to have best of both worlds in the same house.



thank u!

I agree. HD DVD, is AOK, but BD does have the titles I want. My problem has to do with OCD complex. When I want something I don't want it, I absolutely have to have it!!
 

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Hm. I've had the opposite experience-I've found that the vast majority of BD titles have a lossless PCM track and no DTS-MA or TrueHD. YMMV.
 

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I agree. HD DVD, is AOK, but BD does have the titles I want. My problem has to do with OCD complex. When I want something I don't want it, I absolutely have to have it!!

mee too! i know i don't NEED it.. i WAAAAAAAAANT it.. hahaha
 

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Hm. I've had the opposite experience-I've found that the vast majority of BD titles have a lossless PCM track and no DTS-MA or TrueHD. YMMV.

Since having made the HD DVD plunge I haven't been drooling over BD titles lately. Thanks, its good to know that. I agree with the paucity of TrueHD/DTS MA BD titles, but I think that will change??


This may be old news, it was announced yesterday I think, but Panny is coming out with a $599 SRP BD player with the lossless codecs. The exact feature set hasn't quite hit the street, but on first take, it looks pretty sweet. I have the Tosh for SD work so this could be in the cabinet some time soon. OCD again.
 
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