[IKM]

Can we trust our ears after we've been told what we're going to hear or not hear?

I personally do not trust my own ears let alone someone elses, so when I read a posting stating that someone has formed a belief through means of DB ABX audio tests, I always think of this video.

Think of the ABX metric, as being equal in terms of creating a suggested bias, you will quickly recognize my concern. When an outcome is suggested, it becomes reality. DB ABX test metric have an implied outcome. The implied outcome is no difference, or put another way, a Null!

https://www.it-it.connect.connect.c...811405075649&video_source=pages_finch_trailer
https://www.it-it.connect.connect.c...811405075649&video_source=pages_finch_trailer

Warning the video is dangerously funny! You may bust your gut!

 

[zgeneral]

What do the tests and data say. People's own opinions on something like this really don't matter unless they've based on those two things.

 

[NorthSky]

I listen to others, to what they have to say, from my ears and brain (I read what they post too).

But nobody is listening to my music with my set of ears when I'm home and all alone. ...I the dark, @ night.

 

[Garidy]

Funny link... LMAO

 

[Tack]

Funny link... LMAO

Funny like a clown?


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[FMW]

There is no correct answer among the options provided. If there are audible differences in a blind test then there will also be audible differences in a sighted test so you can trust your ears. If there is not an audible difference blind then you cannot trust your ears in a sighted comparison. The only way to know for sure whether an audible difference exists, of course, is to do a blind test.

 

[zgeneral]

We're all biased by our existing ideas. Smart people at least realize it. Here's a funny anecdote from another world. We don't need to discuss this policy, but what you can see is that people's opinion of the same thing when called something they like is completely different than when its called a term they don't like. Sort of silly really.

http://dailycurrant.com/2013/10/03/poll-republicans-support-obamacare-if-called-reagancare/

 

[humbug2]

I have too often found that what I heard was different from what I read, or was told, or expected, or correlated with price. Or wanted to happen.

If you don't trust your senses that might reflect more on your confidence, mind set, experiences, or prejudices.

 

[Ratman]

Can anyone trust what friends, critics/revues state of movies? I'm sure many can say that they loved movies that others disliked and detested movies that others loved.

It's a personal choice. So, you should be the only "judge".

 

[RayDunzl]

If you don't trust your senses that might reflect more on your confidence, mind set, experiences, or prejudices.

Do you trust your eyes?

If so, don't look here.

 

[lovinthehd]

I don't know what's behind the links either as my system doesn't like the security either.

 

[IKM]

It's a link to a Facebook Thread (Called Having a Bad Day)- It is safe, I have been on it several times without trouble. It's your call though..

 

[CharlesJ]

...

If you don't trust your senses that might reflect more on your confidence, mind set, experiences, or prejudices.

Does that mean that placebo effect is not real? I guess your eyes never fails you? Your brain doesn't play tricks?

 

[lovinthehd]

It's a link to a Facebook Thread (Called Having a Bad Day)- It is safe, I have been on it several times without trouble. It's your call though..

Then why isn't it a direct link?

 

[IKM]

Then why isn't it a direct link?

Because you would need a facebook account to see it, this way you don't.

 

[lovinthehd]

I have a FB account so no problem. Couldn't find it with the information provided.

 

[IKM]

I have a FB account so no problem. Couldn't find it with the information provided.

Search:

People Having A Really Bad Day

 

[IKM]

There is no correct answer among the options provided. If there are audible differences in a blind test then there will also be audible differences in a sighted test so you can trust your ears. If there is not an audible difference blind then you cannot trust your ears in a sighted comparison. The only way to know for sure whether an audible difference exists, of course, is to do a blind test.

Such test are forced choice in nature and are devised to produce nulls, therefore the intention is a clandestine bias, that no differences can be statically proven. I have read good postings within AVS alone that have made this fact abundantly clear.

Link to post #1

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/91-au...ures-affect-sound-quality-4.html#post32787401

Link to post # 2

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/91-au...ures-affect-sound-quality-4.html#post32791489

In another thread you stated you don't form your opinions based on what other say, in fact I believe you inferred that none of your knowledge on the subject has been derived at from reading at, but from personal experimentation and testing. Within the same thread I has you to describe your test methods, so I could better understand and analysis your opinion, but you didn't disclose them. If your going to keep posting your opinions, and request or demand that we accept them as fact, you must share the conditions in which the measurements were made, or otherwise, be less assertive and tenacious about others accepting your states as fact.

FMW: You believe what you believe and I believe what I believe. In my defense I'll say that my belief doesn't come from reading. It comes from actually conducting bias controlled tests. Happy listening.

After all, you don't read AES papers and the like, so it's only natural that I and others qualify your statements.

 

[markrubin]

time out