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Can we try and convert our friends- HiRes "evangelism"?

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I'm shocked at how few people even KNOW about HiRes audio. I've made two converts and will continue doing so. It seems that somehow- Sony/Phillips, etc did a poor job of marketing. I hope a concerted effort by enthusiasts may increase the niche size.


Anyone else doing so?


Eric
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Hi! I'm hoping a few of you will write "[email protected]" and request Tierney Sutton's "I'm with the Band" as a hybrid release. Her two previous SACD multichannel hybrid releases: "Something Cool", and "Dancing in the Dark" sound superb! They released her latest- "I'm with the Band" as a Redbook CD-even though it was recorded and mixed- DSD! I have hopes since they do release SACD's that a few requests will turn the tide and convince them to release a hybrid SACD version.


If anyone else has a similar wish for their favorites- let me know-give me the email and info-and I will do the same for you.


Thanks,

Eric
Most people I know don't have the slightest inclination to purchase a SACD/DVD-A device. Supply = demand, and unfortunately there aren't enough of "us" for the industry to take these formats very seriously.


-bd
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Most people I know don't have the slightest inclination to purchase a SACD/DVD-A device. Supply = demand, and unfortunately there aren't enough of "us" for the industry to take these formats very seriously.


-bd
Almost NOBODY knows what DVD-A & SACD even are. These formats are where they are because of a complete lack of significant exposure. IMO, if they had been properly advertised, I stille think they would of failed. People are collectively disgusted by CD pricing and the industry only devised these formats to foolishly and unrealisticly try to impose even higher prices.


Me, I've educatd some folks. A girlfriend of mine who came to me for hi-fi advice ended up buying a Sony 2000ES 5-disc changer and her first SA-CD was the Mo-Fi Edgar Winter Group's They Only Come Out At Night.


To the original poster, Telarc has just been sold to Concord Jazz. This may mean the end of Telarc's SA-CD participation...? The participation was maybe already over anyway. In the past few months I'd noticed them to release quite a few DSD CD's in lieu of SA-CD's....
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Only one of my friends knew what I was talking about when I got my hi-rez machine.


He has over 1500 cds...























and a boombox.
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Hopefully, both BD or HD DVD will be DVD-A compatible, and that might help revive hi rez music, but with the market being saturated with compressed mp3s, i think audio fidelity is going downhill.
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Hopefully, both BD or HD DVD will be DVD-A compatible, and that might help revive hi rez music, but with the market being saturated with compressed mp3s, i think audio fidelity is going downhill.
No doubt about it. These poor kids today would be blown away by true fidelity if they actually heard it. Guess life has become too fast to grab a beer (or somethin), sit down for a few hours, and actually listen to great sound. I'm starting to sound like my Dad, but I sure do miss the old days. Great friendships were made that way.


-bd
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No doubt about it. These poor kids today would be blown away by true fidelity if they actually heard it. Guess life has become too fast to grab a beer (or somethin), sit down for a few hours, and actually listen to great sound. I'm starting to sound like my Dad, but I sure do miss the old days. Great friendships were made that way.


-bd
Only if their hearing hasn't been destroyed by their earbuds. Do you get the idea that your dad wasn't as dumb or uncool as you thought? (Mine died when I was six, so I can't speak to this one.) And yes, listening to good music made and maintained great friendships.
That's another thing, not only is compressed music popular, but the heaphones used to listen are worse! What kind of fidelity are you getting from a $10 pair of headphones (if that).
All your comments are very true. I live in Vancouver Canada and there is a large HMV located in the heart of our shopping district. The HMV has 100 plus people shopping in it at all times. I am the only person I see in the multi channel section. I sometimes feel I have to buy them so they wont stop selling them. The people working there say they almost never see people buying them and most of the guys working there dont even really know what they are.


My guess it that for hi res formats to really have a chance its going to piggy back on the promotion of the new Hi Def DVD format which gets released.


Personally I wish CDs will stop being made when HD DVD or Blue ray comes out. Much like what happend with Tapes when CD came out.


With respect to MP3s I think a site like the one Mac has would do well if they had a section on the site that let you download Hi Res songs. Instead of charging $1/song they should charge $2/song. Maybe start the promotion by giving a free hi res version of any regular compressed version you buy. So it takes longer to download and takes 5 times as much space on your hard drive...big deal. I have close to 100 Gigs of hard driver space...lol.
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That's another thing, not only is compressed music popular, but the heaphones used to listen are worse! What kind of fidelity are you getting from a $10 pair of headphones (if that).
Better than a lot of the $50-$75 pairs if you snag the ones from Sennheiser :)

http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite/pdfs/mx.pdf


Unfortunately they just help you notice all the flaws in that godawful 128kbps mp3.
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Almost NOBODY knows what DVD-A & SACD even are. These formats are where they are because of a complete lack of significant exposure. IMO, if they had been properly advertised, I stille think they would of failed. People are collectively disgusted by CD pricing and the industry only devised these formats to foolishly and unrealisticly try to impose even higher prices.


Me, I've educatd some folks. A girlfriend of mine who came to me for hi-fi advice ended up buying a Sony 2000ES 5-disc changer and her first SA-CD was the Mo-Fi Edgar Winter Group's They Only Come Out At Night.


To the original poster, Telarc has just been sold to Concord Jazz. This may mean the end of Telarc's SA-CD participation...? The participation was maybe already over anyway. In the past few months I'd noticed them to release quite a few DSD CD's in lieu of SA-CD's....
Hi Rachael, Thanks for your response! All too true! The pricing really opened the door to mp3 (arrrrrrghhh!). And I have to agree with the other posters regarding the 10 dollar earbuds being a perfect fit to mp3. Unfortunately, putting a gazzilion awful sounding tunes on a tiny mp3 player seems to really appeal to the mass market!


BAD news regarding Telarc! Damn, Damn, Damn! They do have several classical and jazz upcoming SACD releases but I fear you are correct. I do love classical


I found this response from a telarc recording engineer on the audioasylum forum:

"The 2006 and much of 2007 Telarc release schedule is planned. SACD is continuing to be an important release medium for us.

The Telarc recording and production style is not changing. Joining with Concord Music Group opens many opportunities for us and we are very excited about the possibilities. Bob Woods is continuing as President of Telarc.


Stay tuned for further developments...



Best Regards,


Michael Bishop

Recording Engineer "


Eric Walters (exacoustat owner)
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Sorry, the price of the media is too high. The requirements of system configuration is not to my liking (use of analog outputs). If they would allow a digital output, maybe.


Plus the selection of recordings is not to my liking.


A "regular" CD played on a very high end system is going to sound better than a hi-res disc played on a mediocre system in many cases anyway.
I've been trying for a while now, but all I get, at best, are polite nods (except from one of my friends--a serious audiophile back in the 70s but now without the funds necessary for even a rudimentary two channel system of any decent quality--nevermind the extra $$$ for a decent MCH setup--he does come over to my place for drinks and a listen every once in a while). There have been a few who've found the sound quality remarkable, but as soon as you explain what you need to get that sound, their interest wanes rather quickly. Oh well, I'll keep buying them for as long as they make them. I already have enough to make my gear worth while.
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Sorry, the price of the media is too high. The requirements of system configuration is not to my liking (use of analog outputs). If they would allow a digital output, maybe.


Plus the selection of recordings is not to my liking.


A "regular" CD played on a very high end system is going to sound better than a hi-res disc played on a mediocre system in many cases anyway.
Yea, I hear that 8-track tapes are going to make a come back... so hang on to yours if you still have them. :cool: ;) :D :D


P.S. : Don't take this seriously. I am just kidding.
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Sorry, the price of the media is too high. The requirements of system configuration is not to my liking (use of analog outputs). If they would allow a digital output, maybe.


Plus the selection of recordings is not to my liking.


A "regular" CD played on a very high end system is going to sound better than a hi-res disc played on a mediocre system in many cases anyway.
The media is many times the same price or cheaper than the cd counterparts.


THere are several forms of digital connections supported,(iLInk, DenonLink, certain IEEE-1394 firewire connections).


Everything played back on a mediocre system is going to sound at best mediocre, whats your point there? Hi-res played back on a very high end system will make cds sound like mp3s....


true audiophiles dont listen to redbook cds anyway, they never went digital and always play vinyl


;)


I never try to convert anyone, but if they really like it and want it at home, I'll be glad to help them get there....
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The SQ is really very, very good. Unfortunately the equipment required to listen to it properly killed it.
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THere are several forms of digital connections supported,(iLInk, DenonLink, certain IEEE-1394 firewire connections).
Don't forget HDMI, with v1.2, supporting both DVD-A and SACD
I sometimes feel that "audiophiles" think music is more about spending money on expensive gear than it is about listening enjoyment.


I'm all for high res audio. Just make the media as cheap as the current very-good 44/16/2ch media. Then make high quality players cost the same. Then give me $150 speakers or $15 headphones connected to a $150 receiver/dac/whatever of sufficiently high quality that I can really hear the difference. Make it *as* portable and easy to manage, share and enjoy as regular redbook CD. And don't confuse me with more format wars (SACD vs DVDA), copy protection quagmires (should I use HDMI 1.2 or Firewire 400 or eLink or iLink or qLink or ??) and $200/foot snakeoil cables in order for me to hear without veils being lifted, etc.


I have a decent DVD-A collection and I do enjoy them. However it's taken a whole lot of $ into a headphone rig for me to hear the difference between them and the corresponding redbook CD release. For most of my friends, with the budget that they have for personal audio, they just aren't going to hear enough of a difference to make DVDA/SACD worth all the headaches that come with shifting to them. There is no way I'd recommend any of my friends (most with at most $500-750 of audio AND video gear, total, including their iPod) deal with the many problems that come with hires audio until they are addressed. Nor do I feel that it is my responsibility, nor the responsibility of my friends, to shoulder the guilt for hires audio not taking hold. I'm young, still a bit of a kid, and I listen to higher quality music than my father ever did. I'm not the only one. But I sure as heck am not going to blame myself or my generation for SACD vs. DVD-Audio or iLink vs. Firewire vs. HDMI or $10 CD vs. $20 DVD-A. I tell my friends to stick with CD/MP3/iPod, and put their $ into mortgage payments rather than SACD disks until the industry sees fit to clean up a mess that IMO it largely brought upon itself.
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I try to educate my friends about it, but they just think that SACD and DVD-Audio discs are too expensive.


They don't understand quality, so they just keep downloading mp3s on the Internet. :rolleyes:
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