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Here is a list of the OTA HD channels currently (11/05) available in the Toronto area, thanks to AVS member intrac.


14-1 (29) Fox WUTV 29 Buffalo


15-1 (45) SUN TV CKXT Hamilton


20-1 (5) CBC CBLT 5 Toronto


24-1 (25) CBC (F) CBLFT 25 Toronto


32-1 (23) UPN WNLO 23 Buffalo


33-1 (2) NBC WGRZ 2 Buffalo


38-1 (7) ABC WKBW 7 Buffalo


39-1 (4) CBS WIVB 4 Buffalo


40-1 (9) CTV CFTO 9 Toronto


43-1 (17) PBS WNED Grand Island / Buffalo


53-1 (57) CityTV CITY Toronto


66-1 (52) SUN TV CKXT Toronto



Also, here's another list with a broader scope from AVS Member Daniel Tonks:

http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/








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Anyone have any info or advice for Toronto area OTA reception?

I just bought a HDTV and plugged in a Radio Shack antenna.

I get CITY-TV HD, CKXT HD, WNED-HD and WIVB HD (CBS feed).

Have a DB8 antenna on order.
 

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You may want to head on over to the Buffalo thread. Most people from the GTA post in that thread.


Myself, I use an Indoor antenna and I can get the 2 Toronto stations and all Buffalo stations except WNYO (too low power).


Although no specific dates are known, most Toronto OTA transmitters should be coming online in 2005. CBC had planned to be up and running in November, but I heard it may be delayed until Jan. 2005. CTV and Global also mentioned 2005 for the GTA.
 

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Digital Television Stations (including Special Temporary Authority)
STATION.NETWORK...CHANNEL.DIRECTION.DISTANCE.........ERP.... .. HAAT.CITY/LICENSEE
CKXT-TV............UHF.15..210.2°...35.69mi......75.00kW.....984 ft.(HAMILTON, ON)
CHCH-TV............UHF.18..202.5°...35.78mi.....550.00kW.....984 ft.(HAMILTON, ON)
CHCH-DT............UHF.18..202.5°...35.78mi......60.00kW...1,109 ft.(HAMILTON, ON)
CBLT-TV............UHF.20...19.6°....0.00mi......75.00kW.....984 ft.(TORONTO, ON)
NEW-DT.............UHF.21..202.5°...35.78mi......75.00kW.....98 4ft.(HAMILTON, ON)
NEW-DT.............UHF.22..157.6°...33.59mi......75.00kW.....98 4ft.(ST CATHARINES, ON)
CBLFT-TV...........UHF.24..-10.5°....0.48mi......75.00kW.....984ft.(TORONTO, ON)
CITS-DT............UHF.35..202.5°...35.78mi......10.00kW...1,110 ft.(HAMILTON, ON)
CFTO-TV............UHF.40...19.6°....0.00mi.....550.00kW.....984 ft.(TORONTO, ON)
CHEX-TV-...........UHF.48...42.7°...36.09mi.......0.20kW.....328ft.(OSHAWA, ON)
NEW-DT.............UHF.51..-10.5°....0.48mi......75.00kW.....984ft.(TORONTO, ON)
CICA-TV............UHF.51...19.6°....0.00mi......75.00kW.....984 ft.(TORONTO, ON)
CITY-DT............UHF.53...19.6°....0.00mi.......0.90kW...1,690 ft.(TORONTO, ON)
CBLT...............UHF.64...19.6°....0.00mi...1,000.00kW... 1,066ft.(TORONTO, ON)
CIII-TV-...........UHF.65...19.6°....0.00mi......75.00kW.....984ft.(TORONTO, ON)
CJIS-TV............UHF.66...30.5°....0.64mi......75.00kW.....984 ft.(TORONTO, ON)
CKXT-TV............UHF.66...19.6°....0.00mi.......2.81kW...1,690 ft.(TORONTO, ON)
CFMT-TV............UHF.69...19.6°....0.00mi......75.00kW.....984 ft.(TORONTO, ON)

Data compiled from FCC database on 9/26/2005.
 

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You may want to head on over to the Buffalo thread. Most people from the GTA post in that thread.

I see from your info you are from Mississauga. Did you know that Mississauga is home to one of the transmitter manufactures (Larcan) and tower manufactures (Radian Tower) that is supplying many of the DTV transmitters and towers to not only Canada, but the USA as well?
 

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I just put up my DB8 and now receive FOX, CBS, ABC, NBC, CITY-TV, Toronto-1 and PBS here in Mississauga, Ontario.


Anyone in Southern Ontario receiving anything additional, OTA?
 

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3mar67,


What kind of an antenna is a DB8? How high is it mounted?


What kind of reception are you getting? I assume with it being digital, you don't experience fades or snow.


This direct OTA is a good way to beat the SIMSUBBING that takes place on cable and Cdn satellites.


I'm in Thornhill.
 

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intrac,

my DB8 is mounted on the side of my chimney, a few feet above my roofline.

I just kept turning the antenna a few inches at a time until I got WKBW 7.1 -- the most difficult for me to pick up.

Now I receive all my locals with no problem, no fading and no need to adjust the direction of the antenna.

Here's what I get so far:

4.1 -- WIVB CBS

7.1 -- WKBW ABC

23.1 -- UPN CBS

29.1 -- FOX

33.1 -- WGRZ NBC

43.1 -- WNED PBS

53.1 -- CITY-HD

66.1 -- CKXT Toronto-1
 

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Hey guys,


Good info.


Looks like this is the way to go to beat the cable & satellite crap for locals.


Are you able to get CFTO which supposedly broadcasts in HDTV, or is it off at right angles to your antenna?
 

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Are you able to get CFTO which supposedly broadcasts in HDTV, or is it off at right angles to your antenna?

I believe the next round of DT stations going live is in January 2005. So far CTV only broadcast in HD on the digicable network.
 

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Anybody know where to buy the Channel Master 4228 in Toronto?


I think it compares favorably to the DB8 and the price in USD looks a lot less.
 

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A MacDonald Antenna Tower Service 1394 Dufferin St Toronto

Alpine Installation Service Ltd 1345 Morningside Ave Scarborough

Hosick Television Co 1844 Jane St York

Ron's Television Service 1360 Queen St E Toronto

Sal's TV & Radio Sales & Service 6525 Kingston Rd Scarborough

Student Antenna Removal 40 Stonegate Rd Etobicoke

Y2K Satellite Solutions 1394 Dufferin St Toronto


Good place to start.
 

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It was nice to see Citytv showing some HD Enterprise. I finally got to see some after I downloaded an episode of Enterprise. Now if only they would boost output power, please oh please.


Anyone know if Toronto1 will be doing real 16:9 HD anytime soon? I have no trouble receiving them at 69 km (43 miles) away.
 

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I see from your info you are from Mississauga. Did you know that Mississauga is home to one of the transmitter manufactures (Larcan) and tower manufactures (Radian Tower) that is supplying many of the DTV transmitters and towers to not only Canada, but the USA as well?

Also, this is the most popular manufacture of translators here in the SW. Most sites are dominantly Larcan. We have been buying all our replacement translators from Larcan during our channel relocation the last 4 years. Moving to in-core channels, 2 through 52. Getting rid of the last of the tube translators out there. They make solid equipment that just works and works. Good reputation.
 

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Hi 3mar67:

I am in Richmond Hill and another 25 miles further away from the US stations. I wonder how many US HD channels can I pick up!



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My own suggestion is to try the antenna first (a high gain like the CM4228) before trying the pre-amp. The pre-amp can always be added. There is always the possibility of too great a signal - and causing overload. I'm in Thornhill, not far from Richmond Hill. But then it also depends where in Richmond Hill -- high or low spot. It' a case of the more the better, up to a point.


The CM4228 provides a reasonable pattern, with about 12dB UHF gain. A pre-amp, like the 7775, will add another 23 dB. Remember, there is loss in the cable, loss in the connectors (about 2-3 dB total).


If you have diplexors or splitters, another 3-5 dB loss.


Just my 2 cents worth.
 

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Ok, I am glad there are somebody close to my area. I am assuming you are using CM4228. How high and what direction are you pointing it at. What stations do you get and what HD tuner are you using? Hope is not too many to ask in one time! Thanks in advance!



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I'm in process of doing this now. Today's snow has delayed my work. I've done path studies (my old work) and it looks like I should be able to get all the Buffalo channels which are on this map:
http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/index.html


The U.S. sites that do antenna calculations don't apply to Canada. You can't enter your postal codes, etc. However, it is easy if you can figure out your latitude and longitude. The lats and longs of the stations are all readily available.


Then plug in the numbers into another site (let me know if you want this), and you get the distance and bearing. The long range UHF antennas are good for 60+ miles. The pattern of the CM4228 makes it look like it will cover all Buffalo and pick up the Toronto OTA channels. The other options are yagis with rotators. Yagis are more directional, and need to be aimed.


This stuff is like going back 20 years (before cable and satellite). Only digital is better than analog. With analog, you had to put up with snowy reception. Digital is either there or not.
 
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