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I have have all Klipsch speakers for my surround system, but just for some reason the center channel feels like its missing something. I have the RC-62 as my center, but during movies it just seems to be lacking something, I have ran Audessy on my Onkyo 818 receiver, but just the quick setup, I didnt go through the full process of measuring as my room isnt done yet. I turned the center up a bit after Audessy to try and compensate for it.

It almost feels like it would sound better if it were 2 separate speakers. I dont know how to explain it. It feels like it is lacking a "fullness" Anybody know what I can look for in my settings, or has anybody else experienced the same thing with their center?
 

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I will go fire it all up now and see what its set at, I dont remember what Audessy said after it was done running.
 

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Audessy had my center channel crossover at 50hz for some reason, and set to -7db, I set all my speakers to 80hz (thx) in the menu, and turned up the center channel to -3db, it sounds better, but still doesnt sound quite right. It almost sounds as if the center channel is coming out of one single spot, maybe i'm just use to having sound come from everywhere like the 5.1 setup in my living room. The voice comes out of all the speakers when I watch tv whereas movies in the theater room the voice comes out of only the center channel.
 

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Originally Posted by Slingblayde  /t/1472301/center-channel-feels-like-its-missing-something#post_23304008


The voice comes out of all the speakers when I watch tv whereas movies in the theater room the voice comes out of only the center channel.

Movies are mixed to have the voices come from the center channel to "center" them with the screen. It sounds like you run All Channel Stereo when you watch TV? If you have a cable box or hd the audio should come as Dolby 5.1 and place the voices in the center channel with effects going to the rest of the speakers, with the occasional voice coming from left or right mains.


Voices should not come from all the speakers like that. While theres really no right or wrong way, the most accepted is voices come from the center channel not all of the speakers.
 

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Originally Posted by RicardoJoa  /t/1472301/center-channel-feels-like-its-missing-something#post_23304241


If the voice is comming from one spot, i think thats what we want. I really dont thing you want surround effect on voices.

I'm assuming he means that it sounds too localized, that it sounds separated from the rest of the system, if I read the OP's post right.
 

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Originally Posted by Slingblayde  /t/1472301/center-channel-feels-like-its-missing-something#post_23304008


The voice comes out of all the speakers when I watch tv
They shouldn't. If they do that indicates improper decoding.
 

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Originally Posted by Slingblayde  /t/1472301/center-channel-feels-like-its-missing-something#post_23303712


I have have all Klipsch speakers for my surround system, but just for some reason the center channel feels like its missing something. I have the RC-62 as my center, but during movies it just seems to be lacking something, I have ran Audessy on my Onkyo 818 receiver, but just the quick setup, I didnt go through the full process of measuring as my room isnt done yet. I turned the center up a bit after Audessy to try and compensate for it.

It almost feels like it would sound better if it were 2 separate speakers. I dont know how to explain it. It feels like it is lacking a "fullness" Anybody know what I can look for in my settings, or has anybody else experienced the same thing with their center?

Howdy Sir Windsor, Sir Detroit here, well just outside of Detroit in Oak Park...


Reading this post, one of the things I see that is wrong, is doing the quick setup. To get the best out of your AVR and audyssey is to do all of the 8 spots in your calibration. I understand your reason for the quick setup, but believe me, it will make a difference.

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Audessy had my center channel crossover at 50hz for some reason, and set to -7db, I set all my speakers to 80hz (thx) in the menu, and turned up the center channel to -3db, it sounds better, but still doesnt sound quite right. It almost sounds as if the center channel is coming out of one single spot, maybe i'm just use to having sound come from everywhere like the 5.1 setup in my living room. The voice comes out of all the speakers when I watch tv whereas movies in the theater room the voice comes out of only the center channel.

When you mentioned the voices comes out of all the speakers, there is nothing wrong with that, unless it’s the exact same things coming from all of them and not moving around with an effect.

If all the speakers have the same voice coming from it, then you are not using a 5.1 surround, you are just taking a two channel and making it come out of all the speakers, which isn’t any surround effect at all. To fix that, you have to select a different soundfield besides “All Ch”


Having it set to 50hz was a little strange, because your FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 57Hz-24KHz ± 3dB, but this could be because of the quick setup you mentioned before.



You mentioned you changed all of your speakers to 80hz, I am wondering if they were all below 80hz and your raised them to 80hz, and not the other way as to where you lowered any of them to 80hz. If you lowered any of them to 80hz, then that is not good to do with audyssey.
 

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Howdy Sir Windsor, Sir Detroit here, well just outside of Detroit in Oak Park...


You mentioned you changed all of your speakers to 80hz, I am wondering if they were all below 80hz and your raised them to 80hz,

Hey!, Youre not far from me Eh!? probably 20 minute drive. Im just outside Windsor in Lasalle by the big Horse Racetrack and Casino, (that is now closed)


I actually lowered them to 80hz, Audessy had them set at 110. I have the RB-61 II's for fronts (FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 45Hz-24KHz ± 3dB)

and RS-42's for surrounds (FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 62Hz-24KHz ± 3dB)

I have dual PSA XV-15 subs so I figured they can more than handle anything I need below 80hz. Or do I overlap the crossovers a bit, set the subs at 80, and the speakers at 70?

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I'm assuming he means that it sounds too localized, that it sounds separated from the rest of the system, if I read the OP's post right.

YES! I think thats what I'm trying to say lol. It just doesnt sound like it "fits" with the rest of the audio for some reason. When I finally get off my backside and finish the room I will definitely run the full 8 position Audessy. OR, should I run the full Audessy just for S&G's even though there is no carpet, or drywall up yet? I can always reset it back to default or re-run it when I get the room done.


Thanks for the replies guys!
 

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They shouldn't. If they do that indicates improper decoding.

I actually do this on purpose, I set the Yamaha in my living room to run at 5Ch Enhancer, I prefer to watch hockey or Disc Channel with the sound coming out all the speakers. It fills the room nicer for anybody else whos watching.
 

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Hey!, Youre not far from me Eh!? probably 20 minute drive. Im just outside Windsor in Lasalle by the big Horse Racetrack and Casino, (that is now closed)


I actually lowered them to 80hz, Audessy had them set at 110. I have the RB-61 II's for fronts (FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 45Hz-24KHz ± 3dB)
According to Page 60 of the manual for your receiver, ( http://www.intl.onkyo.com/downloads/manuals/pdf/tx-nr818_manual_e.pdf ), you don't have a 110 Hz setting for your CC. You have 100 and 120 Hz. Please clarify which setting Audyssey used.


If Audyssey set the crossover to 120 Hz, that means it measured the CC's -3 dB point at somewhere between 100 and 120 Hz. In spite of the "spec'd" response to 45 Hz, in your room, the CC is not effectively outputting anything below about 100 Hz. This could happen if the CC is placed so the bass gets little room reinforcement, out, away from the wall behind it and well away from the side walls. If you lowered the crossover, what you're "missing" is the response from 80 Hz to 120 Hz. I suggest you either reset the crossover to 120 Hz, or move the CC so it gets more room reinforcement, (i.e., move it closer to the room boundaries, particularly, the wall behind it.)

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I have dual PSA XV-15 subs so I figured they can more than handle anything I need below 80hz. Or do I overlap the crossovers a bit, set the subs at 80, and the speakers at 70?
Turn the LPF on the sub all the way up, or disable it if possible. You don't want to "cascade" filters. That could be another part of your problem.
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YES! I think thats what I'm trying to say lol. It just doesnt sound like it "fits" with the rest of the audio for some reason. When I finally get off my backside and finish the room I will definitely run the full 8 position Audessy. OR, should I run the full Audessy just for S&G's even though there is no carpet, or drywall up yet? I can always reset it back to default or re-run it when I get the room done.


Thanks for the replies guys!
Yes, run the full 8-position Audyssey routine. Then do NOT lower the crossovers.


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Hey!, Youre not far from me Eh!? probably 20 minute drive. Im just outside Windsor in Lasalle by the big Horse Racetrack and Casino, (that is now closed)


I actually lowered them to 80hz, Audessy had them set at 110. I have the RB-61 II's for fronts (FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 45Hz-24KHz ± 3dB)

and RS-42's for surrounds (FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 62Hz-24KHz ± 3dB)
 

NEVER lower the crossover Audyssey has set. If you lower the crossover Audyssey has set you will be left with a hole in the freq response no matter what your speakers are rated for.
 

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NEVER lower the crossover Audyssey has set. If you lower the crossover Audyssey has set you will be left with a hole in the freq response no matter what your speakers are rated for.
This is not true. Audyssey themselves suggest the crossovers to be set at 80...
 

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Originally Posted by Splicer010  /t/1472301/center-channel-feels-like-its-missing-something#post_23307655


This is not true. Audyssey themselves suggest the crossovers to be set at 80...
Not if it means *lowering* the crossover.
 
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