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I have read this thread from start to finish, and wonder if the DVR+ is the product for me. I can easily record programs one my computer that has a hauppauge card in it. What I really need is a box with a decent EPG that works like the dishnetwork ( expressvu ) boxes. Like many, I refuse to keep paying for mediocre satellite and do not want to pay tor Tivo either. Is there anything out there ? I currently use a windows 8 box for netflix and playing NTSC and PAL dvds.<br>
If the DVR+ guide actually works well I don't mind paying $250 for it, but if it is as slow as my old Bell 2700 I don't want it.
 

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I have read this thread from start to finish, and wonder if the DVR+ is the product for me. I can easily record programs one my computer that has a hauppauge card in it. What I really need is a box with a decent EPG that works like the dishnetwork ( expressvu ) boxes. Like many, I refuse to keep paying for mediocre satellite and do not want to pay tor Tivo either. Is there anything out there ? I currently use a windows 8 box for netflix and playing NTSC and PAL dvds.<br>
If the DVR+ guide actually works well I don't mind paying $250 for it, but if it is as slow as my old Bell 2700 I don't want it.</div>
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Why not just add an Xbox or Echo extender to your system? That's much cheaper and better than DVR+ in every way.
 

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I have read this thread from start to finish, and wonder if the DVR+ is the product for me. I can easily record programs one my computer that has a hauppauge card in it. What I really need is a box with a decent EPG that works like the dishnetwork ( expressvu ) boxes. Like many, I refuse to keep paying for mediocre satellite and do not want to pay tor Tivo either. Is there anything out there ? I currently use a windows 8 box for netflix and playing NTSC and PAL dvds.<br>
If the DVR+ guide actually works well I don't mind paying $250 for it, but if it is as slow as my old Bell 2700 I don't want it.</div>
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I'm using the DVR+ and a CM 7400. The 7400 uses the PSIP guide which is good for 2 or 3 days. The Rovi guide is good for 14 days. Both of those work fine for me.</p>
<p>I have the Hauppauge 2250 dual tuner card  in the workshop computer and find that the DVR+ and my LG HDTV's have better tuners and are not as sensitive to weather or other interference.  Remember the DVR+ receives OTA digital signals only and connects to your digital TV by HDMI cable only.</p>
<p>Private message me if you have any specific questions.</p>
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<p>I've read through the last 20 or so pages of this thread hoping to get some insight on whether or not to buy a DVR+. My Samsung HDTV converter box recently failed and I'm looking for something to replace it. I thought a DVR would be nice. After reading all this, though, I'm wondering if any of you recommend purchasing a new DVR+, or should I look at some other device. How about the PHD-VRX2 or another model of PHD? I'd appreciate any advice you have to offer.</p>
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<p>I replaced an Electronic Master DTV-5000HD tuner box with the DVR+ and I'm satisfied that it does what I want (better guide and HD recordings), even if it doesn't do it as well as I would have liked. Everybody has a different idea of what the best box is, and every box is different, so make sure it has the features you want. Remember, like any other OTA receiver, it needs a strong (but not too strong) signal coming into the tuner. The Rovi guide requires a good internet connection. Don't throw just any old hard drive at it, try to follow CM's recommendations. Read the manual, it's not as good as it could be, but there's lots of information there. Spend some time getting to know how to navigate and use the guide, DVR recording, and technical information screens.</p>
 

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I'm using the DVR+ and a CM 7400. The 7400 uses the PSIP guide which is good for 2 or 3 days.<br>
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You are one of the lucky ones. Stations are only required to use 12 hours of PSIP EPG data by the FCC, and that only applies to Class A and full power stations (LPTV is exempt). I have never seem a full 24 hours of data on any station at my house, most are around 18.
 

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Why not just add an Xbox or Echo extender to your system? That's much cheaper and better than DVR+ in every way.</div>
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Not in every way. Between a computer and an Xbox you would likely be using 150-200 watts. That adds up over time. My HTPC wouldn't properly recover from suspend so I had it running 24/7. I estimate I'll save about $60 a year on my power bill because the DVR+ uses so much less power. It will pay for itself in a little over 4 years.
 

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Between a computer and an Xbox you would likely be using 150-200 watts. That adds up over time. My HTPC wouldn't properly recover from suspend so I had it running 24/7. I estimate I'll save about $60 a year on my power bill because the DVR+ uses so much less power.</div>
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<p>My HTPC uses dramatically less power than a TiVo. I posted actual details in my WMC thread. Also you are referencing the ability to have two displays... HTPC and Xbox so it's not apples to apples. Client wise you can power them down when not in use. In my case saving money... sure am with my HTPC. Especially since in most cases it's going to be on anyway as it's my desktop.</p>
 

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It completely depends on the computer you're using. I was using a crappy old computer with a very inefficient power supply. It pulled around 100 watts and refused to recover from suspend or hibernate so it ran 24/7. I haven't found exact power usage numbers for the DVR+, but I believe it's using less than 15 watts while viewing, and substantially less in standby. I need to borrow a Kill-A-Watt again to find out exactly how much power it's using.
 

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It completely depends on the computer you're using. I was using a crappy old computer with a very inefficient power supply. It pulled around 100 watts and refused to recover from suspend or hibernate so it ran 24/7. I haven't found exact power usage numbers for the DVR+, but I believe it's using less than 15 watts while viewing, and substantially less in standby. I need to borrow a Kill-A-Watt again to find out exactly how much power it's using.</div>
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My Kill-A-Watt test on my DVR+ is 9.3 watts on and 8.4 watts in standby. My hard drive is 14 watts on and 3.5 watts standby.
 

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Don't buy one... you will regret it!  There are other devices out there that are much more affordable!</p>
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<p>Really? Let's compare some retail prices...</p>
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<p>TiVo Roamio - $199.99</p>
<p>Lifetime service - $499.99</p>
<p><strong>Total - $699.98</strong></p>
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<p>Simple.tv by SiliconDust - $199.99</p>
<p>Premiere Lifetime service - $150.00</p>
<p>500 GB EHD - $49.99</p>
<p>Roku 1 - $49.99</p>
<p><strong>Total - $449.97</strong></p>
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<p>DVR+ - $249.99</p>
<p>500 GB EHD - $49.99</p>
<p><strong>Total - $299.98</strong></p>
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<p>Now, admittedly, TiVo and Simple.tv deals can sometimes be found on eBay, Woot, Groupon, etc, and you could also save money if you're willing to live with an older HD antenna-compatible TiVo - though you'd still take a hit with a sizable subscription fee. I also understand that many people will already have a Roku and/or an external hard drive (EHD). Still, when comparing <em>apples to apples</em>, the DVR+ is <span style="text-decoration:underline;">the</span> inexpensive solution.</p>
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<p>If Channel Master were smart, they'd charge $150 for lifetime service, as is done with the Simple.tv. Then they could advertise the DVR+ for $99. THAT would raise some eyebrows...</p>
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<p>For those asking, yes, I think that the DVR+ is a great solution for the money.</p>
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I was force fed 106R last night! (I was holding out due to the numerous complaints of remote sluggishness)......<br>
Walked out of the room for a few minutes and the "nag" screen decided that I waited too long to hit cancel!.....so it forced me to have 106R.<br>
Sorry to report that I was holding out for good reason!!.......<br>
Certain functions are now what I would consider "sticky". In other words.....I'll press certain buttons ("guide" or "info" for example) and there will be a delay of 5-10 seconds. It just sits there until it decides to appear (perhaps it's shy)!<br>
Sometimes it's normal but generally it's slow to respond. Also.....when navigating the guide, it will move through several channels or shows and then suddenly stop. I continue pushing the appropriate button and after several pushes, it starts functioning again. Seems to have a mind of it's own!<br>
Frustrating!.....never had this problem before 106R!<br><b>BTW</b>.....my time has been accurate (within 20-30 seconds) all along (on "auto").<br>
Seems to be no benefit (at least for me) "upgrading" (or is it downgrading?......I get confused)!.....all I now have gained is intermittent sluggishness with certain remote functions!<br>
This is ridiculous!!
 

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the remote sluggishness is very irritating.<br>
I refuse to factory reset until I hear from others it resolved.<br>
DVR+ is working fine in all regards except this, which is why I don't want to take a chance to reset, to bring back any hard drive issues causing freezing during playback.
 

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I was force fed 106R last night! (I was holding out due to the numerous complaints of remote sluggishness)......<br>
Walked out of the room for a few minutes and the "nag" screen decided that I waited too long to hit cancel!.....so it forced me to have 106R.<br>
Sorry to report that I was holding out for good reason!!.......<br>
Certain functions are now what I would consider "sticky". In other words.....I'll press certain buttons ("guide" or "info" for example) and there will be a delay of 5-10 seconds. It just sits there until it decides to appear (perhaps it's shy)!<br>
Sometimes it's normal but generally it's slow to respond. Also.....when navigating the guide, it will move through several channels or shows and then suddenly stop. I continue pushing the appropriate button and after several pushes, it starts functioning again. Seems to have a mind of it's own!<br>
Frustrating!.....never had this problem before 106R!<br><b>BTW</b>.....my time has been accurate (within 20-30 seconds) all along (on "auto").<br>
Seems to be no benefit (at least for me) "upgrading" (or is it downgrading?......I get confused)!.....all I now have gained is intermittent sluggishness with certain remote functions!<br>
This is ridiculous!!</div>
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After installing the 106r I did a soft reboot and a factory reset and I am not having any issues with the remote. My time is dead on which was a real issue for me before. I had to reset the clock every day before the 106r.
 

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<b>(1) Unrequested new versions of software loaded onto DVR+:</b> When 103R suddenly appeared on my DVR+, even as I was avoiding it, I was told by Mr. Steven Hatch (Tier 1 Technical Support ) in reply to my e-mail, "I am sorry for the trouble [unasked-for download and time problem] you are having with the software 103R. <i>I do know that it is not possible for us to download the new software onto your box.</i> You would have to do that." (Emphasis added.)<br><br>
Perhaps Mr. Hatch was uninformed.<br><br>
Of course, the time problems with 103R began immediately. That's how I knew that version had been installed. (I did some messing around with time auto-manual and ZIP code settings, and the time problem somehow went away.)<br><br><b>(2) Remote sluggishness with 106R:</b> I consciously downloaded 106R and immediately the remote became reluctant and hesitant (especially in the guide), sometimes taking 15-20 seconds to respond.<br><br>
As suggested here, I did a cold reboot (pulled power plug for one minute) and deleted over 30 unused channels. I saw no change.<br><br>
Next, I did a factory reset and again deleted over 30 unused channels. Still little or no change. (By the way, no one mentioned that I'd have to set up the wi-fi connections all over after a factory reset--but it stands to reason I admit).<br><br><b>(3) Would I still buy a DVR+:</b> <i>YES, I would.</i> I appreciate the excellent HD image, the ease of recording (after using DVD-RAM discs with my previous DVR), and, yes, even the price (especially after I bought a 3TB hard drive discounted at Costco and was led to a $9.97 wi-fi adapter on this thread).<br><br>
I'm confident that Channel Master will be able to fix the remote problem in a future upgrade, and I'm willing to live with it in the meantime.<br><br>
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the remote sluggishness is very irritating.<br>
I refuse to factory reset until I hear from others it resolved.<br>
DVR+ is working fine in all regards except this, which is why I don't want to take a chance to reset, to bring back any hard drive issues causing freezing during playback.</div>
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I tried two factory resets and two cold reboots.<br>
I concur with your being fearful but there were no repercussions from doing either.<br>
However.....the guide access and navigation is too slow!!<br>
The resets/reboots did nothing in terms of the sluggishness. It's very annoying! I often use the guide in the morning to program shows in prime time and late night. It takes way too long to navigate forward through the guide!<br>
I'm curious as to whether this was intentionally done (could it be that they felt it was moving too quickly?). If so, they need to make a change (perhaps an interim update?).<br>
There were times when it was erratic (too fast or too slow) previously.....but now it's consistently way too slow!!
 

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Here's an idea.....<br>
Give us the ability to pre-program one of the color buttons to provide the ability to skip ahead in the guide to a pre-determined amount of hours (that we choose.....similarly to the "skip ahead" function during playback).<br>
Either that or (at the very least) a 12 hour advance. The 24 hour advance may be useful at times but a 12 hour advance is necessary (if it's impossible to provide a programming feature).<br>
For example.....I'm certain that I'm not the only one that programs their unit in the early AM to records shows that same evening. A 12 hour option would be very useful (especially with such a sluggish guide.....which will hopefully get resolved soon.....please!)
 

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For example.....I'm certain that I'm not the only one that programs their unit in the early AM to records shows that same evening. A 12 hour option would be very useful (especially with such a sluggish guide.....which will hopefully get resolved soon.....please!)</div>
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<p>I'm hoping DVR users have for the most part advanced beyond viewing their guide on a daily basis. Sort of defeats its purpose. If you want a 12 hour advance you might try WMC or perhaps XBMC as it's programmable.</p>
 
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<b>Additionally</b>.....<br>
Please.....Please.....Please.....!!!<br>
Give us the ability to simply delete a show immediately after it's been played back!!<br>
This is DVR 101!<br>
It shouldn't be necessary to navigate the lists and/or folders to find the specific show (that we just finished watching!!).....just to simply delete it!<br>
......This is beyond ridiculous!!
 

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Give us the ability to simply delete a show immediately after it's been played back!!</div>
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If you want all of these rather simplistic features why don't you acquire a DVR with them... wouldn't it be rather useful? I know I couldn't live without them. Heck with only two tuners I'd have to spend all day studying the guide to decide on what shows to record. <img alt=":)" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" style=""></p>
 

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Here's an idea.....<br>
Give us the ability to pre-program one of the color buttons to provide the ability to skip ahead in the guide to a pre-determined amount of hours (that we choose.....similarly to the "skip ahead" function during playback).<br>
Either that or (at the very least) a 12 hour advance. The 24 hour advance may be useful at times but a 12 hour advance is necessary (if it's impossible to provide a programming feature).<br>
For example.....I'm certain that I'm not the only one that programs their unit in the early AM to records shows that same evening. A 12 hour option would be very useful (especially with such a sluggish guide.....which will hopefully get resolved soon.....please!)</div>
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Why not just give back the guide control that was in the PalDVR? Enter any number of hours you wish to move, then just push the forward or reverse arrow. If you want to jump ahead 7 days, just enter 168 and push the right arrow. To go back 3 days from where you are in the guide, enter 72 and push the left arrow.<br><br>
How about also increasing the guide display size, or at least give the option to.<br><br>
The PalDVR can show 3 full hours and 9 channels at once. The DVR+ will only show 5 channels at a time, and only 2-1/2+ hours. That's hell when you want to scan through the listings, mark off a couple programs to record, then scroll further down to discover other shows that you'd rather record, scroll back and forth/up and down to alter your recordings.
 
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