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Of course, I may be totally wrong about that. The point, though, is that none of the above requires any rescanning of TV channels after the initial boot, yet it doesn't force the DVR+'s time to match any single station's time. So you can use even a single inaccurate station as a reference clock, as long as you record exactly how inaccurate it is!
That makes me even more curious as to how accurate the DVR+ clock would be if it was not powered up for 2 weeks following a reboot.
 

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Dish 20.1 Remote REFUSES to Learn

Now I really, really hate this remote! Not only does it very easily miss buttons, it simply refuses to learn some, including the < > buttons.

Waste of money, waste of time. I really should've gone with my orig. idea, which was to buy a $5 remote that's already set, with code, to control this DVR. If one exists.
 

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You are giving too much creativity for dish coders, who are on low salary and dish FW Dept experiencing constant high churn of its small workforce :(
Perhaps, and my algorithm isn't perfect either. I was just trying to show how a DVR could synchronize its clock to PSIP without either relying on periodic scans, or taking one or two stations as "gospel." IOW, it was mostly a proof of concept.

More likely, E* just copied their code from the DTVPal, knowing that it works well in most situations. Maybe they made a tweak or two, but probably no big changes. Which means they're probably still doing a periodic scan of all known stations during standby, even though since 114R, that doesn't seem to update the guide anymore.

Whatever it does probably isn't terribly important anyway (although it would probably be interesting!) My point was just that I'm generally more willing to trust the clock in my DVR+, even when disconnected from the Internet for a while (which does happen occasionally, and often without me noticing right away), more than the one in my iView.
 

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Now I really, really hate this remote! Not only does it very easily miss buttons, it simply refuses to learn some, including the < > buttons.
Sorry you're having so much trouble, but rest assured my own Dish 20.1 remote was able to learn every button from a DVR+ "flat" remote, including the left and right cursor buttons, fast-forward and rewind, and Skip Back and Fwd.

As for alternatives, I've learned there's at least one "out there" now; unfortunately my correspondent didn't fully answer my question when I asked about the brand:
I wouldn't have thought the CM-7004 has been on the market long enough to make it into any universal remote code libraries. What model remote was it, and which code worked?
Cm7005tb1 is what it is listed as.
(They meant cm7500tb1, i.e., DVR+, of course. Although I didn't realize it at first, turns out the DVR+ and CM-7004 use the same remote codes.)
I would install new batteries into both remotes first!
Good point. My experience has been that reliable remote "learning" requires fresh batteries. (That's not only true of the Dish remote, but it's more important with the Dish remote because of its inability to learn one button at a time.

Also, avoid rechargeable (NiMH) batteries during learning. They work OK during normal operation, but their lower voltage won't necessarily let the remote write to flash ROM (which is how it "learns") reliably.
 

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Wanted: Cheap Remote (NO Learning Required)

... My experience has been that reliable remote "learning" requires fresh batteries. (That's not only true of the Dish remote, but it's more important with the Dish remote because of its inability to learn one button at a time.

Also, avoid rechargeable (NiMH) batteries during learning. They work OK during normal operation, but their lower voltage won't necessarily let the remote write to flash ROM (which is how it "learns") reliably.

Thanks. Maybe I'll talk myself into trying it one more time, with better batteries. Now, where can I find that cheap $5-10 remote that works with DVR+?
 

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My Sony RMVLZ620 has no problems learning all the dvr+ codes. I love this remote. It replaces all the remotes I have but it will run you a little more than $5 to $10.
 

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I'm hoping @keeper sees my quote above and responds. Of course, there's no guarantee that remote is under $10 either.

If not (and the Dish remote remains too cantankerous), I second the recommendation of the Sony. Controls up to six video and two audio devices. It's a learning remote (no built-in DVR+ codes), but unlike the Dish remote, you don't have to teach it all the DVR+ remote commands in a single session. Also no colored buttons, but there are four buttons labeled A, B, C, & D that will do the job.
 

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I'm hoping @keeper sees my quote above and responds. Of course, there's no guarantee that remote is under $10 either.

If not (and the Dish remote remains too cantankerous), I second the recommendation of the Sony. Controls up to six video and two audio devices. It's a learning remote (no built-in DVR+ codes), but unlike the Dish remote, you don't have to teach it all the DVR+ remote commands in a single session. Also no colored buttons, but there are four buttons labeled A, B, C, & D that will do the job.
What do you need brother? I use Simple Control app for IPAD. Sorry didnt realize what you were asking. For IR control of devices I use Itach that works with Simple Control.
 

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My Sony RMVLZ620 has no problems learning all the dvr+ codes. I love this remote. It replaces all the remotes I have but it will run you a little more than $5 to $10.
... I second the recommendation of the Sony. Controls up to six video and two audio devices. It's a learning remote (no built-in DVR+ codes), but unlike the Dish remote, you don't have to teach it all the DVR+ remote commands in a single session. Also no colored buttons, but there are four buttons labeled A, B, C, & D that will do the job.

Thanks for the info. :)
 

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Now I really, really hate this remote! Not only does it very easily miss buttons, it simply refuses to learn some, including the < > buttons.

Waste of money, waste of time. I really should've gone with my orig. idea, which was to buy a $5 remote that's already set, with code, to control this DVR. If one exists.
As far as I can tell, there are no $5 remotes that have the DVR+ pre-programmed. You'll need either fully programmable / learning remote or something like the Harmony remotes. The Harmony database does have the DVR+ listed under CM-7500 model number, and the Harmony 300 / 350 can sometimes be found for ~$30. There are remotes that are easier to program than the Dish remote ... many will let you re-program a single key instead of starting from scratch each time.
 

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The reboot involving pressing the power button seems to have solved the time problem for me. Thank you!
Set up a daily manual recording on PBS to see if that might help keep the time stable.

Last weekend, I manually set the time and when I checked on it it this weekend, it was off by about 4 minutes. Even when I would try to set the time, it would be off by that amount. That's when I resorted to the reboot.
 

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What do you need brother? I use Simple Control app for IPAD. Sorry didn't realize what you were asking. For IR control of devices I use Itach that works with Simple Control.
Thanks for answering! We were wondering what brand your roommate's remote control was. (The one that listed the CM7500tb1.) Or was that the Simple Control app too?

We're looking for a cheap universal remote control that will operate the DVR+ by just entering a code (i.e., without a learning or programming step).
 

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The reboot involving pressing the power button seems to have solved the time problem for me. Thank you!
Set up a daily manual recording on PBS to see if that might help keep the time stable.

Last weekend, I manually set the time and when I checked on it it this weekend, it was off by about 4 minutes. Even when I would try to set the time, it would be off by that amount. That's when I resorted to the reboot.
That's a lot of drift! 4 minutes over a 7 days is > 30 sec. per day. That's a pretty inaccurate clock :eek:

The DTVPal had the same problem: if you manually set the time, it would gain about 8 sec. per day, or about a minute per week. If you did the reboot (two reboots needed for the DTVPal), it would lock to either the TVGOS time (which no longer exists) or to the PSIP average and not drift.
 

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Thanks for answering! We were wondering what brand your roommate's remote control was. (The one that listed the CM7500tb1.) Or was that the Simple Control app too?

We're looking for a cheap universal remote control that will operate the DVR+ by just entering a code (i.e., without a learning or programming step).
Simple control used to be called Roomie remote lol. My roommate now is my wife. She doesn’t care much for ht stuff. I was referring to simple control when responding to your questions.
 

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"Roomie Remote" - LOL! And thanks.

Well, there you go, @SirCrow. If you have an iPad, you can use the Simple Control aka Roomie Remote app. Looks like it costs $9.99, just within your budget.

Except - Apple didn't give the iPad an IR blaster, so you'll have to buy one. Geez, for those prices, you'd think they'd throw in the app for free.

You sure you don't want to give that Dish remote one more try?
 

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As far as I can tell, there are no $5 remotes that have the DVR+ pre-programmed. You'll need either fully programmable / learning remote or something like the Harmony remotes. The Harmony database does have the DVR+ listed under CM-7500 model number, and the Harmony 300 / 350 can sometimes be found for ~$30. There are remotes that are easier to program than the Dish remote ... many will let you re-program a single key instead of starting from scratch each time.
Bummer. Why couldn't they have given the Dish remote a single-key method?

"Roomie Remote" - LOL! And thanks.

Well, there you go, @SirCrow . If you have an iPad, you can use the Simple Control aka Roomie Remote app. Looks like it costs $9.99, just within your budget.

Except - Apple didn't give the iPad an IR blaster, so you'll have to buy one. Geez, for those prices, you'd think they'd throw in the app for free.

You sure you don't want to give that Dish remote one more try?

Definitely not going with the iPad idea! That's all I can say. :(
 

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Yeah, for what they want for a WiFi IR blaster, you could get a Harmony and have $$ left over. I mean, it's a nice idea, but that's just too much. (And Apple probably could've built an IR blaster into the thing for $5 or so!)

So if you can't get the Dish remote to cooperate even with brand-new batteries, sell it on eBay and pick up one of those Sony remotes.
 

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That's a lot of drift! 4 minutes over a 7 days is > 30 sec. per day. That's a pretty inaccurate clock :eek:

The DTVPal had the same problem: if you manually set the time, it would gain about 8 sec. per day, or about a minute per week. If you did the reboot (two reboots needed for the DTVPal), it would lock to either the TVGOS time (which no longer exists) or to the PSIP average and not drift.
When I returned to check on it, I tried to manually set the time. I would put in one time and either I wasn't doing the equivalent of enter/save or it was immediately off by 4 minutes. So that might be user error.
 

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Or a bug.... I suspect most folks either rely on Internet time or whatever the DVR+ gleans from PSIP. So I could imagine a bug with manually setting the time going unnoticed for quite a while.
 
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