[BeMurda]

Hi there,

I am looking for a new receiver to power my new setup. KEF LS50 Black Editions and dual SVS SB-2000s.

I'm looking for something to eq subs in my room as that is the last remaining issue I'm having with sound. I'm not sure whether the different YPAOs are different for sub eq and what levels have what differences.

I'd also like app control if possible because I already use it on my basement setup. The Yamaha controller app works very well.

I'm unlikely to buy a Denon product again because the last unit I used here bricked in less than a year and the cost of shipping to and from service centre was more than the value of the unit. Since it bricked I've been using a Harman Kardon AVR 147 which sounds good other than lack of connectivity and the aforementioned sub concerns.

Also, is there any easy way with these receivers to set up a low pass filter? Like, could I crossover at 80hz but then also just delete any frequencies below 20? Etc. Since it's music. Would be interesting to play around with.

 

[enricoclaudio]

Any receiver put inside that cabinet the way you have the HK with not enough clearance on top for air circulation, will last less than 6 months. I would strongly recommend taking the receiver out of the bottom shelf and put it on top of the cabinet or at least make room on top for an AC Infinity Aircom T10. Just my 2 cents.

 

[eriksells916]

@BeMurda, yes first thing is arrange those shelves for a new receiver to have at least 2-4 inches breathing room on all sides. Look at getting one of these, its only 1.5 inches tall and could add years of life to your receiver https://www.amazon.com/AC-Infinity-Rear-Exhaust-Receivers-Components/dp/B01LW1Q429/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=aircom+t8&qid=1566074808&s=gateway&sr=8-1

Second, the version to calibate dual subs is ypao with rsc (rx-v781, rx-a870, a880, a1080, a2080, etc) however, the mic only goes to like 31hz, so you will need to get another mic in order to get the sub calibrated to 15.6hz. Someone with a Yammy needs to confirm this as i only have read this on a few forum threads here.

p.s. I have an enclosure like yours where I would like to put a sub. I read that it can rattle that furniture apart in a matter of weeks since they are not built into the furniture. How do those SVS sound in those cabinets?

 

[jdsmoothie]

Hi there,

I am looking for a new receiver to power my new setup. KEF LS50 Black Editions and dual SVS SB-2000s.

Only the Yamaha A2080/A3080 models can calibrate dual subs whereas in contrast the Denon X3600H is the lowest dual sub model.

 

[BeMurda]

Any receiver put inside that cabinet the way you have the HK with not enough clearance on top for air circulation, will last less than 6 months. I would strongly recommend taking the receiver out of the bottom shelf and put it on top of the cabinet or at least make room on top for an AC Infinity Aircom T10. Just my 2 cents.

I had been looking at a Marantz thin line receiver since I have never had a problem with Marantz, but they also have their issues apparently with shared ownership with Denon. What is the best sub EQ I could get with one of those thin suckers?

@BeMurda, yes first thing is arrange those shelves for a new receiver to have at least 2-4 inches breathing room on all sides. Look at getting one of these, its only 1.5 inches tall and could add years of life to your receiver https://www.amazon.com/AC-Infinity-Rear-Exhaust-Receivers-Components/dp/B01LW1Q429/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=aircom+t8&qid=1566074808&s=gateway&sr=8-1

Second, the version to calibate dual subs is ypao with rsc (rx-v781, rx-a870, a880, a1080, a2080, etc) however, the mic only goes to like 31hz, so you will need to get another mic in order to get the sub calibrated to 15.6hz. Someone with a Yammy needs to confirm this as i only have read this on a few forum threads here.

p.s. I have an enclosure like yours where I would like to put a sub. I read that it can rattle that furniture apart in a matter of weeks since they are not built into the furniture. How do those SVS sound in those cabinets?

Thanks, I'd prefer not to buy that thing though. I can possibly drill some holes in the back of the unit, put it in one of the sides and open the door when in use. Though that would be an ordeal. I know the cooling isn't very good right now but this thing is old as heck and I wouldn't mind

This seems to be inconsistent with jdsmoothie below, just wanted to clarify?

The furniture looks much fancier than it is, it's bought at a box store so not even solid wood throughout or anything. I've had the left side sub in there for years. No damage whatsoever. No rattles whatsoever, but if you have two bits touching and making noise, it's easy to just get a small felt from a hardware store and stick it in between.

Only the Yamaha A2080/A3080 models can calibrate dual subs whereas in contrast the Denon X3600H is the lowest dual sub model.

That's unfortunate, thanks for letting me know. It seems like some of these music-oriented stereo receivers should really have some proper sub EQ.

Are there older models that do it? I don't need the newest video-related chips, etc of course.

 

[enricoclaudio]

I had been looking at a Marantz thin line receiver since I have never had a problem with Marantz, but they also have their issues apparently with shared ownership with Denon. What is the best sub EQ I could get with one of those thin suckers?



Thanks, I'd prefer not to buy that thing though. I can possibly drill some holes in the back of the unit, put it in one of the sides and open the door when in use. Though that would be an ordeal. I know the cooling isn't very good right now but this thing is old as heck and I wouldn't mind

This seems to be inconsistent with jdsmoothie below, just wanted to clarify?

The furniture looks much fancier than it is, it's bought at a box store so not even solid wood throughout or anything. I've had the left side sub in there for years. No damage whatsoever. No rattles whatsoever, but if you have two bits touching and making noise, it's easy to just get a small felt from a hardware store and stick it in between.



That's unfortunate, thanks for letting me know. It seems like some of these music-oriented stereo receivers should really have some proper sub EQ.

Are there older models that do it? I don't need the newest video-related chips, etc of course.

I had a Marantz NR1606 in my bedroom which I replaced it last year with a Marantz SR6013 which is way better than the Nr1606. The NR series has no SubEQ HT. The lowest model with SubEQ HT from Marantz is the SR6013 or this year SR6014.

 

[jdsmoothie]

That's unfortunate, thanks for letting me know. It seems like some of these music-oriented stereo receivers should really have some proper sub EQ.

Are there older models that do it? I don't need the newest video-related chips, etc of course.

Nope. The Yamaha A20X0/A30X0 models have always been the only AVR models that can do dual sub EQ.

 

[BeMurda]

Nope. The Yamaha A20X0/A30X0 models have always been the only AVR models that can do dual sub EQ.

Thanks. That's really disappointing and will naturally push a lot of people toward the Denon products which are a lot cheaper!

 

[Pete7874]

Thanks. That's really disappointing and will naturally push a lot of people toward the Denon products which are a lot cheaper!

My guess is most people do not run dual subs, or if they run dual subs, they don't necessarily care to have them individually calibrated, to it's probably not "a lot."

 

[jdsmoothie]

My guess is most people do not run dual subs, or if they run dual subs, they don't necessarily care to have them individually calibrated, to it's probably not "a lot."

In addition to individually setting the level/delay of each sub, these "dual sub" models also allow for independent volume control of each sub whereas the lower models with their dual sub pre-outs simply are using an internal "Y" splitter with single volume control of both subs.

 

[Alan P]

Couple of points;

Even though you have dual subs, they look to me like they would be pretty much equidistant to the MLP. If that is true, there is really no need for dual sub calibration ability in your AVR.

If you had your Denon mounted in the same cubby as your current AVR, I am not surprised at all it didn't make it to it's first birthday...I wouldn't hold it against Denon, that's for sure.

 

[BeMurda]

Couple of points;

Even though you have dual subs, they look to me like they would be pretty much equidistant to the MLP. If that is true, there is really no need for dual sub calibration ability in your AVR.

If you had your Denon mounted in the same cubby as your current AVR, I am not surprised at all it didn't make it to it's first birthday...I wouldn't hold it against Denon, that's for sure. /forum/images/smilies/wink.gif

That's true, they are pretty much equidistant.

So if I just want good sub eq for a single sub using 6 splitter, what's the best option. Does the Yamaha RX-V485 work? And what about other brands? I there a difference between YPAO, RSC and higher end ones for single sub? Do I need a different mic than what is included?

 

[bear123]

Why not just get a miniDSP 2x4 HD for $200 that you can use from now on no matter what amp or AVR you use? Grab a Umik-1 mic and download REW. You'll be able to do a lot more than whatever auto eq program will do. Measuring with REW might also reveal if your placement is poor and needs to be worked on. The miniDSP will allow custom house curves etc.

I love having the ability to boost the low end on my sealed subs....gives me tremendous LFE effects without having to listen at reference level.

 

[PioManiac]

Second, the version to calibate dual subs is ypao with rsc (rx-v781, rx-a870, a880, a1080, a2080, etc) however, the mic only goes to like 31hz, so you will need to get another mic in order to get the sub calibrated to 15.6hz. Someone with a Yammy needs to confirm this as i only have read this on a few forum threads here.

Only the 2080/3080 models offer individual dual sub outs

Do I need a different mic than what is included?

No, you don't use a different mic with a Yamaha AVR other than the one provided.
The 31.3Hz limitation is in part due to the mic provided, but also the YPAO auto calibration software itself.

To make manual calibrations down to 15.6Hz requires a calibrated mic, like a miniDSP UMIK-1
that you plug into a laptop/mac book and use the free REW (Room EQ Wizard) software to measure your rooms frequency response.

You can then make corrections manually in the Yamaha PEQ section based on your REW measurements,
The Yamaha has 4 Bands of EQ available, down to 15.6Hz....but you need to learn to use REW first.

I have 4 Subs in my room (Yamaha RX-A3070) and YPAO works fine for my speakers (7.4.4 ATMOS layout)
But for my Subs I prefer to use REW (free download), a UMIK-1 ($75) ....and a miniDSP 2x4HD ($200)
That has 2 inputs, 4 outputs and 10 bands of EQ, down to 10Hz (allows individual EQ/Delays/Crossovers/Gain adjustments for each sub out)

You can even use the REW software to generate calibration files to upload directly to the miniDSP

For movie lovers, the biggest benefit of all is the ability to load BEQ corrections for 900+ titles with a single mouse click

More info in the BEQ (Bass EQ) thread here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-subwoofers-bass-transducers/2995212-bass-eq-filtered-movies.html