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According to antennaweb.org, here's the status of Cheyenne-based DTV:
  • KLWY-DT (Fox on 28) is scheduled to go live on Dec 11 2002
  • KKTU-DT (NBC on 11) is scheduled to go live on Dec 15 2002
  • KGWN-DT (CBS on 30) is scheduled to go live on Dec 31 2002

I've sent email to each of the above stations asking for an update. So far, only the GM of KGWN has responded:
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Thanks for your note. Yes the plan is to be digital by 12/31/02. I

would guess we will be slightly behind schedule, and should be fully HDTV for mid to late January.

I'll post the other responses if and when I get them...

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On 10/18 I received an email from KKTU (NBC) and they said that they would be up in about six months. So that would put them on in mid April.


On 11/27 Joan Turner at KGWN emailed me that they were still hoping for mid to late December. When was your email from KGWN?


I don't know anything about the Fox up there.


If anyone sees anything , let us all know here! I can't wait - Denver TV is about to lose my viewing.
 

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I don't know if it is possible, but you might want to change the name of the thread to Northern Colo./Southeast WY DTV or something like that, since it is mostly the Cheyenne stations that seem to be of interest here. We might attract more participation from Cheyenne residents and maybe even from the Cheyenne stations that way.


Sorry to hear that KGWN has fallen behind schedule.


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I guess I'll have to ask for an antenna rotator for Christmas! Or just wait for the wind to blow; seems like every other week my 8-bay bowtie ends up pointing at Greeley.
 

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I hope you guys will still post notices in the Denver thread too. I would like to give the Cheyenne stations a shot with my UHF antenna when they go hot just to see if I can get them as a substitute for the Denver fiasco. I know I used to get the analog Cheyenne stations years ago from Boulder in a house just about a mile from where I am now. Haven't tried lately.
 

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Great Idea on the thread.


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Hey fellow Northern Coloradoans -


How strong does 32-1 come in for you? My Zenith C32V23 is able to receive it with a simple $2 RS bowtie loop, from the middle of a ground floor apartment in North Loveland. However, I wasn't able to receive it at all with a WinTV-D connected to a Winegard UHF yagi.


I'm trying to determine how much to attribute to the station being really strong, vs the Zenith's new 8vsb chip being really good, vs the WinTV-D being really bad...


- digiphotonerd


P.S. Has anyone tried 28-1 today? I'm anxious to see if it's online...
 

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P.S. Has anyone tried 28-1 today? I'm anxious to see if it's online...

I tried it tonight--nothing.


However, I am getting a bit of activity on the signal strength meter on Channel 11, but no lock. I wonder if KKTU is doing some testing. If so, I hope it is at lower than their final power. The meter just bounced around--usually at 0, with some bursts into the 50s.


I'm worried about interference in some of these cases. Channel 12 has a translator on Channel 11 somewhere in the Boulder area. According to KBDI's site, that is the channel we should tune to in northern areas (see http://www.kbdi.org/about/coverage.asp ), although I don't know why, since channel 11 only gives a very weak fuzzy picture, while channel 12 looks great. But I am worried about channel 11 causing problems with KKTU-DT.


Anyone else able to get anything on channel 11?


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I'm trying to determine how much to attribute to the station being really strong, vs the Zenith's new 8vsb chip being really good, vs the WinTV-D being really bad...

Very interesting...I'm running a WinTV-HD receiver here and I'd be interested to see the difference you get between the two receivers. I get channel 32 with no difficulty; basically a piece of wire will work. Even on the small yagi that I can rotate, I cannot find a spot where it will not lock up perfect.


I've noticed that the software (WinTV2000) has a problem with displaying the signal strength, so I cannot give an actual number. (It displays 22.4dB all the time)


It seems to pick up the other (ch18) DTV channels pretty good, and the analogs appear fine, so I can't explain your Win cards problem.


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Channel 12 has a translator on Channel 11 somewhere in the Boulder area.

This is also news to me...It must be fairly low powered as the only signal I can get on 11 is the station out on Colorado Springs. Nothing (analog) else is on 11 at this time at my location...


Thanks for the new thread...


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However, I am getting a bit of activity on the signal strength meter on Channel 11, but no lock. I wonder if KKTU is doing some testing. If so, I hope it is at lower than their final power.

I got a reply from the chief engineer at KKTU this morning:
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Actually we are currently broadcasting a DTV signal in Cheyenne. It is rather low power and we are on a temporary antenna that puts most of the power over Cheyenne. It is channel 11. It is currently just standard definition, but it is a very high quality signal because we feed it with a digital uplink.


Good luck and let me know if you can receive it.

...and here's the message I sent back:
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Thanks for the reply. Any idea when you'll be broadcasting at a higher ERP and/or from the permanent antenna? There are a lot of folks in Northern Colorado that have given up on Denver and are anxious to start watching the Wyoming stations for their DTV...

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Looks like it's time to twist the antenna and see if I can find it!!
 

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Very interesting...I'm running a WinTV-HD receiver here and I'd be interested to see the difference you get between the two receivers. I get channel 32 with no difficulty; basically a piece of wire will work. Even on the small yagi that I can rotate, I cannot find a spot where it will not lock up perfect.

Hmmm -- I guess my experience is either due to the WinTV-D's tuner being really bad, or "user error" with the way I've configured the WinTV2000 software. I can get both "lock" boxes to turn green, but the output window stays solid blue. Any ideas?


Once the Cheyenne stations are up, maybe we should set up a "tunefest" where we take our various receivers to someone's house, and see how well they tune the various stations using an identical antenna feed. It'd be nice to have some solid data when making recommendations to friends...


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I tried to get channel 11 in last night by rotating my antenna, but I wasn't able to pull it in at all. I didn't see anything at 28 either.


Anyone else have any luck?
 

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From the engineer's comments at KKTU, it sounds like that one is pretty much a lost cause for Northern Colorado viewers. Maybe we can get some more info from the GM or something.


I think the FCC won't protect them from "interference" to their digital signal unless they are full power by the end of 2004, which is a long way away. So, if they are on with a temporary low-power setup now, there is probably little incentive for them to do anything else until that timeframe, assuming their primary interest is not to spend the $ until they have to.


KKTU was one of the channels whose extension to complete construction was denied by the FCC. See http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/files/dendtvextreq.pdf and search for "KKTU". I notice they have been granted a Special Temporary Authority as of 12/03/02, which expires 6/03/03, but we are pretty much in the dark as to what their plans are beyond that.


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Is anyone up North receiving channel 29? This is KDEN-DT in Longmont/Fredrick which is a 'shop-at-home' channel. They're ID'ing both 25 and 29 on their analog channel 25.


I'm getting partial lock at this time, lots of frame errors, but no picture yet...I'm guessing it's another micro-power / temp antenna situation. I'll check this in the morning.


It may not be HD, but I'd like to see something other then 32.


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On another note, I talked to an amateur radio fellow in Cheyenne tonight as he tried to receive DTV channel 11.


Interesting results: He was unable to get his receiver to work at all on 11, seems it goes into some kind of lock up every time he attempts to tune channel 11...He says there is a short blip of a strong signal, then it goes nuts. The receiver is a Samsumg SIR-T150. The only way to clear it was to cycle the power. Anyone else have a SIR-T150? The receiver works fine on the UHF channels 18, 32, and 35 out of Denver. (He lives on the ridge next to the channel 27 tower at I-25 and terry ranch)


Anyway, no luck in getting channel 11 in Cheyenne...So hard to tell how the signal is down here.


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Joan Turner at KGWN has now said that is will be January before they are on the air. They are waiting for a crew to install the transmitter at the site. Everything else is set to go.


Still nothing on any Northern Faux stations. I haven't seen anything from the Cheyenne station, and the Ft. Collins (21) won't lock at all. I emailed Peter Bangas [email protected] to tell him that no one here is able to get it, but he has not emailed me back.


And of course nothing out of 11 for me either.
 
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