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You can't go wrong with sony vl600. URC made remotes like the wr7 have very low power IR, and very small learning memory compared to the sony. And every once and while the WR7 will run into command, that it will never learn. Never had that trouble on the sony.
 

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I just looked at some of the reviews and features of the Sony. Looks great for the price!



My question is: why are people paying $200 for programmable remotes when the Sony seems to have almost the same capability for 1/10th the price??
 

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I have a Sony RM-VL610 (that was $20 on sale at The Source), I sold my 880 as I didn't need the power of the 880 for my 4 device system. Great remote.
 

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I think the RM-VL610 is the newer model of the RM-VL600 and probably not much diff in price. My only issue with the Sony is lack of backlighting.
 

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Yeah, I like the 610 a little better because it has the "upgraded" DVD controls for frame forward and chapter skip that the 600 doesn't have.
 

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Originally Posted by Drew_V /forum/post/18237899


My question is: why are people paying $200 for programmable remotes when the Sony seems to have almost the same capability for 1/10th the price??

The key word is "almost". If it doesn't do what you need then it isn't worth the low price to that person. An activity based remote with the ability to map discrete codes is the key for most people to gain the all important WAF.


Not to mention the need for RF if you have some hidden devices.
 

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Is the RM-VL610 discontinued? It seems to be OOS on most websites. It is available on Amazon but only from marketplace.
 

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The key word is "almost". If it doesn't do what you need then it isn't worth the low price to that person. An activity based remote with the ability to map discrete codes is the key for most people to gain the all important WAF.


Not to mention the need for RF if you have some hidden devices.

I have to jump in here and put in a plug for the one partial exception to the above rule, which is JP1 remotes. The RCA RCRP05B, for example, is a $20 remote has the ability to map discrete codes and make "activity" macros as well as program from a PC. It's just a little more difficult to program (no wizards), and you can't see your softkey names on an LCD. In fact, I have to use my cheap one-for-all quite a bit just to teach my expensive remote discretes that aren't in its database.


Pauses are no problem. State tracking with JP1 is doable, but takes some programming skill to pull off. But unlike harmony, you can nest macros on some JP1 remotes and have complete control over what's in them. You can put several functions on one key (shifted, long press, double press and short press). You can also backup and restore as many configs as you want on your own computer and aren't tied to a web server.


RF is a different story. While there are a few RF JP1 remotes around (URC-9910 comes to mind), they're very hard to find. Otherwise you'll have to go with a 3rd party solution like next generation.


For the sake of full disclosure, to do all this programming via a PC you need to buy or build a $20-$30 cable. But the software is free. And there's a big community of expert users and developers to help you with any problems.


You may ask if JP1 is so great, then why do you use an expensive remote as well? JP1 served me well for nearly 10 years. My remotes could run circles around harmony any day in terms of speed, durability and customization. But when refurbs harmonys started to approach JP1 prices ($30-$40), I gave them a try. While the clunky, labyrinthine software and 5 step macros are very frustrating, as Bryan pointed out, the WAF is indeed higher because she can see the macro names and soft button names on the LCD. So the family can use the harmony on one side of the room, and I can use my JP1 on the other side, and in other rooms where I don't need to spend a lot of money.
 

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I have to jump in here and put in a plug for the one partial exception to the above rule, which is JP1 remotes. The RCA RCRP05B, for example, is a $20 remote has the ability to map discrete codes and make "activity" macros as well as program from a PC. It's just a little more difficult to program (no wizards), and you can't see your softkey names on an LCD. In fact, I have to use my cheap one-for-all quite a bit just to teach my expensive remote discretes that aren't in its database.

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do you have a suggestion other than the remotes mentioned... the $20 RCA is only a 5 device...looking for a 7/8 device
 

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You have a couple of options. If you get a cable, you can use 3 hidden devices on the RCA, bringing it to 8. If you don't plan on getting a cable, the URC-8820N is 8-device and the URC-10820N is 10-device. Both are JP1.3 like the RCA and are available on amazon for less than $20. You may also be able to find on clearance at your local radio shack (not online) the 15-133 (8-device), 134 (5-device + 3 hidden) or 135 (7-device + 1 hidden). Those are JP1.3 as well and are likely dirt cheap. If you load a custom operating system of sorts into the remote, you can have an essentially unlimited number of devices via multiplexing. I have about 12 devices on my 15-134 using the multiplexer. But I don't think the RCA has that capability yet, but it's in the pipeline (I think).


You may already have a JP1 remote and not even know it. Many cable and tv remotes are JP1, like the atlas ocap and some charter, comcast, etc., cable remotes, as well as some insignia, sanyo and vizio tv remotes. Several of the cable remotes on THIS page are JP1, although few are more than 5-device without multiplexing. A complete list of every known JP1 remote is in my signature.
 

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I think my 5 device cable remote is URC-8700L-TRW but I do not think it is a learning remote -- I think the 8720L is the learning remote.


I axed cable but I still want to control a dtv converter and Windows MCE.
 

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That one isn't a JP1 remote. So there's no potential with that one.

Yeah, I noticed it has only 4 pins under the battery cover.


Not sure I am going to go for a JP1. Might just stick with the Sony.


Between customizing my cell, my htpc and other stuff I just do not want to sink time into programming remotes. I know it has its benefits but then again a $20 remote becomes a $35 remote if you factor in the cable.
 

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The sony is a great choice. But I think it's been replaced by RM-VLZ620 according to THIS review, which may be why the 610 is getting harder to find. That said, I have no idea where to find a 620. The WR7 is an excellent remote as well.


JP1 does require more time, effort and expense. Just wanted to others to know such an option existed on the low end if they're willing to get their hands dirty.


But my advice for getting any cheap remote is to buy at a local B&M for an easy return if it doesn't have the codes you need or enough learning memory.
 

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The sony is a great choice. But I think it's been replaced by RM-VLZ620 according to THIS review, which may be why the 610 is getting harder to find. That said, I have no idea where to find a 620. The WR7 is an excellent remote as well.


JP1 does require more time, effort and expense. Just wanted to others to know such an option existed on the low end if they're willing to get their hands dirty.


But my advice for getting any cheap remote is to buy at a local B&M for an easy return if it doesn't have the codes you need or enough learning memory.

The RM-VLZ620 still has not been released but Sony has the manual on their website. I've been using the WR7 for awhile and its ok but nothing amazing.

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/RMVLZ620.pdf
 

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A little late on this but the Sony RM-VLZ620 is available from abt for $24, and should start popping up in more places soon. I think this will be what I go with. I think these Sony remotes are hard to beat. Also just to note, I don't think the picture of this remote, that is floating around right now, is correct. It shows the remote with 2 menu buttons near the channel and volume buttons, and no mute button. But if you look at the official manual from Sony it indeed does have a mute button.
 

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I preordered the RM-VLZ620 from Amazon for 24,99, free shipping with a filler. Already got the filler =)
 

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Cool. I think I'll be ordering mine soon as well.

Amazon shipped the RMVLZ620. Since I also own the URC WR7 I will post back my comparison as soon as I get familiar with the new Sony.
 
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