[kepople]

Time to get your guys input...


History:

We had our house built and moved in on Halloween. The house was built with the media room option over the living room and before the builder sheet rocked I was able to at least get my wiring in. The house is wired to whole house audio, and streams from the Puter downstairs. I ran Cat 6 everywhere for an intercom, and an seperate network of Cat 6 to all the media centers to the office where the router and Mac are located. So I am hardwired to the router for downloading movies to Apple TV soon.


Now that we are here, I have finished my hookups for the media, and got the Home Theater hooked up and running, and calibrated it for the present situation.


Heres where you guys come in...

Time for the pretty up, and finish out of the room to turn it from a dedicated media room to a true home theater.


Specs:

Sony HW10 Projector

Peerless mount

Elunevision 1.2 gain 120" white screen

Denon 2809ci hooked HDMI to the projector

Sony BDP350 Bluray player

Uverse

Apple TV

Samsung DVD player (for playing DVD audio discs) More on that later

Klipsch F3 mains

Klipsch C3 Center

Klipsch S3 surrounds

Klipsch 12 Sub


Room:

18'x18'x8'

4 Berkline 13174 seats in curved configuration

Rack to be determined


So next up:

Acoustics and paint


The room has an echo, and little mid range bass even with the sub and dual woofers on the towers.

The only acoustic plan for sure so far is to deaden the front wall by completley covering it will 1.5" or 2" JM814. Wedge shaped bass traps will go in the front corners floor to ceiling, and the screen will be remounted placed away from the wall a few inches to accomodate rope lights behind it.


Other than that... I am open for suggestions for decorations, and acoustic treatments. let me add right now that I know the proper thing to do would be to get someone in here to measure the acoustics and follow thier advice, but I also know what I want to hear in the room, and I dont hear it yet.


As far as decor, the front wall will be covered with black fabric, either burlap or GOM701 as will the bass traps. The side walls will get panels at the reflecting points and/or a chair rail hieght acoustic treatment all the way around the room and 2x2 panels at the reflecting points.


I am open to suggestions for color, design, acoustics, and whatever else you have.

Thanks for looking...heres the snappers...

Kirby

Screen Wall

 

[kepople]

Ps. I will post some ideas later after I pencil them on some of these photos, but I am thinking a stage, and the wife wants curtains... Not a fan, but WAF is important.


Kirby

 

[whiskey alpha]

1) black ceiling

2) darker wall color

3) Acoustical treatments

4) remove that contractor grade light fixture on the ceiling

5) a riser for tiered seating

6) theater seats


Just a few suggestions

 

[whiskey alpha]

And after looking at the room dimensions I would probably build a false wall to help eliminate the room being square

 

[kepople]

Okay some decisions have been made.


Walls-

Cost of treating the whole room with the fabric we like is too high.

We will be painting the walls above a chair rail a darkish tan to match the carpet.

Below the chair rail will be a dark microsuede fabric

Panels-

I will build 6'x2' acoustic panels, framed, and covered with Burlap. They will be as evenly spaced as possible, and I believe 8 will be the magic number. The sides will be 2" thick, and the back wall will be 4" thick.

Screen wall-

The screen wall will be covered completley with 1.5" JM814, be hind frames of Black speaker fabric.

Bass traps-

Floor to ceiling bass traps will be used made either from 12"x24" squares, or 17x17x24" triangles. the rear left corner will have a bass trap below and above a custom built rack. Next to the rack will be a concession counter top.

Decor-

I will hang black velvet curtains next to the screen

Soffet-

I will build a 12"x6" soffet around the room, filled with insulation and panel covered with the black fabric. I will use this to hide the curtain rods, and add screen lighting


two things still under debate:

What color to paint the ceiling (Black or a dark brown to match the carpet


what color to paint the molding, doors, and outlets (leave it white, paint it black, or a dark brown)


Opinions on the last three and suggestions are of course welcome on the rest.


Kirby

 

[Ericthemidget]

Your dimensions are killing you, as the room is a square. Not good for acoustics. Also, add some molding, change the lighting, and get some new furniture. Paint as well. Hope that helps!

 

[swithey]



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Originally Posted by kepople /forum/post/0


So the bass traps were going to be 1'x1' cut in half so a depth of 17" at its deepest point to the wall. I was just going to stack the triangle pieces in the corners, and build a cover, or put my tower speakers behind another panel to conceal it all.

I do not think the 1x1 cut in half will give you near enough bass absorption for your size room (especially since you won't have any in the back of the room). You can do one of (2) things. Get some 2 JM814 and cut each of the 2x4 pieces into 2x2. Then cut those 2x2 pieces diagonally. Stack them in the corner. This will give you a much more substantial bass trap. The other option is to get some 5.5 thick cotton insulation. E.O. Wood does not carry it but there is a place in Dallas that does. It is not a stock item but they can get it. I've never ordered it from them before but happy to give you the contact's name and you can ask. In any event, they come 2' wide x 8' long x 5.5 thick. All you do is hang the cotton vertically and stack them 3-4 deep. No cutting ☺ This is what the material looks like.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kepople /forum/post/0


I was thinking last night that 1" on the screen wall was not goign to do it, I am glad you pointed that out. I can get the LM814 from EO Wood in 1.5" at .45 per sf so I am hoping that would be enough, but they do have the 2" as well but its over 2x the price for some reason. Can I use that for the screen wall in leu of the Linacoustic? Is that a better choice?

I have 2 JM814 on my front wall and it works out very well. I would think you could get away with 1.5 (given the cost difference). BTW, E.O. Wood in Ft. Worth has about the best pricing on this. The place I mentioned above is in Dallas and will match the pricing if you twist his arm a little. The Dallas guy is closer to me -- which is the reason I buy from him (however, I bought my original order of 2 JM 814 from EO Wood).

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Originally Posted by kepople /forum/post/0


Would I be better off using the 1.5" 814 below the chair rail all around the room as well? Then 2" 2x2 panels at the reflection points above that?

That is a hard call. You have to be careful not to absorb too much in the room. You might be able to use the 1" stuff below and the 2" stuff above. This is where Brian Pape's (of Sensible Sound Solutions) help really pays off. He is a forum member (bpape) and I used his expertise to make sure I had my room in balance. His fees are very reasonable and may be worth an email to him. You can PM bpape and ask him anything.


My room is 14.5 wide x 19' deep with an 8-10 foot vaulted ceiling. I have (3) bass traps, (7) wall panels and (3) ceiling panels in my room. The combo of all of these make the room sound great. When the room has the right balance of absorption, it make the bass sound better and dialog a lot easier to understand (without having to turn it up)


Remember, don't forget about your 1st ceiling reflections. 2" material up there will be very helpful as well (roughly ½ way between your screen and listening positions).

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Originally Posted by kepople /forum/post/0


Would I be better off using Mineral wool for my stack floor to ceiling bass traps instead of the 814?

Mineral wool is a great bang for the buck. The only thing I've heard is that is sheds a bit and can be a little messy at installation. But I would guess that once it is installed (and most likely never disturbed), it should work out fine. You can cheat a bit on the bass traps by adding 6-12" air gap behind the trap. This will give you more absorption without the extra material.

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Originally Posted by kepople /forum/post/0


I am going to probably order a set of 4 berklines due to the width of my room.

DO you guys know anything of the reputation of these guys?


Ultimate Home Entertainment...
http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...-recliner.html


The other company I am considering ordering from is HTMarket.com
http://www.htmarket.com/ht-13175.html


Opinions before I pull the trigger please...

The 1st reference above is sold by a guy named Roman. I've only heard great things about him. He is an AVSForum sponsor as well as a member. If I had to buy from anyone, I would put him at the top of the list. This is his direct website .

 

[swithey]



Quote:
Originally Posted by whiskey alpha /forum/post/15520469


And after looking at the room dimensions I would probably build a false wall to help eliminate the room being square

A front false wall (say 2' deep) could be nice to hide your front bass traps and LCRs. It gives a very clean look. You can buy black speaker cloth at JoAnns with a 40% off coupon and inexpensively cover your entire front wall . This will allow you to put your speakers behind the material and not encounter any sound changes. Put some curtains on the sides for a splash of color for the WAF and you are good to go. Inexpensive pre-made panels can be bought at a number places in Dallas. It worked well in my room and my wife is VERY picky.

 

[swithey]

Are any of these walls next to an attic space (give that the room is upstairs)? If so, you could build your DIY rack into the attic to give is a nice clean appearance inside the room.

 

[daeagles]

Damn man you blind.


Also hopefully you ran wire for a 7.1

 

[kepople]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Ericthemidget /forum/post/15563457


Your dimensions are killing you, as the room is a square. Not good for acoustics. Also, add some molding, change the lighting, and get some new furniture. Paint as well. Hope that helps!

Ummm... not really...


k

 

[kepople]



Quote:
Originally Posted by daeagles /forum/post/15563672


Damn man you blind.


Also hopefully you ran wire for a 7.1

Its there, and will eventually be done when there is more content...


Kirby

 

[agmitch]

Nice little room - lots of possibilities. One suggestion: I was originally considering burlap for panel/wall covering, but after reading a few posts in other threads, I agree that it is too flamable (and may be against building code). I would (and will) pay the extra dollars for GOM.


How do you like your 120" Elune Vision screen. I currently project on a wall and am considering the same screen when I finally build out my front wall.


bill

 

[kepople]

I have been impressed with the screen and the sony projector. I recieved a sample of the screen matierial they sell on Ebay it was similar to this.

the frame construction is very good, and you cant beat the price.


kirby

 

[Samaritano]



Quote:
Originally Posted by swithey /forum/post/15563502


The other option is to get some 5.5 thick cotton insulation. E.O. Wood does not carry it but there is a place in Dallas that does. It is not a stock item but they can get it. I've never ordered it from them before but happy to give you the contact's name and you can ask. In any event, they come 2' wide x 8' long x 5.5 thick.

Steve.

Can you pm me with the info on where to get the 5.5" cotton insulation?


Thanks

 

[swithey]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Samaritano /forum/post/15643014


Steve.

Can you pm me with the info on where to get the 5.5" cotton insulation?


Thanks

PM Sent

 

[whiskey alpha]

Kepople. If you are not happy with the burlap, or the GOM stuff, I know McCall covered hers with stretch velvet. I also stole ther idea and did my panels with stetch velvet. It's always on sale at Michaels and Joann's fabrics and it pretty easy to work with. Just a suggestion.

 

[whiskey alpha]

any updates?

 

[gwh1]

Hey Kirby,


Where'd you go?


Wendell

 

[kepople]

I am here...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1133102


I guess the moderator did not like my photos being hosted by thier competotor so they changes the links and corrupted my embedded photos.


Not sure why its an issue as you can upload photos directly to AVS as I did, but they dont show up inline unless you host elsewhere...


you can go to the competitors for the complete build...


kirby