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Here are a few photo's of the room with Drywall up...

A front view... the 'green tape' screen, is a 130" Wide 2.35:1 aspect ratio. I am pretty sure I am going to go a little bigger, but haven't decided exactly what yet. The Max Size I could go, is 140" wide and still maintain ~ 30" from floor to bottom of screen with out hitting the upper right soffit. That would also get me very closet to the electric panels.

All the lumber is for the eventual Riser.




Here is a picture looking towards the back... the room on the Left is the AV Closet, and the door on the rear wall/to the right, is the entry door. This is a 'double stud' wall, so, one door will open into theater and the other door will open 'out' into the rest of the basement.




And this is the AV Closet... it is ~ 44" wide, and almost 11' long (although, with 3' of door, in theory closer to 8' of wall space)... I am still debating using Wire Shelving as my shelving, but haven't decided for sure yet.


I am a bit side-tracked on trying to finish making a Pirate Bed for my son, and then, I'll work on the riser... which, will then allow me to do flooring in the rest of my basement... I am hoping to finish the Pirate Bed this weekend, but my optimism usually exceeds my time & capabilities.
 

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I followed an other thread of yours that didn't get any response: "Klipsch KL/KS 7800 vs Definitive Technologies UIW RLS/RSS II In Wall for Home Theater"
Did you decide definitively :p on the Klipsch route? Any particular reason?

I'm planning a new theater with in-walls all around and these are two of my forerunners.
 

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I followed an other thread of yours that didn't get any response: "Klipsch KL/KS 7800 vs Definitive Technologies UIW RLS/RSS II In Wall for Home Theater"
Did you decide definitively :p on the Klipsch route? Any particular reason?

I'm planning a new theater with in-walls all around and these are two of my forerunners.
I ended up going with the Klipsch route... I just literally ordered them 2 days ago, so, don't yet have them.

I was swayed by the "THX Certified", which many will say isn't all that big of a deal . I don't know that it is - but I largely couldn't decide, so, just chose that as the difference for me. But, really, there wasn't a huge reason I chose them.

I definitely wanted a built in enclosure, which both of these have... I think I looked at Atlantic Technologies, and their rear/surround one's didn't.

Not sure when I'll get them, and I am far from an audiophile... so, not sure how good of feedback I can provide. When I get a chance to listen to them, I might be able to say 'they sound great'... but I might have said that for 90% of the speakers out there, so, not sure you'll get a good educated/critical review from me.
 

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I am pretty far from an audiophile my self... What I want from my HT audio system is clear dialog, good surround positioning and some LFE punch. Subed to follow along... I'll start a new build thread of my own once we get a roof on the new house and I can get inside and concentrate on the fun stuff.
 

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And this is the AV Closet... it is ~ 44" wide, and almost 11' long (although, with 3' of door, in theory closer to 8' of wall space)... I am still debating using Wire Shelving as my shelving, but haven't decided for sure yet.
Depending on where you plan on putting your equipment you could also use the adjustable closet type shelving track and then make some nice wood or MDF shelves to put on the mounting brackets. Then you'd be able to readjust the shelf height to accommodate different pieces of equipment. I'm going to use this method for mounting my surrounds within my columns. This way I can adjust the speaker height later if need be.
 

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Depending on where you plan on putting your equipment you could also use the adjustable closet type shelving track and then make some nice wood or MDF shelves to put on the mounting brackets. Then you'd be able to readjust the shelf height to accommodate different pieces of equipment. I'm going to use this method for mounting my surrounds within my columns. This way I can adjust the speaker height later if need be.
If I do the wire shelves, I would do the 'adjustable' brackets like your speakers. I thought about wood/mdf, but wasn't sure the support brackets would work with those... it seem like the 'horizontal' support brackets are fairly specifically designed for the wire shelves. I think I want ~ 20" deep shelves, so, maybe there are some supports out there for wood/mdf - I haven't looked all that much yet.
 

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If I do the wire shelves, I would do the 'adjustable' brackets like your speakers. I thought about wood/mdf, but wasn't sure the support brackets would work with those... it seem like the 'horizontal' support brackets are fairly specifically designed for the wire shelves. I think I want ~ 20" deep shelves, so, maybe there are some supports out there for wood/mdf - I haven't looked all that much yet.
You can buy shelf brackets I think up to 18" long. They have predrilled screw holes to anchor to a shelf from the bottom. The brackets will then latch into the wall mount tracks.
 

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You can buy shelf brackets I think up to 18" long. They have predrilled screw holes to anchor to a shelf from the bottom. The brackets will then latch into the wall mount tracks.
Good info! I just looked around a bit, and found some that are 19". I was a bit worried about using wire shelves, so the option to use wood will be great...thanks!
 

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Well, I have now received a bunch of my AV Equipment... if only I was making progress on the room:



I purchased a Denon AVR-4520 and my projector, a JVC DLA-RS-4910 (and Chief mount, ceiling plate down-rod).

I also got my speakers... 5 Klipsch in-wall KL-7800-THX and 4 Klipsh KS-7800-THX speakers.
- the KL line is for the front LCR & 2 Rear Speakers
- the KS's are the surrounds, definitely will do one row of surrounds, and then not sure if I'll do another row of surrounds or if I'll use the other pair for "Width" speakers.

My speakers will be mounted inside my columns, inside the overall room envelope to help minimize sound escaping.

The Denon can process 9 speakers, I haven't done any reading yet on how to set up two sets of side surrounds, so I am hoping it can be done with out another amplifier.

I have the MDF to build two 'full marty' DIY sub's, but haven't even started cutting... or ordered the 18" drivers. I was considering UXL-18s, but haven't been able to get a reply from the company, so may save a little and go with Dayton Ultimax 18s. I am a bit concerned the in-walls won't have much mid-bass, and I think the UXLs are better at the higher bass frequencies, although frankly, my knowledge on all that is somewhat limited.

I have visions of grandeur in terms of making progress in my basement, and hopefully theater, over the Christmas break... although, my guess is my wife will likely squash those plans. I hope to put down ~ 1,200 square feet of engineered hardwood and 120+ square feet of tile in the 'rest' of the basement before I really do much more work in the theater. I might build the Riser, in large part because I need to build the portion of the riser 'outside' the theater before doing the rest of that work.
 

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I finally made a bit more progress, I have my 2 level Riser and Bar framed & plywood on the tops. Still need plywood along the front/edges.

I am cramming 3 rows into my theater room with 2nd row being 5 seats, so, I didn't have room to do a step onto the riser inside the room. My theater room is in my basement, essentially immediately to the right as you come from the 1st floor down into the basement. I decided to 'extend' the bottom step to become a riser outside the theater room.




I built my riser, and of course filled with Insulation:



Here are a couple of pictures with the decking on, you can see the 'center' elevated portion, which is for my 2nd row of Theater Seats. LEARNING... I didn't 'measure' before hand to make sure an electric box would fit in the height difference between the risers, and in fact it won't. So, if you want a step light in an electric box, make sure you have enough room. I am initially going to try with no step light, but wired an outlet in the front of the bar where I could add some LED strip lighting later if needed.




This last picture is looking towards the front of the theater,


Other Progress...
- I have at least cut the Column MDF down to size, meaning my 8, ~ 18" wide column fronts, and my 16 4" deep column 'sides'. I don't have any holes cut in them yet, but at least made a a little progress. I am mounting my side & rear speakers inside the columns. I initially planned Sconces on the columns, which I am still considering, but now am concerned that my walk-paths may be too narrow.

I might go with a different column light plan if I can figure out a way to manage a bunch of LED strips. I am thinking if I inset the column sides say 1-2" on each side, and put shoe mold on the rear edge of the front columns, I could put LED strips behind the lip. I am thinking something like folks do with their Risers, but the edges of the columns. I just want to be able to control them in some fairly efficient fashion.

The other Big Decision... I decided to get in on the UXL 18" Sub Driver 'group buy' (now closed), and committed to purchasing 2 UXL-18s. I already had 4 sheets of 4x8 MDF to build large Ported Enclosures (Full Size Marty Subs), and at least got those sheets cut in 1/2 yesterday, and cut down my port rails as well. My wife then informed me it was time to clean stuff up and get ready for dinner.

In terms of the rest of my basement, I have now installed all the engineered hardwood, and opted to have a guy the tile floor & tub/showers in the two bathrooms. So, now it is down to getting my woodwork (doors, trim), cabinets (wet-bar), and final plumbing installed. Then I can focus more entirely on the theater room.
 

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How's it going? Sounds like you've got your hands full! I broke my cardinal rule of not unpacking any of the speakers and electronics until I was finished. I was getting a bit burned out with construction and needed a diversion. So I spent a few hours laying out my equipment rack and front speakers. It was good motivation! :)

How about some pics of your handiwork in the rest of the basement?
 

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Things are going, but of course, much slower than I would have guessed before I started... two kids, lots of activities, two working parents, seems I seldom have time to work, and of course this forum has cursed me with all kinds of things I needed to do other than finish a room as I normally would!

I'll start with a few theater oriented pictures...

This is one of my Palliser Lemans Theater seats - the headrest extends and rotates forward to provide better head support in a reclined position. I have a total of 9 of these, most are still in the boxes you'll see in other pictures. My front row will be a |OVOOVO| configuration. The second row can be either a |OO|O|OO| or a |O|OOO|O| configuration.




These are still in boxes, but I have 5 of these bar stools for the 3rd row of the
theater room. They are adjustable height, and I liked having armrests for comfort.







This picture is coming from my upstairs down into the basement. The first door you see will be installed going into the AVS Closet. The second door is the 'outside' door when entering the theater. It is double 1/4" Laminated Glass, which is supposed to have decent sound reduction. The last door, will be on the 'inside' of the theater - so, I have 'communicating doors', one opens out and one opens in. I will be using Zero International door seals.



You can't really tell, but the 'floor' these doors sit on are an elevated riser, which carries into the Theater room.



The basement itself, outside the theater room, is getting much closer to being done. I largely now need mirrors in my bathrooms, and to fill nail holes & paint trim work/ window jambs/ post columns.

I'll start with my excel version of my overall basement layout.... so, I have the Theater room, a "Great Room/TV" type area; a Bedroom - which my daughter has now converted to a 'gymnastics' room.; an exercise room; a wet bar - Game Area" for pool table/trampoline/ basketball hoop, and two bathrooms - one attached to the bedroom, and one general purpose.


If you are standing at the bottom of the stairs, with theater at your back... this shows the tv area with my palliser chairs in boxes, and further on where you see a column -that gets into Wet Bar-Game area... to the right hand side you see a wall and behind it and to the right is the bedroom.



This is the same room looking from the other side. You see the theater door, and then on the left, we have a walk out basement so the double doors go outside. My Tenative plan is a 70" Vizio 4K tv to mount in the black box on the wall (a Monoprice, between studs, tv mount) - but I am a bit concerned about the still developing 4k environment, so, might go with something smaller & cheaper for awhile (with a plan to redeploy as a replacement to my 10 year old 50" 720p Plasma, serving as the kids bonus room tv for now).



This picture shows the wet bar as standing in the game area. We have a 54" x 54" square table we use as a 'bar table', as we prefer it to a standard bar.



This is the game area from the wet-bar, the door on the far right is the extra full bath room.


This is the spare bedroom, now turned gymnastics room, with my daughter doing a front hip circle, and the 16 foot balance beam in the back. This room is immediately underneath the master bedroom, so, I reapplied some of my 'sound proofing' learnings in this room. I have green glue & dw on the sub-floor, R-19 insulation, clips & channel, and two layers of 5/8" dw with GG on the ceiling... in this room and the attached bathroom. The rest of the basement, I just the insulation & Clips & channel.


Here is the Bedroom Bath...the sink & tub/shower tile are essentially the same in the spare bath. The lay-outs are a bit different, but very similar (thus, no pictures of the other one).



The last pictures are of the exercise room.. fairly large, L shaped room with my 55" tv... a relatively inexpensive JVC model, which is made by some other company who licenses the JVC name (or was it Toshiba??). Behind the elliptical/ bowflex is the AVS closet and then theater room. I have a Panasonic "Whisper Quite" fan in the AV closet room,and have it vented into the exercise room - immediately above the yellow ladder. I just put the grill on this weekend.
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So, I wish I had as much to share on the actual theater front! I have cut most of my columns, but still need to put them together.

Kevin

Some of the photo's disappeared, not sure if that was something I did, or AVS Forum did.. so, I just reinserted a few which were removed, but are more directly theater oriented..
 

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I finally had a bit of time to do some work in the Theater room...

I installed my front LCR speakers, they are Klipsch KL-7800-THX speakers. I used the same process as Spaceman did on this theater, in terms of creating a 2x4 mounting box.



The slight difference vs Spaceman's approach, was that I put a hinge on my Left & Right Speakers so, in theory I can "toe-in" these speakers. Here is a picture of the hinge side:


Here is my current set up for the 'other' side... right now, the screw threads hold this in place, not sure if this will work, or I'll do something else, but this works for the time being. I set up a cheap receiver in the AVS closet to play some music while I work. I'll put the grills on for now, but before I put my AT screen up, I'll take them off.



This is a general idea of what my columns will look like. I'll be putting the molding on all of them, using magnets to make them removable. My side and rear speakers will be mounted inside the columns. The door, is the door into the AV Closet. Not a great picture, by the side pieces of the columns are inset from the edge about 1 1/2", I'll be putting shoe mold on the edge, and then placing LED strip lights in the groove.



I originally planned to use the Sconces as shown in the Rendered images, but now think the space between my Columns and the edge of the bar is too close, to add about 6" of depth for the sconces. Hence, my decision to go with the LED light strips. This shows the space, it is about 28" I think (I measured last night, but my power of recollection isn't what it once was).



I have installed my two doors, i.e., 'communicating' doors I think it is called... The outer door is an exterior door, with 1/4" double laminated glass (i.e., 1/2" thick) and the frame is 1 3/4" thick. This Laminated glass is supposed to be a fairly good sound dampening type door. The inner door is 1 3/4" solid mahogany. I have Zero International door stops for it, the sides & top are mounted, I wasn't sure if I should mount the bottom now, or wait till carpet is installed.



Here is a picture of rear of the theater, where I'll have bar seats (bar will come out basically just past the 2x4 wall you see). Given I have a 3' wide door, this will be a bit tight, but trying to get in 2 full reclining rows & a bar/bar stools was a tight fit in 22 1/5". Part of using the 'in-wall' speakers, so, my screen is close to the wall.


I also put the vertical plywood on the front of the riser and cut around the electric/ speaker boxes for that.

I still have a few more columns to put together, and all the column molding/frames. They'll be made and then fabric stapled on the back, secured with magnets.

Kevin
 

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Nice progress. Looks like it's coming together.
 

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I continue my sporadic approach to my home theater, although, feel I am getting closer....

I completed my columns, putting shoe mold on the back side of them - I will have LED Light Strips behind the shoe mold. I used a Router for the first time when I was putting a round-over on my Riser Steps, it was extremely easy... So, I decided to put a rounded edge on the columns as well, to make it look a bit more symmetrical with back side/ shoe mold.



Here is a picture of the Columns installed. I primed behind the columns, and primed/painted the ceiling immediately above the columns. The top outlets are for the LED lights, the bottom outlets are just for the general use - likely seldom ever used. I'll have easy access to an outlet or two in front, and a few outlets in the bar - as well as Riser outlets. You can see the white casing/frames that I'll put around the column fronts, I plan them to be removable, using Velcro. I did a slight mortise (after this picture) on the column face to account for the thickness of the velcro.



Here is the other side of the room..


I also started preparing for making my Fabric Frames... the walls will be totally covered with Fabric Frames. I opted to go for 3/4" Plywood, and am cutting into ~ 2" strips, and will use my Kreg Jig/Pocket Screws to attach them. I used a circular saw, with a Kreg Cutting Guide to cut the same size strips. I later cut some 3/4" pieces of MDF on my table saw, and in retrospect... I should have used that to cut the plywood into strips as well.



Here is the pile after I was done..


I also started building my full size "Marty Subs", i.e,. 2' x 2' x 4' Ported enclosures. I am in the 'First 60', of the current UXL-18 Group Buy. I'll plan on using a iNuke 6000 DSP to power my subs. With the ease of use of the Router, I plan on using the router to do roundovers on the ports & all corners. The White Caulk you see in the back corners (also on bottom corners under the port, and will be on top of the port) - is acoustic caulking. If your eyes are really good (considering my bad picture)- you can see I am using Pocket Screws to attach my pieces together (along with PL Premium)



I am hoping to be priming the rest of the walls, painting the ceiling, and painting the columns - hopefully by the end of the weekend. I may start to put together some of my frames as well.
 

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I confess to not paying perfect attention to every step of this build so forgive me if this has been covered - do you have electrical outlets close to the ceiling in each column and if so why?
Yes, there are Outlets in top & bottom of each column. The original plan, was that I would use Sconce's on the front of each of the columns... so, the top "Outlet" was originally intended to be for a Light Junction box. The top outlet's are all wired back to my switch box in pairs of two, so, in theory, I could hook those up to different zones on a Grafik Eye.

As I was actually doing the build, and placed the bar & columns, one of the columns is right at the end of the bar- and as it is, there isn't a huge amount of room, if I mounted 6" deep sconces, I felt it would just be too small.

So... current plan is to use those top Outlets for LED Strip lights. I'll plug the LED controllers into the outlets, run them down one side of the column (behind the shoe mold) - back through the column at the bottom, and then up the other side of the Column.

I haven't tried them out yet, but my LED lights I can put into 4 zones (I have three rows of columns on the side and a pair of columns in the back), and control each zone separately. They are wifi control capable, so I can control them via a smartphone App, and also have a hand held controller.

Now I have 10 Sconce Lights I need to see if Costco will take back, despite being a year old (albeit, never used)!
 
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