Maybe for Australia. I personally do not like Samsung LCD sets Watching programming between our Panny Plasma and comparing the same to our Sony LCD, the Plasma always wins hands down on less artifacts, and more realistic colors. Also, with articles such as this, I myself tend to take with a grain of salt, because you can tell who is paying the bills for these so called reviews. Now, cnet on the other hand is starting to serve up "Bloatware" with the files on their download.com website, so no thanks to cnet.
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EVen Cnet US gave the Samsung a higher score, and gave it their "Best tv of 2011 award."
| Originally Posted by RandyWalters Your subject line should have said CNet AUSTRALIA. It's petty that they rated the VT30 below the D8000 because of the issue with it's Component input and it's pixel orbiter. Really? The real CNet however feels differently about the VT30, in their Samsung D8000 review they slotted the D8000 below the VT30. "Samsung's PND8000 is the best Samsung plasma we've ever tested, and the third-best of all time after the Kuro and the Panasonic VT30." |
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But that award was not based on the TV's actual performance, which they place below that of the VT30. Best performing is not the same as best value. People looking for the best performance don't care about getting the best value. People looking for the best value will look at lesser models, like the D7000 and ST30 or lower.
You seem to have it out for the VT30. In the other forum, you stated "And yet Sharp has managed to produce an expensive set that outperforms the VT30" even though the Sharp Elite hasn't even been released yet and nobody has compared the two. I asked you to "Please explain all of the picture quality categories where the new Sharp LCD outperforms the VT30. Please provide links and cite your references" and you suddenly disappeared from that thread.
| Originally Posted by 3reach EVen Cnet US gave the Samsung a higher score, and gave it their "Best tv of 2011 award." |
You seem to have it out for the VT30. In the other forum, you stated "And yet Sharp has managed to produce an expensive set that outperforms the VT30" even though the Sharp Elite hasn't even been released yet and nobody has compared the two. I asked you to "Please explain all of the picture quality categories where the new Sharp LCD outperforms the VT30. Please provide links and cite your references" and you suddenly disappeared from that thread.
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There are things other than picture quality and value, such as features and design. Samsung won both of those categories according to David.
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| Originally Posted by RandyWalters But that award was not based on the TV's actual performance, which they place below that of the VT30. Best performing is not the same as best value. People looking for the best performance don't care about getting the best value. People looking for the best value will look at lesser models, like the D7000 and ST30 or lower. You seem to have it out for the VT30. In the other forum, you stated "And yet Sharp has managed to produce an expensive set that outperforms the VT30" even though the Sharp Elite hasn't even been released yet and nobody has compared the two. I asked you to "Please explain all of the picture quality categories where the new Sharp LCD outperforms the VT30. Please provide links and cite your references" and you suddenly disappeared from that thread. |
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| Originally Posted by David Best overall TV of 2011 (so far): Samsung PND7000 Congratulations to the new winner of the first CNET BOTVo2011(SF) award. Its picture was good enough, and its other aspects better enough, to earn bragging rights over the PVT30, and it's a better overall value than the PND8000. |
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Add rising blacks to the Panasonic. D-Nice already said they will rise, he knows more than anyone on here. He has yet to be wrong, so it pretty much guaranteed if he says it will.
| Originally Posted by IGNIS777 Both 2011 top plasmas are not so good. Sammy (64D8000, unfortunally i`m bought one): 1) Fluctuating brightness bug (flashing letterboxes). It`s very annoying. 2) MLL -> 1.5x times higher than MLL of VT30. 3) Cinema Smooth cures FB but throw up MLL and finally ruins black 4) Different MLL-level, depends of 24/50/60 Hz 5) Rising black (maybe). Panny (65VT30, not own it, but 55VT30 stays in my house around 3 weeks): 1) Price. 2) Color oversaturation bug. Proper calibration tricky or impossible. 3) Not enought brightness level in ISF-modes (in EU models). 4) Brightness flucs. They irritated owners of pannyplasmas all first half of model lifetime. |
Add rising blacks to the Panasonic. D-Nice already said they will rise, he knows more than anyone on here. He has yet to be wrong, so it pretty much guaranteed if he says it will.
Add that both sets will fail, since we are sure it will happen some day.
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I have no interest in whether the D8000 is better than the VT30 or vice versa, but I give the edge to the extra inch of screen size that Panasonic offers.
I have no interest in whether the D8000 is better than the VT30 or vice versa, but I give the edge to the extra inch of screen size that Panasonic offers.
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Anytime Panaosnic wins everybody is happy. But hell, let a Samsung win best tv and all the Panny fanboys come out and attack. Your the one who seems to have it out for Samsung.
Oh, and The Sharp will easily outperform the VT30, quote me.
| Originally Posted by RandyWalters But that award was not based on the TV's actual performance, which they place below that of the VT30. Best performing is not the same as best value. People looking for the best performance don't care about getting the best value. People looking for the best value will look at lesser models, like the D7000 and ST30 or lower. You seem to have it out for the VT30. In the other forum, you stated "And yet Sharp has managed to produce an expensive set that outperforms the VT30" even though the Sharp Elite hasn't even been released yet and nobody has compared the two. I asked you to "Please explain all of the picture quality categories where the new Sharp LCD outperforms the VT30. Please provide links and cite your references" and you suddenly disappeared from that thread. |
Oh, and The Sharp will easily outperform the VT30, quote me.
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I say its a wash, but why try to prove some point you are never going to win. Not sure what your motivation is really, you're obviously a disgruntled person in regards to Panasonic. A jilted owner, maybe a victim of rising or floating blacks ? Regardless I dont see you as being objective. Weren't you the guy that claimed to own a Kuro then backed off when challenged.
| Originally Posted by 3reach Anytime Panaosnic wins everybody is happy. But hell, let a Samsung win best tv and all the Panny fanboys come out and attack. Your the one who seems to have it out for Samsung. Oh, and The Sharp will easily outperform the VT30, quote me. |
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LOL.
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Was this tongue in cheek?
Seriously, who cares what some review site says is the best this or that? It's not a reflection of anyone's self-worth that they own X TV instead of Y TV and some publication (which is written by human beings with their own biases and prejudices) decided that Y is the "best" based on their criteria.
I have a Panasonic GT30. I really like it. It was the best choice for me given my circumstances. If someone else things their Sammy is better for them, or better when measured by some absolute criteria, that's cool. I'm glad they are happy also.
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P.S. To put it another way, if someone says something less than flattering about your TV, it should not be deemed equivalent to insulting your mama.
LOL.
Seriously, who cares what some review site says is the best this or that? It's not a reflection of anyone's self-worth that they own X TV instead of Y TV and some publication (which is written by human beings with their own biases and prejudices) decided that Y is the "best" based on their criteria.
I have a Panasonic GT30. I really like it. It was the best choice for me given my circumstances. If someone else things their Sammy is better for them, or better when measured by some absolute criteria, that's cool. I'm glad they are happy also.
P.S. To put it another way, if someone says something less than flattering about your TV, it should not be deemed equivalent to insulting your mama.
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