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 http://www.cnet.com.au/panasonic-vie...2.htm?feed=rss




Last year, we said that the VT20 could be "seen in years to come as the 'pinnacle' of plasma design". Based on the performance of the VT30, this could still be true. While it's still a very good TV overall, and quite watchable in a normally lit room, it's no longer even the best plasma on the market. We are hopeful that some of the issues that we encountered with the component input and the Pixel Orbiter can be corrected. Given the company's reluctance to fix past issues though, we may be hoping in vain.


After such high expectations, it's with reluctance that we say the mantle has now passed to the company's rival Samsung and its D8000 plasma. Look after these honours, Samsung, because next year the Japanese company is going to be baying for your blood!
 

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Maybe for Australia. I personally do not like Samsung LCD sets Watching programming between our Panny Plasma and comparing the same to our Sony LCD, the Plasma always wins hands down on less artifacts, and more realistic colors. Also, with articles such as this, I myself tend to take with a grain of salt, because you can tell who is paying the bills for these so called reviews. Now, cnet on the other hand is starting to serve up "Bloatware" with the files on their download.com website, so no thanks to cnet.
 

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Component input?........the VT20 the pinnacle of plasma design? I don't know..............
 

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Maybe for Australia. I personally do not like Samsung LCD sets Watching programming between our Panny Plasma and comparing the same to our Sony LCD, the Plasma always wins hands down on less artifacts, and more realistic colors. Also, with articles such as this, I myself tend to take with a grain of salt, because you can tell who is paying the bills for these so called reviews. Now, cnet on the other hand is starting to serve up "Bloatware" with the files on their download.com website, so no thanks to cnet.

LCD? The comparison is with the Samsung Plasma.
 

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the entire body of the review is very positive and only the final paragraph (which the OP seemed to want to highlight) says that the 2011 Samsung may be the better buy...does cost factor into the equation?
 

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I think anyone following this subjectively can agree the VT30 is the best overall plasma, especially when calibrated, and the D7000/8000 is a strong second. All in all, the D7000 is probably the best bang for buck, especially when calibrating.


For the record, I own the D7000.
 

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Your subject line should have said CNet AUSTRALIA. It's petty that they rated the VT30 below the D8000 because of the issue with it's Component input and it's pixel orbiter. Really?


The real CNet however feels differently about the VT30, in their Samsung D8000 review they slotted the D8000 below the VT30.


"Samsung's PND8000 is the best Samsung plasma we've ever tested, and the third-best of all time after the Kuro and the Panasonic VT30."
 

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Your subject line should have said CNet AUSTRALIA. It's petty that they rated the VT30 below the D8000 because of the issue with it's Component input and it's pixel orbiter. Really?


The real CNet however feels differently about the VT30, in their Samsung D8000 review they slotted the D8000 below the VT30.


"Samsung's PND8000 is the best Samsung plasma we've ever tested, and the third-best of all time after the Kuro and the Panasonic VT30."
EVen Cnet US gave the Samsung a higher score, and gave it their "Best tv of 2011 award."
 

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EVen Cnet US gave the Samsung a higher score, and gave it their "Best tv of 2011 award."
But that award was not based on the TV's actual performance, which they place below that of the VT30. Best performing is not the same as best value. People looking for the best performance don't care about getting the best value. People looking for the best value will look at lesser models, like the D7000 and ST30 or lower.


You seem to have it out for the VT30. In the other forum, you stated "And yet Sharp has managed to produce an expensive set that outperforms the VT30" even though the Sharp Elite hasn't even been released yet and nobody has compared the two. I asked you to "Please explain all of the picture quality categories where the new Sharp LCD outperforms the VT30. Please provide links and cite your references" and you suddenly disappeared from that thread.
 

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Both 2011 top plasmas are not so good.


Sammy (64D8000, unfortunally i`m bought one):

1) Fluctuating brightness bug (flashing letterboxes). It`s very annoying.

2) MLL -> 1.5x times higher than MLL of VT30.

3) Cinema Smooth cures FB but throw up MLL and finally ruins black

4) Different MLL-level, depends of 24/50/60 Hz

5) Rising black (maybe).


Panny (65VT30, not own it, but 55VT30 stays in my house around 3 weeks):

1) Price.

2) Color oversaturation bug. Proper calibration tricky or impossible.

3) Not enought brightness level in ISF-modes (in EU models).

4) Brightness flucs. They irritated owners of pannyplasmas all first half of model lifetime.
 

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Originally Posted by RandyWalters
But that award was not based on the TV's actual performance, which they place below that of the VT30. Best performing is not the same as best value. People looking for the best performance don't care about getting the best value. People looking for the best value will look at lesser models, like the D7000 and ST30 or lower.


You seem to have it out for the VT30. In the other forum, you stated "And yet Sharp has managed to produce an expensive set that outperforms the VT30" even though the Sharp Elite hasn't even been released yet and nobody has compared the two. I asked you to "Please explain all of the picture quality categories where the new Sharp LCD outperforms the VT30. Please provide links and cite your references" and you suddenly disappeared from that thread.
There are things other than picture quality and value, such as features and design. Samsung won both of those categories according to David.


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Best overall TV of 2011 (so far): Samsung PND7000

Congratulations to the new winner of the first CNET BOTVo2011(SF) award. Its picture was good enough, and its other aspects better enough, to earn bragging rights over the PVT30, and it's a better overall value than the PND8000.
 

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Both 2011 top plasmas are not so good.


Sammy (64D8000, unfortunally i`m bought one):

1) Fluctuating brightness bug (flashing letterboxes). It`s very annoying.

2) MLL -> 1.5x times higher than MLL of VT30.

3) Cinema Smooth cures FB but throw up MLL and finally ruins black

4) Different MLL-level, depends of 24/50/60 Hz

5) Rising black (maybe).


Panny (65VT30, not own it, but 55VT30 stays in my house around 3 weeks):

1) Price.

2) Color oversaturation bug. Proper calibration tricky or impossible.

3) Not enought brightness level in ISF-modes (in EU models).

4) Brightness flucs. They irritated owners of pannyplasmas all first half of model lifetime.


Add rising blacks to the Panasonic. D-Nice already said they will rise, he knows more than anyone on here. He has yet to be wrong, so it pretty much guaranteed if he says it will.
 

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Add that both sets will fail, since we are sure it will happen some day.



I have no interest in whether the D8000 is better than the VT30 or vice versa, but I give the edge to the extra inch of screen size that Panasonic offers.
 

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But that award was not based on the TV's actual performance, which they place below that of the VT30. Best performing is not the same as best value. People looking for the best performance don't care about getting the best value. People looking for the best value will look at lesser models, like the D7000 and ST30 or lower.


You seem to have it out for the VT30. In the other forum, you stated "And yet Sharp has managed to produce an expensive set that outperforms the VT30" even though the Sharp Elite hasn't even been released yet and nobody has compared the two. I asked you to "Please explain all of the picture quality categories where the new Sharp LCD outperforms the VT30. Please provide links and cite your references" and you suddenly disappeared from that thread.
Anytime Panaosnic wins everybody is happy. But hell, let a Samsung win best tv and all the Panny fanboys come out and attack. Your the one who seems to have it out for Samsung.



Oh, and The Sharp will easily outperform the VT30, quote me.
 

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No that's not it. CNET Australia are idiots and can't be taking even remotely seriously. When the rising black level thing broke, they were playing it down and mocking avs users - even after cnet us had confirmed it and were going to start testing in earnest. Cnet.au just keeps putting out articles for people to read, regardless of whether or not there's any content in them worth reading.


At least CNET here in the states has some kind of standards and professionalism.
 

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Anytime Panaosnic wins everybody is happy. But hell, let a Samsung win best tv and all the Panny fanboys come out and attack. Your the one who seems to have it out for Samsung.



Oh, and The Sharp will easily outperform the VT30, quote me.
I say its a wash, but why try to prove some point you are never going to win. Not sure what your motivation is really, you're obviously a disgruntled person in regards to Panasonic. A jilted owner, maybe a victim of rising or floating blacks ? Regardless I dont see you as being objective. Weren't you the guy that claimed to own a Kuro then backed off when challenged.
 

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The problems are pixel orbitor and watching DVD via components. I don't know much about the pixel orbitor, but they say this is something other brands have had for years.


These problem seem kind of niche to me. Are people going to buy this set and watch regular DVDs on it? It seems like if you're watching a DVD, you aren't looking for the best possible picture.


I'm not trying to bash Samsung and I'm certainly not a huge Panasonic fan, but the authors of this article don't seem to understand that when compairing flagship models, you need to compare against high quality source material.
 

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Man, the panny fannies are out in bunches! Do alot of you guys and gals work for panasonic?

I know panny sponsors alot of forum sites but gezzzzzs !!!!

Samsung is the best tv for 2011 so face it! let is go ! there is always next year.!
 

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Man, the panny fannies are out in bunches! Do a lot of you guys and gals work for panasonic?
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Samsung is the best tv for 2011 so face it! let is go ! there is always next year.!

LOL.
Was this tongue in cheek?


Seriously, who cares what some review site says is the best this or that? It's not a reflection of anyone's self-worth that they own X TV instead of Y TV and some publication (which is written by human beings with their own biases and prejudices) decided that Y is the "best" based on their criteria.


I have a Panasonic GT30. I really like it. It was the best choice for me given my circumstances. If someone else things their Sammy is better for them, or better when measured by some absolute criteria, that's cool. I'm glad they are happy also.



P.S. To put it another way, if someone says something less than flattering about your TV, it should not be deemed equivalent to insulting your mama.
 
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