252 GS points?!?!?!As one of the Klein owners who very insistently asked Steve to add some sort of intelligent integration feature to the K-10A in LS / CS, I was really excited to test the latest beta of CS, as it brought the new Klein API and the highly anticipated intelligent integration.
After some hour of testing, I felt like I finally have a Klein! Fast and furiously accurate! I won't annoy you with what I did and how. I will jump directly to what are my settings for accuracy and speed and what I think is the best compromise between them.
Accuracy: Max integration 5 seconds, Intelligent integration 1 NIT, Average low light OFF. It needs 9' 36" to read 252 GS points.
Speed: Max integration 0.125 seconds, Intelligent integration OFF, Average low light OFF. It needs 1' 23" to read 252 GS points.
The Genius settings (which is as accurate as the "Accuracy" one but a lot faster): Max integration 1.250 seconds, Intelligent integration OFF, Average low light OFF. It needs 2' 35" to read 252 GS points.
HERE you can see the difference on 252 GS points between the "Accuracy" and the "Genius" settings.
So thanks @Light Illusion (and Klein) for anticipating Christmas
Using the 'Intelligent Integration' feature, you set a nits value below which the meter will perform a second, third, fourth, etc. reading, increasing integration times up to the maximum integration time of 6 seconds for i1Display PRO. For Klein K-10A 4 seconds is the default, the max is a lot of higher.Miki, Thanks for the testing. At a high level can you describe how intelligent integration works? Is your Klein now a lot faster than your i1D3?
Ted thanks for the Detailed explanation. The reason why i said High-level is it's nice to know all the details but i just wanted to understand how the feature worked so i know how to use it. Faster for me is better so i'm glad this was implemented. I will help me a lot. Good work!Using the 'Intelligent Integration' feature, you set a nits value below which the meter will perform a second, third, fourth, etc. reading, increasing integration times up to the maximum integration time of 6 seconds for i1Display PRO or 4 seconds for Klein K-10A.
The readings will stop as soon as a stable and valid reading is achieved.
When no valid and stable reading is achieved, a 'zero' value will be returned, enabling the software a replacement value when generating a calibration LUT intelligently.
That function was available from September 2017 in LightSpace for i1Display PRO users only.
Now it's available for Klein users also.
You can say that Klein had to update their API to make this possible, so its a teamwork with ColourSpace Team with Klein.
It was also a request from advanced ColourSpace users like Miki, Leon, Enrico, Fabio etc. ...to improve even further the calibrations and reduce the total profiling time.
So you can say that at the same time, you can measure twice the number of patches, or reduce to half the 5000 regular patchsets for profiling.
High-Level language required when a color-scientist talk with another color-scientist, or a developer to another developer.
There no need to talk/ask for 'high-level' info every day, as the only information you need is some additional info but simplified for all users to understand.
High-Level info is something like that:
Hi Stacey, Could you please give some guidance on what can be learned from the pictured color patterns from the disc? I'm struggling through the process of getting an acceptable picture out of my projector, so I'm sure I'll have more questions, but I thought this one would be an easy start. If...www.avsforum.com
While I posted, the average number of users hasn't understood that post...., so it was pointless for the average users to have such 'high-level' info.
About ColourSpace/LightSpace, any meter function is explained to each meter page, so all pages are updated to cover any change:
Thanks Steve & Ted!
It's interesting that you were able to save the file with colons in it, for me it did not work. It doesn't work trying to rename an existing file into one that has a colon in its name either, Windows Explorer doesn't let the typed colon be added to the new name.
Drift 15 is not required for any reason to use, and it will not provide any help with any display, its very low value.I managed to save a 17-sized cube after profiling the C8 this time, but I have a question.
I used a drift setting of 15, and I got this drift graph, with an irregularity near 0.4:
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Is there a way to know which measured points were affected, in order to retake those measurements?
Would you advise creating a LUT with "Drift Compensation" enabled for it in the "LUT Tools" window, or not?
For Klein, the 'factory default' is 4 seconds.Ted thanks for the Detailed explanation. The reason why i said High-level is it's nice to know all the details but i just wanted to understand how the feature worked so i know how to use it. Faster for me is better so i'm glad this was implemented. I will help me a lot. Good work!
Hi Fabio,The improvement in speed and accuracy is outstanding. Compared to the old Klein API, I see significant improvement in Gamma tracking, such as more accuracy at low luma points. Also I created a new optimized patchset which contains 5400 patches and 50 grayscale points. The results of my profile are ridiculous low the 3 points over 1 have an max dE value of 1.16 credits to this awesome excel sheet goes to @Anker.miki
My optimized handmade patchset looks like this
Hello,So with this new klein api implementation,the settings for lg oleds are:
1. Stabilisation 0.350 sec
2. Intelligent int ”unticked”
3. Average low light ”unticked”
4. Integration 1.250 sec
5. Extra delay time 0 sec
Great.I finally did it. I was able to get great results on custom 1 and 2. I know it's silly, but I am pretty happy right now. It has fixed trouble spots on certain testing scenes that I could never fully get corrected.
After selecting the meter profile data files @ Active and Reference Probe for your colorimeter, tick the Probe matching.Silly question probably but now that there is a Probe Matching Active box in Graph Options I just want to make sure-- In order to use Manual Measure only is probe matching "On" for the Connected Probe when you have selected the Active Probe and Reference Probe in Probe Matching while using the Connected Probe (presumably after the Measure All steps have been made for each probe)?