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I have not seen or heard either a 1500 or a 2500, but I have looked at the manuals and the extended code sets on the Yamaha website. From that, I have drawn some conclusions, which may or may not be right. This list is not meant to be exhaustive, but rather some intersting things I noticed.


The 1500 looks like a combination of the old 1400 and 2400 with some minor improvements. Compared to the 1400, it has more power (like the 2400), an RS-232 interface (like the 2400), a new front panel display (volume in dB rather than a bar graph, PLIIx light added and some minor re-arranging), the RS-232 portfrom the 2400 has been added to the rear panel (which otherwise looks like a 1400), and it has a new remote. The remote includes macro capabilities as well as the ability to access "optional" discrete functions like the 2400 remote could, but which was not available on the 1400 remote. Audio delay/lip sync is still not on the remote. If you look at the new RS-232 control codes, they even reference the 2400 in one place, making it pretty clear that the 1500 is mostly a mix of the 1400 and 2400. Additionally, the lack of the new PLIIx discrete extended IR codes (available on both the 750 and the 2500) and input trim - see below - supports that conclusion. The 1500 does have new 19kKHz/24 bit DACs, which are also on the 2500.


The 2500 is more of a re-design and most of the new features are not in the 1500. The 2500 includes a new GUI for the OSD, although it appears to be mostly a visual enhancement to the setup on the 2400. The GUI is not included on the 1500. The front panel has the same new look at the 1500, but the rear panel has been re-arranged, with the addition of a third set of component inputs and a new speaker terminal wrench! The 2500 has the new remote, with the addition of 2 keys to recall saved settings, which are set as part of the GUI. These appear to be the same home bank save/recall features that were available on the 1500/2400 - they are just now in the setup and on the remote. This allows saving and recalling different YPAO settings, amongst other things. The save/recall volume discretes are still present on both the 1500 and 2500 but are not available on the remote. The 2500 also lets you trim the inputs to account for different levels on inputs from various devices. This is a great addition, but the 1500 does not have this feature as far as I can tell.


PLIIx Movie and Music discretes are included in the 2500, but are not available from the remote and are not available on the 1500. It is nice to have these included in the extended IR codes, but it is very disappointing that they are not directly available on the remote and that they seem to be excluded for the 1500. Given that these discretes are available on the 750, it really disappointing not to have them on the 1500. The 1400/2400 were one of the very first PLIIx implementations, but the access to those modes was very hard to learn. It looks like it is only marginally better for the 1500/2500, which is disappointing.


The 1400/2400 seemed to be basically the same designs, with some additional features on the 2400 (RS-232, zone 2 video out, different remote, and slightly more power). The addition of new basic features (like the GUI setup, the PLIIx discretes, input trim, 3 component inputs) seems to indicate a bigger difference in the design of the 1500 and the 2500 than in the previous units. The really new features (other than the new DACs) seem to be only on the 2500. One question that I have is whether the YPAO was improved on the 2500 and if so was it also done on the 1500. That I cannot tell from the manual, unfortunately.
 

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"The new RX-V1500 YPAO process now completes in 3 minutes and the test tone intensity is minimized and automatically changes the test duration dependent on room noise"
 

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Thank you dtc. Do you know when the 2500 will be available ? I have been looking for a new Yamaha receiver after I sold my Denon 3803. The 3rd component input on 2500 is nice but it will be replaced with HDMI soon. So it makes senese to save the $200 for the next new receiver. I really need to know which one sounds better in both music and HT. If they sound almost the same by using the same DAC, I will save the $200 to get a 1500.
 

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From what I have heard the 1500 is just coming to market and the 2500 is suppose to be available within a month, but I have not special knowledge on that. If the YPAO on the two is the same, there should be little to no difference in sound, assuming that the new DACs are the same on the two units. My only reservation would be that there were more changes for the 2500 than the 1500, so it is still possible that the 2500 has a different upgrade to the YPAO than does the 1500. We may have to wait for the 2500 to ship be sure. But in any case, the differences will probably be minimal.
 

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The 2400 is now selling at the same price as 1500. Which one should I get. All I care is sound on HT and music. Any suggestion ? Or should I wait for 2500. Hope it come out sooner as I do not have a receiver now........ I am not sure if I can wait another month.
 

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The difference between the 2400 and 2500 is extremely minor, but it may be important to some. The 2500 has a -slightly- modified front display, I think 20 w/pc more in power, a fancy nice GUI instead of the old text based UI, a user adjustable PEQ, a newer YPAO setup, and three component inputs instead of two.


I would get the 2400 - it is an incredible deal for what you are getting, and it still has all the functionality of the 2500.
 

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The 1400/2400 are great values and features..

However note that their rated power specs are grossly stretched, so as the new models 1500/2500 roll out yet claiming 20W more per CH I would take this lightly.


Having said that one should try the Yamaha with their loudspeakers to verify their compatibility and expectations..
 

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Hi controller2K and dtc:


The more I look at 1500, the more I think it is as good as or even better than the 2400.


1500 has newer DAC, newer YPAO, newer macro remote, newer PIIx version, same on almost everything else including the following:


- Same 120W x 7 [8 ohms, 20 Hz–20 kHz, 0.04% THD]

- Same Dialogue Lift for Enhanced Dialogue Sound

- Same 7-Band Graphic Equalizer

- Same Audio Delay for Adjusting Lip-Sync

- Same component input conversion with 2 component input

- Same number of optical input and output.

- Same front panel input connection.

- Same Selectable 9-Band Subwoofer Crossover

- Same RS232 connector

- Same back panel !


I do not care about zone control and the number of sound programs.


On 2500, beside the new design, very "nice" GUI and 10W more, it also has the subwoofer phase control that I do not see in 2400 and 1500. Is this an important feature ? My Infinity 1000 Watts sub also has phase control.


Here are the manuals to these receivers:
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/customer/m...RX-V2400_U.pdf
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/customer/manuals/RX_V1500.pdf
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/customer/manuals/RX_V2500.pdf



Unless the sound of 2500 is better than 1500, I am now gear toward for 1500 model instead of the 2400 and 2500.


Does anyone has a chance to demo the sound between 1500 and 2500 at the show ? Please comment.


Yamaha site now show both 1500 and 2500 as new receivers. It also show 2400 and 1400 as new :confused:


Here the more info to compare these 1400, 1500, 2400, 2500 receivers:
http://www.audioholics.com/cedia/ced...00receiver.php
http://www.audioholics.com/cedia/ced...00receiver.php



Thanks :cool:
 

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There is no "newer PLIIx version"; the 2400 and 1400 have been shipping for some time now with PLIIx.


As for the rest, I think you're right with the 1500 vs the 2400 (I didn't think of that). I think it comes down to a matter of cost.


If your sub has phase control (many do), it isn't needed in the receiver.


I am sure the 2500 has slightly nicer internal components than the 1500 does (just as the 2400 did over the 1400), but the audible difference HAS to be next to nil. In retrospect, I would have purchased the 1400. Good luck!
 

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johnovox - I did not see lip sync on either remote and I do not believe there is a discrete code for it. So, I believe you still need to dig throgh the menus.


The 2400 has video out (S video) on zone 2, which the 1500 does not, if that matters. Other than that, the 1500 certainly seems equal to or better than the 2400 in most other areas.


The 2500 adds volume trim on the inputs, which is very nice, easy access to 2 different system settings (including YPAO) from the supplied remote, 3 component inputs, discretes for PLIIx (although not on the remote) and, of course, the mounted speaker terminal wrench. The 2500 seems to me to be more worth the extra $200 over the 1500 than the 2400 was over the 1400, mostly because of the volume trim. OF course, you can also get a HTM MX-700 and set up macros that do essentially the same thing and get a great programmable remote - for the same $200, if you are into programming remotes.
 

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The difference between the 1500 and 2500 is only $200?


I'd go for the 2500 in that case, if only for the nicer menus. :)


Discrete codes for IIx is a plus too (the 2400 has them as well.)


Otherwise, the 1500 seems like an incredible deal.


Go to the mass market version sure to come out, and it is beyond a good deal into unbeatable.


Yamaha is impressive, both in quality -and- price. I actually "downgraded" from a Denon 5800 to the Yammy and find the 2400 better in all respects except for maybe dynamic range. (This makes sense, comparing the two amplifier sections.)
 

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Paul - I think the 2400 only has discretes for 2 channel IIX, not for 5.1 input. I have looked for discretes for 5.1 for my 1400 and never found any. The 2500 adds discretes (Movie and Music) for 5.1. I use macros on my MX-700 to get to 5.1 IIx on my 1400.
 

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I have discrete codes on Pronto Pro for movie and music. They do work on 5.1, but only once the 5.1 signal has been received (otherwise, if you set it to movie or music first, then the 5.1 signal comes on, it will revert back to off unless the signal is specifically flagged),


At least that's how I believe it works. :)
 

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The difference between the 1500 and 2500 is only $200?

Paul


$200 is not a lot of money. But $200 of $600 (eBay price of 1500) is 33.3333333% and it is a lot. :eek:


If street price of 2500 is about $700, I would go for it. :D But if it is $800, I would get the 1500 and save the $200 for next upgrade.


Very soon all receivers will come out with HDMI. It replaces the messy component and audio cables between different devices. It also reduces their cost.
 

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Paul - Can you check the 5.1 commands - get a 5.1 signal, turn off PLIIx and then try turning PLIIx back on with the button. If that works, I would love to have the codes. Could it be a macro? You can check by watching the OSD or front display when you use the command. Yamaha does not document any 5.1 PLIIx codes for the 2400 and they also say that the 1500 does not have them, but the 2500 does. Thanks.
 

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Originally posted by ewclam9
Very soon all receivers will come out with HDMI. It replaces the messy component and audio cables between different devices. It also reduces their cost.
WRONG..

Adding HDMI is significantly more expensive... especially for the required digital ICs/interface circuitry..
 
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