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COMPARISON, UNBIASED REVIEW & RANKING OF 12 HIGH-END HOME CINEMA AUDIO BRANDS.pdf 979k .pdf file


Hi Everyone,


Please kindly find attached my comparison, unbiased review and ranking of 12 high-end home cinema audio systems.


Essentially this report is a write-up of a lengthy exercise that I recently completed to ascertain for myself which brand of home cinema audio equipment, in my opinion, is the best; and I thought such information would be of interest to the members of and visitors to this forum.


(N.B. Due to the document being no less than 40 pages long I have had to attach it as a downloadable file as opposed to including the content within this post).


I am happy to answer questions and I look forward to everyone's feedback.


Enjoy!


I feel it important to point out that:


1) I am not affiliated with any specific manufacturer, distributor or supplier of A/V equipment, nor do I sell any; nor am I in any way connected with any A/V magazine or similar publication; and accordingly my opinion is entirely impartial and unbiased. I own and run an A/V company whose sole function is to service all the A/V needs of the property development company that I also own and run. As such, I have no bias towards any specific brand of A/V equipment.


2) This is my opinion only my opinion; accordigly should only be taken as such and your are perfectly entitled to either agree to disagree with it
 

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Originally Posted by AJinFLA  /t/1418730/direct-comparison-unbias...h-end-home-cinema-audio-systems#post_22190657


You are 3 months and 3 days late!!!

Ah, a comedian... yes, ha ha



Perhaps you might like to try reading it... this ain't no April Fool
 

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There is so much wrong with this list that I wouldn't know where to start listing it. Also, I don't buy that you are unconnected with any manufacturer, especially your #1 manufacturer on that list. I smell BS piled a mile high.
 

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Originally Posted by shadyJ  /t/1418730/direct-comparison-unbias...h-end-home-cinema-audio-systems#post_22190726


There is so much wrong with this list that I wouldn't know where to start listing it. Also, I don't buy that you are unconnected with any manufacturer, especially your #1 manufacturer on that list. I smell BS piled a mile high.

But it's just my opinion... you don't have to agree with it.



I am very happy for any forum MODERATOR or STAFF to verify my identity and confirm the fact that I am most certainly NOT affiliated whatsoever with any manufacturer. In fact I would like to invite them to do so, because your attitude has completely taken me by surprise. I posted this because I thought it would be of great interest to people, since how often is this sort of exercise carried out? Did you actually read what I have written? Or did you simply jump to the back page and then take 1 and 1 and make 12?



Incidentally, I am intrigued, what do you think is wrong with my list and why?
 

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My 2cents.


First off, if this is legit, appreciate the write up. It must have taken quite some time. Obviously, most systems reviewed will never be in the reach of mortal men. I could, maybe, with planning and much sacrifice, get one of the cheaper systems reviewed. So, in a sense it is like picking up an SI swimsuit issue to look for potential girlfriends, just pure fantasy. Still good reading. Audio porn!


As we all know, everyone's tastes vary regarding speaker preference. Plus, audio memory is short and the systems were all in different rooms. So the order of the list is not that critical. Some of the observations about each system's strengths and weaknesses are more useful. I also enjoyed reading your description about the scenes you used to demo the systems. There is a lot of info about great scenes for bass, but not as much regarding great scenes for the overall surround sound. I now have 2 reasons to buy Star Trek VI, the other being hearing a Klingon recite Shakespeare.



One question regarding the winning system. Can you combine any other manufacturer's stuff with Steinway's or not at all? I mean, could you replace the subs with more powerful, cheaper subs or is it really all or nothing?


P.S. You suck in listing all the prices in pounds...Once I noticed that I had to recalculate really how damn expensive these systems are. That JBL one is ridiculous!
 

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Given the list, and how enthusiastically you support your #1 product on there, your lack of identity is a real problem. Your don't have a posting history. You do not say what expertise you have in audio. You don't say how you came to listen to all of these systems, or under what limits of the conditions you heard them in. I find it implausible you could have fairly auditioned all of them, especially in the UK. You say nothing about the how limited your aural memory might be, or how it might be affecting your ratings (obviously you want us to believe your memory is some absolute standard of judgement). You present us with the golden ears fallacy when you say you can tell the difference between lossless HD and CD, and then you go on to say CD audio is compressed. I like how you mention your favored brand again and again in all-caps; this is a common technique in marketing, so one doesn't forget the brand name. If there wasn't a comparison involved with the other speakers, this would read exactly like a marketing brochure. Any of these would raise red flags for a guerrilla marketer, but taken altogether it looks pretty bad for you.
 

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madboynutter - Lacking even a rudimentary effort at maintaining testing controls, claiming no need to bother listening to any other systems, combined with negatives of the Steinway Lyngdorf = none whatsoever, completely takes away from your credibility, in my opinion. I've checked your posting history in the three forums I am aware of that you posted this. Except for a few recent post here at AVS, you have no history.


You have done Steinway Lyngdorf no favors by posting this all over the WWW.
 

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Originally Posted by madboynutter  /t/1418730/direct-comparison-unbias...h-end-home-cinema-audio-systems#post_22190681


Perhaps you might like to try reading it... this ain't no April Fool
Ah, but it is. I read it.
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Originally Posted by madboynutter  /t/1418730/direct-comparison-unbias...h-end-home-cinema-audio-systems#post_22190601


and accordingly my opinion, whilst professional, is entirely impartial and unbiased.
Sadly not only untrue, but impossible, despite your unawareness of such basic facts.

What follows....



cheers,


AJ


p.s. btw, I suspect no disingenuous or commercial intent. Which makes it funnier. Thanks
 

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p.s. btw, I suspect no disingenuous or commercial intent. Which makes it funnier. Thanks

I am not so sure. He comes out of nowhere, spamming the WWW with this review.


- HTF. http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/322012/direct-comparison-unbiased-review-ranking-of-12-high-end-home-cinema-audio-systems

- HTS, where the thread has been deleted.

- AVS.


There may be other forums.
 

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Give the guy a break. That was a massive amount of work put into this. I'm not sure my Dynaudio dealer would go to such lengths to make a sell.


I am not familiar from a sound perspective of most of these speakers but since Dynaudio Confidence is not included I find the tests null and void



Seriously though I will take another read and that was a lot of effort despite the typical AVS nonsense. Maybe if you had Salk at number one spot the guys here would chill (-:


I may pose some additional questions when I have read the article again and my veins are not pumping with 4th of July Bacardi n cokes!


Rick
 

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Originally Posted by Mr.SoftDome  /t/1418730/direct-comparison-unbias...h-end-home-cinema-audio-systems#post_22191266


Give the guy a break. That was a massive amount of work put into this. I'm not sure my Dynaudio dealer would go to such lengths to make a sell.

I am not familiar from a sound perspective of most of these speakers but since Dynaudio Confidence is not included I find the tests null and void


Seriously though I will take another read and that was a lot of effort despite the typical AVS nonsense. Maybe if you had Salk at number one spot the guys here would chill (-:

I may pose some additional questions when I have read the article again and my veins are not pumping with 4th of July Bacardi n cokes!

Rick

+1 on the Salk comment.


But seriously, I have no idea if this guy is total BS or just was not an internet junkie and only recently decided to join and post this.


Consider 2 things though.


1) Why would a company whose products retail for such a high price really bother with such a form of marketing? Mosts posts here deal with much, much lower cost equipment.


2) If he is legit, kinda sucks to give him such a harsh welcome to AVS. Maybe he can provide some more info on where and when he conducted this experiment and also prove he is not a shill for Steinway.
 

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I agree that is was a lot of work putting the pdf together. But when one titles such a review "Direct Comparison, Unbiased Review..." when it clearly is not a direct comparison or seemly unbiased, when it is spammed it all over the place, when the poster has no history or background in the places he posts this at... then skepticism is warranted.



He clearly is not new to the internet, nor I suspect, to audio boards.
 

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Originally Posted by NewHTbuyer  /t/1418730/direct-comparison-unbias...h-end-home-cinema-audio-systems#post_22191312


Consider 2 things though.

1) Why would a company whose products retail for such a high price really bother with such a form of marketing? Mosts posts here deal with much, much lower cost equipment.

2) If he is legit, kinda sucks to give him such a harsh welcome to AVS. Maybe he can provide some more info on where and when he conducted this experiment and also prove he is not a shill for Steinway.

+1


Seems like an awful lot of venom without really knowing what the whole story is.


In all honesty, I admit that some of it does strike me as a bit suspicious -- like why did the vocabulary and sentence phrasing get so much better during the Steinway review? -- but I'm at least willing to give him the benefit of the doubt so he can perhaps clarify a few things. Assuming he returns, of course.
 

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I hope we do hear from the OP, lots of questions have been raised by this review, and should be expected by anyone taking the time to do this.


Not returning would explain things pretty well, too.
 

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He won't be back; his bluff has been called. Also, I don't think he should be given any credit whatsoever for his comparison. I doubt he heard all of the systems he claimed to, and more likely he heard none. Think about how difficult it would be to hear all of those high end setups in the UK- they wouldn't be very common or easy to hear in any US locality, let alone England. I'm guessing he looked at the specs and designs, and extrapolated from that any possible shortcomings that could be used against them (all horns are honky!) in order to promote his steinway products. I don't think it should be wrong to come in here and promote your products, but I do think it's wrong to misrepresent yourself as an impartial seeker of audio perfection in doing so, and its especially wrong to trash a bunch of other products which you have never heard in the process.
 

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Originally Posted by AJinFLA  /t/1418730/direct-comparison-unbias...h-end-home-cinema-audio-systems#post_22191181


p.s. btw, I suspect no disingenuous or commercial intent. Which makes it funnier. Thanks

I am not so sure. He comes out of nowhere, spamming the WWW with this review.


- HTF. http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/322012/direct-comparison-unbiased-review-ranking-of-12-high-end-home-cinema-audio-systems

- HTS, where the thread has been deleted.

- AVS.


There may be other forums.

it should probably be deleted here as well... as it really serves no purpose...
 
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Bose Acoustimass cubes should be #1 on that list for sure.



Absolutely positively unequivocally the best cinema system ever!


Unbiased. Triple blinded. No Quadruple blinded.
 

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Come on ADTG....everyone can hear that Pyle pro systems are light years ahead of Bose and should be #1. I mean EVERYONE!
 
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