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HD-DVD


+ Much cheaper disc production. Dual Layered discs (30gb) the standard

+ VC-1 codec has a very smooth, less grainy image that is visually appealing

+ The name! HUGE plus!! No one is going to ask "What's a HD DVD?"

+ HDi Interactivity. Really great stuff. PIP commentary is sweet!

+ Red cases - does not distract from movie artwork

+ HD DVD on top spine. Lines up very well with other HD DVDs.

+ 100% Backwards compatibility with DVD and excellent upscaling

+ Consistent timed releases of hardware and software


- 30gb and Bandwidth. Bandwidth is probably more of a handicap than 30gb.

- Lack of Lossless audio. Only a handful of True HD tracks. Huge Minus! Most if not all titles should be lossless!

- You guessed it, studio support. The biggest minus of all.

- Most players are 1080i.

- No resume. Must bookmark.


Ace in the hole - Currently: 360 Addon. Potentially: Low Cost Chinese players for the masses.

Blu-ray


+ 1080p output on all players

+ Uncompressed/Lossless audio on virtually all exclusive titles!

+ Cutting edge optical tech. 50GB dual layered discs with superior bandwidth to HD DVD. Biggest selling point!

+ Huge Studio support. Exclusive titles outnumber HD DVD. Biggest asset to Blu-ray

+ Blu-ray logo sells itself. Looks great and marketable.


- Expensive Standalone prices

- Dual Layered discs slowly becoming the standard, but not yet.

- Lack of extras on most discs

- The name. "What is a Blu-ray?" *Note that the logo is more marketable*

- Unfinished! Biggest gripe about the format. Lack of Java finalization prevents advanced Interactivity

- Constant delayed hardware and software


Ace in the hole - Currently: Sony PS3. Potentially: Massive userbase through PS3 until standalones become more affordable.
 

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+ Red cases - does not distract from movie artwork

I disagree. Both formats colored cases can be good or bad. Take Corpse Bride for instance, it's coverart is mostly blue and looks terrific in a BD case. OTOH, look at Phantom Of The Opera which looks very good in an HD DVD case but very bad in a BD case. Thus I think using the color of the case as a plus is a mistake. It's really hit or miss from what I've seen.
 

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+Much cheaper disc production. Dual Layered discs (30gb) the standard


How much cheaper? 20%? 80%? Why do we care, are the movies cheaper?


+ VC-1 codec has a very smooth, less grainy image that is visually appealing


They both support VC-1


+ 100% Backwards compatibility with DVD and excellent upscaling


This is a feature of HD-DVD? So BD player cannot play DVDs or upscale?


+ Consistent timed releases of hardware and software


No idea what this means. Clear it up.
 

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I think its a good attempt to summarize the + and - of each format. I also believe that it is a great job of being unbiased.
My only objection is that 1080i/p is listed as a + or - for formats. 1080i/60 looks the same as 1080p/60 if the encode is 1080p, the only advantages are between 24p and non-24p. HD DVD and BD will tie in terms of players capable in 2 weeks. Sammy's 1080p is 1080p in name only, plus a HD DVD player into a TV that can deinterlace 1080i and voila its the same damn thing.


One positive is the fact that replicators can simply make minimal changes and their DVD replication facilities become HD DVD replication facilities.


Also, another positive is that HD DVD replication facilities don't mind carrying porn.



To poster above,


cheaper production costs are a + whether they result in cheaper discs at the register or not. Right now Sony is subsidizing BD, but that won't last forever.


True both have VC-1 listed as capable and have discs that are VC-1 in both formats but HD DVDs are 90%+ VC-1 whereas the majority (WB the exception) are hesistant to use VC-1. Disney just started but clearly BD is pro-MPEG-2 ATM.


backwards compatibility is key and is a feature of HD DVD as it is the DVD forum's choice. Combos, whether flippers or not (single sided combos exist), are a huge asset to a format.


Upscaling on HD DVD players are generally considered better than those available on BD players. I know my HD-A1 upscales far better than the Sammy (Had them in home months ago).


Consistently timed releases means they don't delay as much as BD studios (both hardware and software). HD DVD titles have been delayed, but the frequency is FAR less than BD.
 

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+Much cheaper disc production. Dual Layered discs (30gb) the standard


How much cheaper? 20%? 80%? Why do we care, are the movies cheaper?

HD DVD on average is cheaper to buy than Blu-ray. That's from my experience. And I'll bet it's the same with most. Sure, you can find good deals on both but HD DVD movies are cheaper as a whole.

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+ VC-1 codec has a very smooth, less grainy image that is visually appealing


They both support VC-1

Yes, but VC-1 is far more consistent on HD DVD and thus gives HD DVD a more consistent "look".

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+ 100% Backwards compatibility with DVD and excellent upscaling


This is a feature of HD-DVD? So BD player cannot play DVDs or upscale?

BD players don't play everything. I have a few DVDs that don't work on my PS3 or Samsung. This is a fact: Upscaling on HD DVD standalones are more consistent in quality. My Samsung's upscaling looks worse than my PS3 at 480p.

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+ Consistent timed releases of hardware and software


No idea what this means. Clear it up.

HD DVD hasn't deviated from hardware and software release dates as much as Blu-ray. Simple as that. There's nothing worse than preordering something and being stuck. Sony Standalone for example.


BTW, even though my list actually comes off as more PRO- HD DVD than Blu-ray, look at my posts, I'm usually in the Blu-ray forum. I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible here.
 

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Upscaling on HD DVD players are generally considered better than those available on BD players. I know my HD-A1 upscales far better than the Sammy (Had them in home months ago).

Does that have anything to do with the Blu-ray format? You are listing gen one hardware problems as a minus for BD? Blu-ray players will never upscale as well and will always have compatability iussues? Don't both players have the same laser for playing DVDs? I've never heard of movies that won't play in a BD player.


Remember all the BD FUD a few months ago? At least we are debating small difference now that we have real movies and players.


BD50 will never happen, they can't make them.

BD disc cost so much to make the movies will be $50 and games will be $70.

The PS3 will be a lousy player, no one buys a console to play movies.
 

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+ on HD-DVD, No region coding. A movie title that is a studio exclusive for Blu-ray may still be available from an overseas studio and can still be played on an HD-DVD player.


For example, the Spanish Underworld:Evolution which is actually a Sony Pictures title in North America.
 

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+ on HD-DVD, No region coding. A movie title that is a studio exclusive for Blu-ray may still be available from an overseas studio and can still be played on an HD-DVD player.


For example, the Spanish Underworld:Evolution which is actually a Sony Pictures title in North America.

I didn't put that in because all Blu-ray discs are region free if you buy a Samsung Blu-ray player w/o installing latest firmware. Also, most Blu-ray discs are not region coded.
 

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+ Much cheaper disc production. Dual Layered discs (30gb) the standard

do you have the cost for both formats?


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+ The name! HUGE plus!! No one is going to ask "What's a HD DVD?"

no, it is I bought this DVD (says so on the case and it won't play

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+ 100% Backwards compatibility with DVD and excellent upscaling

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+ Consistent timed releases of hardware and software

you are the only one I know that is happy with HD DVDs none release of much SW
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- Unfinished! Biggest gripe about the format. Lack of Java finalization prevents advanced Interactivity

not true. BD-J is done and it was before BD came out. It is just that not all feratures need to be supported by all players, but that is true with both formats

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- Constant delayed hardware and software

not any worst then HD DVD
 

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HD DVD on average is cheaper to buy than Blu-ray. That's from my experience. And I'll bet it's the same with most. Sure, you can find good deals on both but HD DVD movies are cheaper as a whole.

no MRSP is mostly the same. It is more studio dependent then anything else Disney Fox (even in DVD) tends to be a bit more expensive. And did you add the 5$ more if it is a hybrid? (could add that as a + in HD DVD -- if you think they are)

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BD players don't play everything. I have a few DVDs that don't work on my PS3 or Samsung.

what movies? I have not had an issue yet with any DVD not playing

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I didn't put that in because all Blu-ray discs are region free if you buy a Samsung Blu-ray player w/o installing latest firmware. Also, most Blu-ray discs are not region coded.

also HD DVD has RC on the table, so if it will or won't have RC is yet an unknown.
 

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Right now they seem about the same to me. There really is no difference visibly and sonically between the two. I think the biggest advantage bluray has is the studio support. I felt compelled to buy a bluray player just because of the number of movies they would have that I couldn't get for my hd dvd. Most people won't care about all the stats and specs, they will just want to know what movies can the thing play. For example, when I got my PS 3 I asked my wife if she saw any difference between the two and she said no. She was just happy we could get disney movies in HD. The sofware will make the difference.
 

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you are the only one I know that is happy with HD DVDs none release of much SW

I don't get this. According to DVD Empire there are 192 releases for HD and 211 for BD. That's hardly a huge difference. To say there is no software for HD is just wrong. They have about the same, he was just pointing out that BD has a history of not delivering on promised release dates.


Back to the original topic. I think you summed it up pretty well. Both have strengths and weaknesses. We'll see if they are enough for one to end up a clear winner or if both formats will survive.....or neither for that matter.
 

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I disagree. Both formats colored cases can be good or bad. Take Corpse Bride for instance, it's coverart is mostly blue and looks terrific in a BD case. OTOH, look at Phantom Of The Opera which looks very good in an HD DVD case but very bad in a BD case. Thus I think using the color of the case as a plus is a mistake. It's really hit or miss from what I've seen.

I agree. Truthfully, this is hardly an issue but I kind of like the darker red or maroon whatever....to me it just blends in more. Also, Maroon=Texas A&M
 

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You didn't mention lack of diversity amoung hardware in HD DVD.

I believe there are about a dozen different HD DVD players out there from RCA, LG, Toshiba, Samsung, HP, MS. Also you can add Onkyo, Meridian and a likely bunch of Chinese to the mix.
 
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