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Will you still be getting the Elite 360 without Uncompressed/Lossless audio?

  • No, i won't. Uncompressed/Lossless audio was the dealbreaker for me.

    Votes: 285 74.2%
  • Yes, i still will. 1080p via HDMI!

    Votes: 99 25.8%
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Simple question. (Only vote if you were thinking of getting one)


Here is the quote from Amir. (Post # 3221)

Amir spills the beans in Insider Thread


Hello everyone. Sorry for the late response. As I posted before, I was at a 2-day offsite with no net access (or time to use it!). Trying to catch up with all the questions asked.


Xbox 360 Elite supports HDMI 1.2 profile. For audio, you can select DD, DTS (at 1.5 Mbps), and WMA-Pro (Microsoft high fidelity multi-channel codec supported in some AVRs such as Pioneer). Since it is not based on 1.3, it will not support output of DD+ or TrueHD (even if it did, mixing would have been turned off).


PCM output is available but only for 2-channels (not 5.1). Please, please, don't say you don't like this. There is nothing you are going to say which we don't know . Our goal was to provide a digital connection for video which people wanted for some of their TVs. And of course, single cable A/V connection. So if having analog video bothered you before, you can now use digital. If you lacked component/VGA on your TV, you are in business with Xbox 360 Elite.


Keep in mind that the spring software update for HD DVD substantially improves audio fidelity. Per above, you now have a choice of no less than three output formats.


If you are keen on having 5.1 PCM output, I recommend purchasing the Toshiba A2 player which after the price drop, will be much cheaper than Elite.


Answering other questions, both Xbox 360 Elite and current Xbox 360 units will have a spring (console) update which adds support for different video levels for VGA output (7.5 IRE vs 0). And as someone mentioned, using this setting you should be able to use computer monitors in addition to TVs with resolutions all the way up to 1080p with high fidelity and no issues with HDCP handshaking. So for current users, I highly recommend trying this update with your VGA connection to see if it does the job for you. Note that this is a console update and will work for both games and of course, HD DVD. The HD DVD software update is separate from this (and will be available on both Xbox Live and xbox.com).


On output video format, Xbox 360 Elite will perform a handshake and select the appropriate RGB/YUV settings over HDMI. You cannot select it yourself.


The spring HD DVD software update will fix all the lip sync issues that have been reported/we know of.


There is no support for the WMV-HD disc format but of course, you can put WMV files on discs and Xbox 360 will play them.

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Not considering just 1080p hdmi and lossless audio.


When I add another 360, for $80 I'd want the AV friendly black unit, with the black controller and headset along with a 100gig more of memory for downloading HD movies, shows and content.
 

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DTS @ 1.5 isn't bad



I wont get one. The main factor for me is lack of the 65 nm chip & lack of upgraded cooling. I'm not buying a $500 (after tax) system that will brick after 6 months.


The other main factor for me was the internal hd-dvd drive. Quite frankly, unless MS is planning this console to help them launch their IPTV or the downloaded movie thing, 120gigs is too much, and it would have been better to go with a smaller drive & include the hd-dvd drive & increase the price to $500. Just my .02.
 

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Not really much of an upgrade, but even if it had those features, I wouldn't be interested in purchasing one.


I do understand the MS viewpoint; if you have a serious sound system, then you can afford to purchase a separate HD-DVD player. The HD DVD add-on for the X360 is a cut down version for those on a limited budget/looking to limit their HD-DVD investment until the format war sorts out. For the rest, buy a Toshiba 2nd gen player.
 

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Originally Posted by Bar81 /forum/post/0


Not really much of an upgrade, but even if it had those features, I wouldn't be interested in purchasing one.


I do understand the MS viewpoint; if you have a serious sound system, then you can afford to purchase a separate HD-DVD player. The HD DVD add-on for the X360 is a cut down version for those on a limited budget/looking to limit their HD-DVD investment until the format war sorts out. For the rest, buy a Toshiba 2nd gen player.

No room on my AV Rack, and i already have the HD-DVD add on...What do do with it if i get a standalone?
 

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When I originally heard about the Elite model with HDMI I got very excited with the prospect of uncompressed surround sound via HDMI.

The PlayStation 3 can do this (even with games), and the sound is just awesome.


So the only people that gain anything from the Elite are people with TV sets that only accept 1080p via HDMI.


... I just can't believe that MS messed this up this bad
 

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I'm very disappointed in this decision. Being able to convert DD+ and TrueHD to 5.1 PCM would have caused me to purchase the elite. I'm getting an HDMI switching receiver soon and I really wanted to listen to HD DVD audio in its complete fidelity. IMO, they would have had more purchases of the elite for that than for a third HD video output. It seems MS will miss out on the enthusiast sales that the elite is targeted at.
 

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I think this Elite version is more for the videogamers anyway. I am happy with my original Premium version for games, and I'll have my XA2 for HD DVD. Lowering the price of standalone players from Toshiba and the coming manufacturers will do a lot more to speed up adoption of HD DVD than having a bunch of gamers with the "possibility" of becoming HD DVD purchasers. I don't understand why it's supposed to be some sort of a blow to HD DVD that Microsoft didn't go back on their position about not including an HD DVD drive (and not including the subsequent price hike to cover it), giving the consumer the choice to pay for HD DVD playback or not. That being said, I think the Elite version is a bit overpriced. I think they should have lowered the Premium version by 50 bucks and made the Elite $399. Buying a new Xbox for pretty close to the price of an XA2. No thanks.
 

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I don't get it, what is the point of half ass support for the HDMI format? Either do it right or don't do it at all. It seems the ONLY reason the elite is being released is to remove a bullet point from the PS3 arsenal.
 

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I don't get it, what is the point of half ass support for the HDMI format? Either do it right or don't do it at all. It seems the ONLY reason the elite is being released is to remove a bullet point from the PS3 arsenal.

Yep, unfortunatley that's all it is. I guess all we can do now is hope Sony goes on a mareketing campaign bragging about Uncompressed/lossless audio...MS only seems to respond to what Sony does..As an Xbox/HDDVD fan it kinda hurts to admit it.
 

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The PlayStation 3 can do this (even with games), and the sound is just awesome.

Resistance sounds F*ing amazing with uncompressed audio
 

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5.1 (7.1) PCM isn't just for lossless. It's also for the transport of advanced audio CODECs once they have been decompressed. I personally could be happy with even high bit rate DD+, but even that is not a possibility without PCM or analog breakouts.


The Elite appears to be more of a marketing move against the PS3 than anything worth while to anyone here unfortunately. I'll be keeping my standard 360 for great games and my A1 for movies with great audio.
 

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Amir wrote: "99% of the requests I got for HDMI here was about pure video connectivity."


HA!
 
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