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I am at wits end here. First off, disclaimer, this is going to be a long post, it needs to be in order to thoroughly explain the situation.
I recently moved from a house to an apartment, unfortunate yes but fortunately only temporarily. This needed to be stated.
When I was at my house, my Klipsch KG4s were my trusted main front left and right speakers for a long, long time.
When I moved, I hired a moving company for everything BUT my home audio. I am dead serious. I used my own truck and packed everything myself because I trust NO ONE with my home audio but ME.
After moving into this apartment and getting everything set up, it was time to delve into getting my audio set up.
As always, my KG4s were my main front left and right channels, powered by my Yamaha RX-V1800. Something, however, was extremely wrong. The bass production from my KG4s were literally less than 1/8th of what they were in my house.
Now, I know the KG4s are picky with placement, and trust me when I say I rearranged these things at least twenty different ways in order to make sure I covered all bases. I tried everything from no toe in, six inches from back wall to 45 degree toe in, 3 feet from both walls and absolutely everything in between, all to no avail.
I was starting to think it was the 1800. I have three other receivers, a RX-V663, a Denon AVR-1609, and a Marantz SR-5007, ALL of them were brought into the living room to test out.
Keep in mind that the initial set up for testing was through Pure Direct on every single receiver. No sub was used, just straight left and right channels, the way I always listen to music. Also, I am using the same lossless FLAC files I have been using for years, through my computer of course, using optical audio.
I hooked up every receiver to the KG4s, all with the same end result. I then tried each receiver on 2 channel Stereo with no subwoofer and adjusted the tone, something I have never had to do with any of these receivers, but again, at wits end here. Of all of them, the 1800 sounded the "best" with the bass at +6dB, aka maxed out. This was unacceptable at best.
Now I am starting to think it's my KG4s. I take my KG4.2s into the room and hook them up as mains. I used Pure Direct through the SR5007 and it was as if I never heard bass before. I tested every other receiver, absolutely BEAUTIFUL on Pure Direct through the 4.2s, ALMOST overwhelming, but of course, due to the KG4s not producing anything at all, ANY amount of bass would seem overwhelming.
I forgot to mention, throughout all of this, when I was listening to the KG4s, if I stood OVER the KG4s, literally, when I was adjusting settings on the receiver or just trying to figure what was going on, they sounded GREAT! If I went into the bedroom adjacent to my living room, the bass sounded GREAT! It was only when I went back to my listen position, on the same couch, the same distance from the speakers as everything was in my other house, that the bass just dropped right out.
My guess, and at best this is a guess, is that the walls in this apartment are cheaply constructed and probably consist of very old and very "settled to the bottom" blown in insulation.
I am guessing that the rear firing passive radiators on the KG4s, rather than reflecting off of the wall, are being absorbed THROUGH the wall, and obviously not making it to my listening position. With the KG4.2s, the passive radiator is in the FRONT, therefore all the bass is being fired directly into the living room, and the funny thing is if I go into the bedroom while the KG4.2s are playing, I hardly hear bass at all through the walls.
Is my theory even remotely plausible? I lived in my old house for over ten years, I knew the layout very well, I am an electrician, so when it came time for the new service and new receptacles/wiring, I became VERY familiar with the walls there very quickly, I even ripped some of them down (specifically the living room), re-insulated them, ripped down the horse hair plaster, and sheet rocked them.
This apartment house is a different story. I know it's old, probably built in the 1920's or so, maybe even a little before then. I am on the third (top) floor. Behind the living room wall that my TV is on is a 2.5-3 foot wide closet that spans the whole back side of the living room wall (walk in closet obviously). The wall to the left is an outside wall with windows and what not, and the wall to the right is adjacent to one of the bedrooms (MY bedroom).
Again, does my theory even add up? If it doesn't, what in the living heck could have caused this? Both active drivers in both cabinets are working beautifully, as are both passive radiators, that is, to sight and touch, and again, when I am right there standing over them, the bass and overall sound is what it used to be in my house at the listening position.
Also, I have not updated the capacitors on the crossovers with the Crites kits yet because honestly I never had to, and I sincerely doubt that a move while they were wrapped in three full size moving blankets per speaker had any negative effect on the crossovers or capacitors within...
Sorry for the long post, if there is any other information which I have left out that would be helpful, please, let me know, I will be more than happy to provide it.
Any input on this is absolutely appreciated!
Sincerely,
Waldo
I recently moved from a house to an apartment, unfortunate yes but fortunately only temporarily. This needed to be stated.
When I was at my house, my Klipsch KG4s were my trusted main front left and right speakers for a long, long time.
When I moved, I hired a moving company for everything BUT my home audio. I am dead serious. I used my own truck and packed everything myself because I trust NO ONE with my home audio but ME.
After moving into this apartment and getting everything set up, it was time to delve into getting my audio set up.
As always, my KG4s were my main front left and right channels, powered by my Yamaha RX-V1800. Something, however, was extremely wrong. The bass production from my KG4s were literally less than 1/8th of what they were in my house.
Now, I know the KG4s are picky with placement, and trust me when I say I rearranged these things at least twenty different ways in order to make sure I covered all bases. I tried everything from no toe in, six inches from back wall to 45 degree toe in, 3 feet from both walls and absolutely everything in between, all to no avail.
I was starting to think it was the 1800. I have three other receivers, a RX-V663, a Denon AVR-1609, and a Marantz SR-5007, ALL of them were brought into the living room to test out.
Keep in mind that the initial set up for testing was through Pure Direct on every single receiver. No sub was used, just straight left and right channels, the way I always listen to music. Also, I am using the same lossless FLAC files I have been using for years, through my computer of course, using optical audio.
I hooked up every receiver to the KG4s, all with the same end result. I then tried each receiver on 2 channel Stereo with no subwoofer and adjusted the tone, something I have never had to do with any of these receivers, but again, at wits end here. Of all of them, the 1800 sounded the "best" with the bass at +6dB, aka maxed out. This was unacceptable at best.
Now I am starting to think it's my KG4s. I take my KG4.2s into the room and hook them up as mains. I used Pure Direct through the SR5007 and it was as if I never heard bass before. I tested every other receiver, absolutely BEAUTIFUL on Pure Direct through the 4.2s, ALMOST overwhelming, but of course, due to the KG4s not producing anything at all, ANY amount of bass would seem overwhelming.
I forgot to mention, throughout all of this, when I was listening to the KG4s, if I stood OVER the KG4s, literally, when I was adjusting settings on the receiver or just trying to figure what was going on, they sounded GREAT! If I went into the bedroom adjacent to my living room, the bass sounded GREAT! It was only when I went back to my listen position, on the same couch, the same distance from the speakers as everything was in my other house, that the bass just dropped right out.
My guess, and at best this is a guess, is that the walls in this apartment are cheaply constructed and probably consist of very old and very "settled to the bottom" blown in insulation.
I am guessing that the rear firing passive radiators on the KG4s, rather than reflecting off of the wall, are being absorbed THROUGH the wall, and obviously not making it to my listening position. With the KG4.2s, the passive radiator is in the FRONT, therefore all the bass is being fired directly into the living room, and the funny thing is if I go into the bedroom while the KG4.2s are playing, I hardly hear bass at all through the walls.
Is my theory even remotely plausible? I lived in my old house for over ten years, I knew the layout very well, I am an electrician, so when it came time for the new service and new receptacles/wiring, I became VERY familiar with the walls there very quickly, I even ripped some of them down (specifically the living room), re-insulated them, ripped down the horse hair plaster, and sheet rocked them.
This apartment house is a different story. I know it's old, probably built in the 1920's or so, maybe even a little before then. I am on the third (top) floor. Behind the living room wall that my TV is on is a 2.5-3 foot wide closet that spans the whole back side of the living room wall (walk in closet obviously). The wall to the left is an outside wall with windows and what not, and the wall to the right is adjacent to one of the bedrooms (MY bedroom).
Again, does my theory even add up? If it doesn't, what in the living heck could have caused this? Both active drivers in both cabinets are working beautifully, as are both passive radiators, that is, to sight and touch, and again, when I am right there standing over them, the bass and overall sound is what it used to be in my house at the listening position.
Also, I have not updated the capacitors on the crossovers with the Crites kits yet because honestly I never had to, and I sincerely doubt that a move while they were wrapped in three full size moving blankets per speaker had any negative effect on the crossovers or capacitors within...
Sorry for the long post, if there is any other information which I have left out that would be helpful, please, let me know, I will be more than happy to provide it.
Any input on this is absolutely appreciated!
Sincerely,
Waldo
That is my last hope, for testing purposes I will probably just grab kitchen chairs and stick the speakers on them. Here's hoping...
