[michaeltscott]

I saw Sony's KDP-34XBR2 (I think) in a Good Guys in La Jolla on Saturday evening. If you live around here, it was the store in La Jolla Villa Square, though I should think any of them would have it. It had two sets of component video connectors and a set of 5C ("iLink") connectors. It's a 34" direct-view with an embedded ATSC tuner, and it cost about what such have always cost so far: $4000. They are planning 57" and 65" RPTVs for $5000 and $11000, resp.--for the latter price, one would hopefully get nine-inch guns or digital reflective tech or something. Unfortunately, they didn't have it connected to an HD source. It looked fine playing a DVD, but can't tell much from that. Nice cabinet.


Now, let's see how long it takes for 5C STBs to arrive.


-- Mike Scott



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[Shawn O]

Well,I was having a good day.


Shawn

 

[Bill Schmeling]

If true, so much for the several year time frame to implementation. Maybe I'll go back to woodworking, there are some nice forums there too.


Bill


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[Shawn O]

So if 5C units are out already,just how long has Sony and other manufactures been knowingly selling us obselete equipment?

 

[sawyer]

I've had my sony FW-900 24" 16:10 .22mm monitor for 6 months and it has vga AND 5C. I'm just waiting for something to go on the other end!

 

[jackmay]

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Originally posted by Bill Schmeling: If true, so much for the several year time frame to implementation. Maybe I'll go back to woodworking, there are some nice forums there too.

This is expected since a company would not announce something that would obsolete there present products unless they had new products to sell.


If they announce and wait two years to roll out a new product, their cash flow will rapidly fall as people wait for the new product. They don't want to spend their money on something with an abnormally short life time.


Waiting two or more years could put them out of business

 

[tonyb100]

hmm didn't see the 5c thing in the specs for the fw900 I will have to look more closely.


as for the years time frame for 5c people spoke of for it implimintaion, I thought that was wishful thinking after sony delayed release of there new sets awhile back; i think this is why they did it.


but what do i know I new.

 

[tonyb100]

just checked spec again at sony site for fw-900 and saw nothing that would be a 5c input to my knowegle on the monitor, there was a 5 BNC connection and a 15 pin connector

 

[CKNA]

The connectors on this TV are regular Firewire connections.

There is no such thing as 5C connector. 5C is a name of copy protection which can be used on Firewire which Sony calls iLink and in computers it is called IEEE-1394.

Seems like many people confuse copy protection with physical connector.

 

[Innerloop]

Do any of the experts on this forum know if this TV is REALLY future-proof? Does Firewire/iLink actually HAVE the necessary bandwidth to do digital copy-protected HD video, or is this just another bait-and-switch?


This seems pretty significant if it actually will work, because for the first time since the announcement of the whole copy-protection fiasco we can feel safe about dumping more money into this hobby. Please advise!

 

[michaeltscott]

Here's another reference to the Sony/Cablevision deal: another two year old article talking about 5C and what it means for HDTV. This might have been some of the stuff that gave me the heads up.


-- Mike Scott

 

[Michael St. Clair]

With the limited amount of actual dynamic resolutions these tubes can display, a downsampled 960x540p image would probably look just as good as 1080i.


Not real future-proof to me.

 

[michaeltscott]

Well, it turns out that someone spotted this thing at Frye's a few weeks before me and posted about it here (it just rose to the top since somebody just responded to it). He also found a press release about it online, which try as I might, I could not do. The press release quite clearly states that the i.LINK connectors are DTCP compliant.


Sony's only been making chips to implement part of this (the physical layer and the encryption/decryption) for the past 3 years. They've incorporated them in products from laptops to CDROM drives--they have massive amounts of IP they'd like to protect and they are very serious about this standard.


-- Mike Scott



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[michaeltscott]

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Originally posted by Michael St. Clair: With the limited amount of actual dynamic resolutions these tubes can display, a downsampled 960x540p image would probably look just as good as 1080i. Not real future-proof to me.

ALL of the direct-view sets look better than ALL of the 7" CRT-based RPTVs to me, but that's just a matter of taste. Pity direct-view can't be made bigger. I have high-hopes for the new digital reflective technologies.


-- Mike Scott

 

[Alan Sh]

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Originally posted by michaeltscott: While sifting through references to "+i.LINK +DTCP", I came upon this , a press-release from Fall 1999 (!) giving Sony and Cablevision of NYC's plans to roll-out Sony's HDTV-capable cable STBs featuring DTCP protected i.LINK connectors. ..... I wonder if it actually happened and how it went. [/b]

See the recent thread http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/Forum20/HTML/004249.html .

 

[Shawn O]

Quote:

Originally posted by jackmay: They don't want to spend their money on something with an abnormally short life time

Sounds like what happened to me when I bought my 61hs10 about a year ago.

 

[vruiz]

Just because the equipment has firewire connections does NOT mean that it's 5C compliant. The 5C standard does not entail just software but also special circuitry. Any firewire equipment in the market now will still not be able to display a 5C encrypted signal unless it's upgraded.


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STOP HDCP/DFAST/5C

 

[Shawn O]

Quote:

Originally posted by CKNA: The connectors on this TV are regular Firewire connections. There is no such thing as 5C connector. 5C is a name of copy protection which can be used on Firewire which Sony calls iLink and in computers it is called IEEE-1394. Seems like many people confuse copy protection with physical connector.

You are correct.There is no such thing as a 5C connector,however,these "iLink" connectors on the 34xbr2 are 5C protected in software(according to earlier press releases).

 

[michaeltscott]

Quote:

Originally posted by CKNA: The connectors on this TV are regular Firewire connections. There is no such thing as 5C connector. 5C is a name of copy protection which can be used on Firewire which Sony calls iLink and in computers it is called IEEE-1394. Seems like many people confuse copy protection with physical connector.

Sony's i.LINK interface chip implements DTCP and has since it's introduction--every Sony product which has an i.LINK branded port on it can participate in DTCP transactions, even the computer equipment (see the i.LINK interface press-release here ). Sony would like to see DTCP widely deployed to protect the transmission of all kinds of copy-right protected media, which makes sense, sense they own both motion picture and audio recording studios.


Seems some people confuse i.LINK with vanilla IEEE1394 http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif . (In any case, what would be the purpose of 1394 connectors on a TV without DTCP? Save me).


While sifting through references to "+i.LINK +DTCP", I came upon this , a press-release from Fall 1999 (!) giving Sony and Cablevision of NYC's plans to roll-out Sony's HDTV-capable cable STBs featuring DTCP protected i.LINK connectors. Of course, at the time, there would be no monitors or recorders to connect to these, but it's interesting to note how long ago this was announced. I wonder if it actually happened and how it went.


-- Mike Scott


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[Shawn O]

Quote:

Originally posted by vruiz: Just because the equipment has firewire connections does NOT mean that it's 5C compliant. The 5C standard does not entail just software but also special circuitry. Any firewire equipment in the market now will still not be able to display a 5C encrypted signal unless it's upgraded.

vruiz,

I sure hope that you are correct because that means that this whole copy protection mess is moving along nice and SLOW.All that they are going to do now is piss more people off,that is,people buying sets now that are only partially 5C compliant."What do you mean,my set still needs to be upgraded?"

-"Sorry sir,your set only has the software implemented".