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ench


Both cards are exactly of the same reference design.


There are a few free utilities that allow overclocking, for example, Coolbits. But you don't have to oc for video playback, it's just for gaming, and 7950 GT is much better than 8600 GTS in gaming and its picture quality is almost on par.

OK so I was not confused when I saw that both cards looked physically to be the same size. Its even better for me if I don't need to overclock it.


I wanted the 8600gts strictly for video playback only (High Definitition movies H.264 decoding) to relieve my CPU.


I also noticed a 512M version of the 8600GTS. What does the xtra memory get me for High Def video playback?
 

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I also noticed a 512M version of the 8600GTS. What does the xtra memory get me for High Def video playback?

Perhaps memory size does not matter. It's for 3D games (storing textures etc.).
 

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wow, i just read the new recommendations renethx... very good stuff! thanks again for all your time and contributions here



what do you think of the Seagate 7200.11 500GB ST3500320AS for $125 (instead of the T166's)? I think it's two 250GB platters and supposedly pretty fast and quiet. any knowledge or experience with these yet?



couple questions/comments about the ATX "Premium" section. what is the little mini-tower? at the top-center of the graphic?? I don't see it listed as one of the items, or maybe i missed it. Also, i think that the second list of parts needs a kind of header/title that highlights that part is an "optional storage expansion" or something.


at first, i thought it was an extension, then i thought it was another build but the heading was gone, then i thought it was an extension again lol. anyway, for the noobs like me it might help


love the home server stuff!! very nice! i'll have questions about this part after i digest more haha
 

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I don't have enough knowledge on ST3500320AS to say something. A few users in StorageRview Forum posted experience. The drive looks pretty good.


The second picture of the premium system is an optional DAS (direct attached storage). Addonics MST4ESA-B Mini Storage Tower is an external SATA enclosure that houses 4 SATA drives. Yeah, I should add a small title.
 

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wow, i just read the new recommendations renethx... very good stuff!

I apologize, but, exactly where are the NEW recommendations?


Thanks!
 

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I will start a new thread tomorrow.
 

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mkerdman

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I will start a new thead tomorrow.

Thanks!
 

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The second picture of the premium system is an optional DAS (direct attached storage). Addonics MST4ESA-B Mini Storage Tower is an external SATA enclosure that houses 4 SATA drives. Yeah, I should add a small title.

actually I was wondering about the box on top (with the 8 drives to the right of it). I realize it's the Cooler Master STB-3T4-E3-GP 4-in-3 Device Module now.




when I googled it earlier I found a slightly different product and didn't put 1&1 together
 

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For the high-end system, I strongly recommend the 8800GT for around $249.99. It performs on par with the 8800GTX for half the price. It even out performs the 8800GTS 640MB, crushes the 8800GTS 320MB and more than triples the performance of the 8600GTS in nearly any scenario. It also draws less power than the 8800GTX and 8800GTS.
 

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For the high-end system, I strongly recommend the 8800GT for around $249.99. It performs on par with the 8800GTX for half the price. It even out performs the 8800GTS 640MB, crushes the 8800GTS 320MB and more than triples the performance of the 8600GTS in nearly any scenario. It also draws less power than the 8800GTX and 8800GTS.

it's high end, so price isn't an issue
 

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For the high-end system, I strongly recommend the 8800GT for around $249.99. It performs on par with the 8800GTX for half the price. It even out performs the 8800GTS 640MB, crushes the 8800GTS 320MB and more than triples the performance of the 8600GTS in nearly any scenario. It also draws less power than the 8800GTX and 8800GTS.

i agree, and that's probably what i'd buy if i built it for myself. but for this type of guide renethx has to decided where the price-cutoffs are for each range. maybe note a 8800 GT as an alternative for that system?


plus, these 8800 GT's are just now hitting the market so they could be cheaper soon enough, and that might warrant making them the primary recommendation.
 

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This may be a n00bish q as I'm not very knowledgable about rackmounts but how can an ASUS P5B-VM DO support 48 HDDs on the example given by renethx as I think it has just 8 ports, I really would like to know as I am considering a rackmount server.
 

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Please look at the block diagram of the 24 HDD system. Two port multipliers are used in the enclosure. The 48 system is basically the same as this. NORCO DS-1220N has extactly the same structure as this enclosure (the same SiI3726 PM chip; apart from pricely hot-swappable drive bays).

24 HDD System


The third system consists of a main system with 12 storage drives in either a mid tower or 4U rackmount case and an external enclosure with 12 storage drives in another case. Port multiplier (PM) is used to support storage drives. The intended OS is Windows Home Server.




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Main System
  • Mid Tower Case: Rosewill R6A34-BK ATX Mid Tower (4 x external 5.25", 2 x external 3.5", 5 x internal 3.5"), $45 with:
  • Lian Li EX-23B Internal HDD Kit (turns 2 x 5.25" bay into 3 x 3.5" bay) x 2, $40.

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  • 4U Rackmount Case: CODEGEN 4U-500-CA 4U Rackmount Chassis (3 x 5.25" bay, 8 x 3.5" bay, 2 x 3.5" bay under the cross bar), $71 with:
  • HDD Mounting Kit x 2, $3 or Lian Li EX-34B Internal HDD Kit (turns 3 x 5.25" bay into 4 x 3.5" bay), $35 for better cooling.
  • PSU: Corsair VX550W, $90.
  • CPU: Athlon 64 X2 4200+ ADO4200DDBOX 65W Brisbane 2.2GHz Socket AM2, $75.
  • CPU Cooler: Stock Cooler, $0.
  • Memory: CORSAIR TWIN2X2048-6400 DDR2-800 2 x 1GB Kit, $41 (after rebate at Newegg.com).
  • Motherboard: BIOSTAR TF7025-M2 NVIDIA GeForce 7025 chipset microATX, $68.
  • HBA: HighPoint RocketRAID 2314 4-port eSATA RAID Controller PCIe x4 Card supporting Port Multiplier, $165.
  • KINGWIN ESAC-02 Internal SATA to eSATA 2-Port PCI Bracket x 2, $6.
  • Graphics: GeForce 7025 (integrated in the motherboard chipset), $0.
  • HDD: WD800JB 80GB PATA, $43.
  • Addonics AD5SAPM 5X1 Internal SATA Port Multiplier (1 x SATA in, 5 x SATA out) x 2, $170.
  • SATA cable x 11, $22.
  • Total Cost: $763 for Tower; $752 for Rackmount


Enclosure
  • Mid Tower Case: Rosewill R6A34-BK ATX Mid Tower (4 x external 5.25", 2 x external 3.5", 5 x internal 3.5"), $45 with:
  • Lian Li EX-23B Internal HDD Kit (turns 2 x 5.25" bay into 3 x 3.5" bay) x 2, $40.

    or
  • 4U Rackmount Case: CODEGEN 4U-500-CA 4U Rackmount Chassis (3 x 5.25" bay, 8 x 3.5" bay, 2 x 3.5" bay under the cross bar), $71 with:
  • HDD Mounting Kit x 2, $3 or Lian Li EX-34B Internal HDD Kit (turns 3 x 5.25" bay into 4 x 3.5" bay), $35 for better cooling.
  • PSU: Corsair VX450W, $67.
  • KINGWIN ESAC-02 Internal SATA to eSATA 2-Port PCI Bracket x 2, $6.
  • Addonics AD5SAPM 5X1 Internal SATA Port Multiplier (1 x SATA in, 5 x SATA out) x 2, $170.
  • SATA Cable x 10, $20.
  • KINGWIN ESAC-01 eSATA to eSATA 3' Cable x 2, $6.
  • Total Cost: $354 for Tower; $343 for Rackmount


Cost of the Total System
  • $1117 for Tower; $1095 for Rackmount (storage drives are not included)
Block Diagram


Each of the four eSATA ports of the host bus adapter (HBA) is connected to a port multiplier (PM) that supports 5 SATA drives. On the other hand, the southbridge (SB) of the motherboard chipset supports 4 SATA ports. Each subsystem includes 2 port multipliers. Among 12 storage drives in each of the subsystems, 10 drives are connected to the two port multipliers and the rest 2 drives are connected to the southbridge.



Remarks


1) You need to modify the PSU of the enclosure so that it works without a motherboard (please read the article Power Up an ATX PSU without a Motherboard ), or use 20-pin Power Supply Jump Start Connector (in this case you turn on/off the enclosure by the PSU switch).


2) The motherboard requirements are:
  • IGP
  • Gb LAN (preferably PCI Express)
  • 1 x PATA/SATA port for the system drive
  • 4 x SATA port for 4 storage drives
  • 1 x PCIe x4 slot for a 4-port eSATA PM-aware host controller

Basically any decent microATX motherboard can be used for this system.


3) If the motherboard has 8 SATA ports and 2 PCIe x4 slots (e.g. ASUS P5B-VM DO), then you can add another 4-port eSATA host controller and hence can add two more enclosures, thus the total system supports up to 48 storage drives. This is the system described in the next subsection.
 

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I think I get the basic gist of it,Thanks. I was unaware about Port Multipliers, very interesting.


How do you connect the Southbridge ports to HDDs in another enclosure? Those arent eSATA ports right?


I'm sorry if its a stupid question, I really have no idea.
 

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not a stupid question. this is all incredibly helpful to me too.. i'm sure plenty of other readers are thinking the same things, so getting it spelled out is great.


& nice diagrams renethx!!
 

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How do you connect the Southbridge ports to HDDs in another enclosure? Those arent eSATA ports right?

That's very simple.


Main System: Connect a KINGWIN ESAC-02 Internal SATA to eSATA 2-Port PCI bracket (I mean two SATA cables) to two SATA ports of the motherboard.


Enclosure: Connect a KINGWIN ESAC-02 (I mean two SATA cables) to two SATA drives in the enclosure.


Then connect the these two ESAC-02 brackets (I mean eSATA ports) by two KINGWIN ESAC-01 eSATA to eSATA cables.
 

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More useful info. Thanks again!


I just came across this on the Addonics website and thought perhaps it is of significant interest?


Space Limit -


"2TB with a 32-bit operating system, 256TB theoretical maximum with 64-bit operating system"

http://www.addonics.com/products/hos...ller/pm_cc.asp

Yeah, Windows XP 32-bit is excluded for a server because of the 2TB limitation. Vista 32-bit is OK.
 
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