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Could you recommend HD to a friend?

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Here's a fun one to ponder.


Most of my friends are of my age (40ish), own a couple dozen DVDs and probably rent a few times a month, none are gamers. One has an older HDTV (component only), but not HD cable or dish service.


Now I'm not interested what format you would recommend, don't make this partisan if at all possible. Knowing what you know now about price, sales, and politics, and keeping their best interests in mind, could you recommend HDM to the casual SD buyer/renter? If so, do you think they would thank you 6-12 months from now?


Honestly, though I'd love to see HD media become the norm, at this juncture I could not; I'd tell them to wait a year and see how things were shaking.
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Hmm, they don't really sound like the type to really care about the improvement of HD, though you would have a better idea. I passed "a couple dozen" DVDs in maybe 3 months, and certainly less time than that for HD.

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Hmm, they don't really sound like the type to really care about the improvement of HD, though you would have a better idea. I passed "a couple dozen" DVDs in maybe 3 months, and certainly less time than that for HD.

That's what I'm wondering about in terms of mass-adoption. Just how big of a collector do you have to be for now to be the right time. If I didn't have a $5000 LCD projector, I probably wouldn't have climbed aboard yet.


It's certainly not the selection that's wooing me. When Warner put out Robbin Hood, Forbidden Planet, and Casablanca it moved me forward, there were also some small labels announcing titles, and Warner and Universal were talking Wizard of OZ and Frankenstein. Then everyone found out how bad sales were, particularly for vintage titles.
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I've actually convinced both of my older brothers to join in the HD DVD party.
....They will soon adopt BD as well as they are in a much higher tax bracket than I am.
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I'd tell everyone else to hold off for a while. I finally succumbed to the HD 'itch' because I collect movies and had started to loath the idea buying new release movies on DVD when I knew a better version was on HD.
I don't recommend either HD format to friends or family at the moment. I bought into HD simply because I needed a DVD player and figured, for a little more, "why not?". To be honest, I've been a bit underwhelmed by the offerings of both formats so far. Sure, there are a few movies that I really love on HD, but 95% or more of my watching is still SD. I don't think either format is ready for primetime yet.

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I recomend BD to all of my friends and family. Most of us are big movie buffs and it seams like the best thing to do to enjoy movies to me.
I definitely wouldn't recommend either format to your friends. Not much of an upside for them to compensate for the risk. I do, however, recommend HD to both my mom and my father-in-law, as both have in excess of 600 DVDs and have HDTVs already. Likewise for a couple of my friends who also have large collections (one of the two has picked up the addon). Anybody else I tell to wait, however.
Your friend? I wouldn't recommend either at this current time.





And to be honest, I don't recommend either format to anyone(off the forums), yet they end up buying it anyway. They watch 1 movie, then call me up saying they've bought or want a PS3 or something. I think I've also indirectly sold a few HDTV's as well.... People love stuff that looks good, and I don't think many people know movies CAN look this good. It's fun watching their faces for the first time.
If your friend has a big screen TV say, 50" and above, I would recommend them getting an HD DVD player. Not to start a flaming sessoin or a debate here... but just hear me out.


Your friend may not thank you 6 or 12 months down the road but they'll thank you now because the HD DVD player does a wonderful job of upconverting the signals of regular DVD. On a 50" or larger they'll notice an improvement and if they rent some of the most recently released SD titles, these are so clean that when played on an HD DVD player, they look almost HD like. Older titles? the quality is god but not as good.

Of course the added benefits is that they can enjoy HD movies. Right now, the transfer is still somewhat hit or miss but mostly hits.


So 12 months from now, noone can tell you for sure what the future has to offer...but at least at the cost ($300) of a more expensive regular DVD player, they can get more enjoyments from their big screens TV.
After watching tons of movies and having friends over for some, I don't recommend hidef disc players to anyone anymore. The consistent issues with hardware, software, and mastering of both formats compounded with future compatibility uncertainties make me uncomfortable recommending it to friends/co-workers.
Any friends that ask, I always recommend they wait.

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Your friend? I wouldn't recommend either at this current time.

I'm using my "friends" as an example, but I'm thinking of the hypothetical friend. My friends were made in college, and are mostly art majors which = lowish (but average) income. So they have a great fondness for movies as art and entertainment, but don't sink loads of cash (like myself at 2000ish SDs) into owning them.


They love my set-up (LCD projector), but seldom see themselves going that far.


What I'm really hoping to illustrate, at least in my case, is that there are many reasons people are staying away from HD, not just the war. Most of the people I know just see it as something they'd want to blow $ on, at least the kind of money it would take now.


I currently really can't recommend HDM to the novice, mostly because I don't think they will find the novelty of it worth the investment at these price tiers and with the type of titles currently available. So, now I'm kind of like the kid who has the pool in neighborhood, people like to use it but are content to let someone else have it.
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I'm using my "friends" as an example, but I'm thinking of the hypothetical friend. My friends were made in college, and are mostly art majors which = lowish (but average) income. So they have a great fondness for movies as art and entertainment, but don't sink loads of cash (like myself at 2000ish SDs) into owning them.


They love my set-up (LCD projector), but seldom see themselves going that far.


What I'm really hoping to illustrate, at least in my case, is that there are many reasons people are staying away from HD, not just the war. Most of the people I know just see it as something they'd want to blow $ on, at least the kind of money it would take now.


I currently really can't recommend HDM to the novice, mostly because I don't think they will find the novelty of it worth the investment at these price tiers and with the type of titles currently available. So, now I'm kind of like the kid who has the pool in neighborhood, people like to use it but are content to let someone else have it.

I have had friends and family notice that it looks great, and ask about it when I have had things on. But only a few of my family and friends have HDTVs and they are happy with regular DVD for now.


I do have a friend with an xbox360 who is considering the HD DVD add on, she has the nice logitech wheel so I am really suprised she hasn't picked it up yet. She does see problems with regular DVDs on her 1080p lcd, so I expect her to pick it up before much longer.
Preuming ones friends care about quality i would happily recomend HDDVD to them as it has reached what i consider an acceptable price point.

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Preuming ones friends care about quality i would happily recomend HDDVD to them as it has reached what i consider an acceptable price point.

I can't do that as there's a very good chance HD-DVD won't be around two years from now...

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I can't do that as there's a very good chance HD-DVD won't be around two years from now...

...and so it begins
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Now I'm not interested what format you would recommend, don't make this partisan if at all possible. Knowing what you know now about price, sales, and politics, and keeping their best interests in mind, could you recommend HDM to the casual SD buyer/renter? If so, do you think they would thank you 6-12 months from now?

I've gotten into this conversation a few times at work, when someone else brings it up. I always tell them how happy I am with the XA2 HD DVD player, and how great a job it does with SD DVDs. I also point out that there are two competing formats (most people don't seem to have figured that out yet), using Beta/VHS as the catalyst for discussion.


I then point out the price difference in the players. Nobody my age or older has yet expressed ANY interest in the PS3, and the BD players seem to be just too expensive for any but serious HT people (who already know what's up in the HD wars). However, at this point, even the $300 or so for an A2 seems to be a bit steep for the average Joe to spend before the format war is closer to being decided. $500 is too expensive, period. Get it down to $99, and the dual-format issue won't matter.


That said, quite a few people in my office have already started to go HD, and have HD cable/sat with some sort of flat-screen display. It's just a matter of time before they begin to wonder why their DVDs don't look as good as Discovery channel OTA.


I must say, though, that I really don't understand why $300 or so for a DVD player is too much for someone who spent $2500+ on a display and shells out $100/month or more for HD cable/sat......



Bottom line: I don't recommend HD discs, per se, but I am very complimentary of HD DVD, and I point out that it is the current price/performance leader.
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I usually tell the folks I know to stick with DVD. But if they even have an inkling for HD, I lean towards HD DVD. Only because it's a cheaper entry and has more classic titles. I guess to a lesser extent it probably has the better chance of survival based on the consumer response we've seen to date.

That said, if they have any interest in games, I think the PS3 is a great choice and I usually recommend it
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I'd say don't recommend either - they don't seem to be ready or interested in HD. If only 1 has an HDTV, the others would presumably have to buy new TV's on top of a player and it doesn't seem that's really a concern they have.
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