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I have recently upgraded my speaker system with a full set of Triad speakers. The fronts are Platinum LCR's with a Platinum CC:



CC:


The stands were custom built by a good friend and forum member, DMark1. I helped, but my woodworking skills pale to insignificance compared to Dennis'. Dennis has a side business building drum kits. He has honed his wood working skills by making some beautiful drums kits. Markley Custom Drums He's also a professional drummer and percussionist, so he has a great ear for music and has helped me significantly in fine tuning my system.

The stands are 1.5" thick plinths with columns supporting the speakers. The columns are 1 layer of 3/4", 9-ply plywood with an inner layer of 3/4" MDF. The two layers are adhered with Green Glue and the CC column is additionally lined with No-Rez. All this was done to reduce resonance in the columns. (Doing the knuckle rap test shows that the efforts were successful. The columns are very dead.) They were painted with the original factory paint used on my speakers. We bought the paint directly from Triad and got the application instructions directly from the lead "paint guy" at Triad. Dennis has a spray booth in his drum shop, and he applied the paint there. The final coat is a textured "spatter" coat that required some specific painting skills. Fortunately, Dennis has them. Here is a pic of the CC stand:


As you can see, the paint is a perfect match. What's even more amazing is how good the texture match turned out.



Needless to say, I am extremely happy with how they compliment the speakers!

I've also added Triad surrounds. I used the Silver Monitors because they use the same mid-woofers as the LCR's and a tweeter that is almost exactly the same as the Platinum's but without the dispersion lens. I use 4 Silver Monitors placed as Wides and Sides. The Wides are supposed to be at 60 degrees to the listening position, but as you will see in the pic below, I couldn't quite get them that wide. Due to wall constraints, they ended up at about 50 degrees. They still work quite well there. Here is a pic of the right Wide:




I have 3 Submersive HP's for subwoofer duties. They are placed somewhat randomly around the room and EQ'd with Audyssey XT32. Here is a pic of the right, front Submersive HP:



There is one Submersive on the right side of the CC. There is a 2nd Submersive on the left wall beneath the left Wide. The 3rd Submersive is on the right side wall behind the LP at about 3/5 of the long dimension of the room. After gain-matching the 3 subs, EQ'ing them with Audyssey XT32, optimizing their Distance setting, and invoking the 2nd DSP program on the Submersives, I get the following frequency response and max output/compression:


That is just the subs, (no speakers, with an 80 Hz crossover.) That is 115 dB at 10 Hz with no compression.

Here is the in-room decay of the subs:


and here is a 1/3 Octave RTA of the full bandwidth of the system:


The rest of my audio equipment consists of:

Marantz AV 8801
Earthquake Cinemova Grande BR7 (7 x 650 wpc)
Clone Amp (2 x 2,400 wpc)
Tivo HD DVR
Oppo BDP 105D
Crowson Technology TES 100 Shadow 8 Dual Motion Actuator System
Buttkicker BKA 1000 Amplifier

Here is a pic of the equipment rack:


The video system consists of:

JVC RS-55
SeymourAV 120" Diagonal 2.35, motorized, drop down Acoustically Transparent screen
Panamorph UH 480 Anamorphic Lens
JVC 3D Glasses

Here is a pic of the screen deployed:



The room is acoustically treated with 8" thick acoustic cotton and fiberglass bass traps in the front corners, (they're behind the burgundy drapes.) The front wall is treated with 2" of acoustical cotton, as are the first 4' of the side walls. The ceiling is a dropped acoustical ceiling using CaPaul Open Plan 1" thick tiles with a black nubby finish. Above the dropped ceiling, the overhead joist spaces are stuffed with fiberglass insulation, making the entire ceiling a large bass trap/broadband absorber. The floor is concrete with dark brown carpet over the thickest pad. With all the dark surfaces, and all the acoustic absorption in the front of the room, when the lights go out and the movie starts to play, the front of the room is one big black hole for light and sound.

There are other acoustical treatments placed around the room to reduce slap echo. Here is a pic of one of them:


The seating is a 4-chair row of Acoustic Innovations Traditional seats configured as in this pic:



The seats are a Burgundy leather. They sit on an 8" riser. This gets my eyes to 1/3 screen height, my ears to tweeter height, and allow the transducer system to shake the entire riser.

I have been an HT enthusiast for about 25 years. I built my first "HT" in 1987, (before the term "Home Theater" was even in use), using a 50" Pioneer RPTV. At the time a 50" TV was unheard of, and my "HT" had a huge "WOW Factor." Soon after, I acquired a LaserDisc player... and the rest is history. :) I have been through quite few different systems in the ensuing years. However, the above system is far and away the best I've ever had in my HT. I have a few things to do yet, but I am close to the point that my "upgradeitits" is almost cured. :) (Yeah right, she said!) :D

In the meantime, I am thoroughly enjoying my system!😄

Thanks for reading.

Craig


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Edit: 2/29/2020
Obviously, my "upgradeitis" was not cured, and I am still afflicted with it. :D I have recently upgraded my system to add 4K HDR Video Projection and 3D Audio, (Dolby Atmos/DTS:X and Auro 3D), to my system. The following are updated pictures of the new projector, equipment and rack:

JVC RS2000 4K HDR:

I replaced my JVC RS-55 e-Shift projector with a JVC RS2000 True 4K projector with HDR. This projector is a giant upgrade over the e-Shift projector, with darker blacks, brighter whites and much more saturated colors. I have eliminated my Panamorph lens and switched to projecting 2.35:1 using lens memory.


I have ordered, but not yet received, a new SeymourAV 115" diagonal, retractable screen, with Center Stage XD, woven, acoustically transparent screen material with retractable side masking for watching 16:9 material. I will post pics of the new screen when it receive and install it.

New Middle Atlantic Equipment Rack:

I had to add new equipment to my system to do this upgrade, and I ran out of space in my old rack. I replaced it with a new Middle Atlantic rack.

Close Up of New Equipment:
Upper Rack:

The upper portion of the rack contains, (from top to bottom);

Roku Ultra 4K Streaming Device. I have "cut the cord" and I subscribe to YouTubeTV, Amazon Prime and Netflix.
Furman Power Conditioner
Marantz AV 8805 Preamplifier/Processor
Oppo UDP-205 4k Ultra HD HDR-capable BluRay Player
FP14000 Clone 2-Channel Power Amp, (2,400 wpc driving L/R Triad Platinums)
Crowson D-501 Tactile Transducer Power Amplifier, (500 watts driving dual Crowson Shadow 8 Tactile Transducers)

Lower Rack:

The lower portion of the rack contains:

Earthquake Sound Cinenova Grande 5 Power Amplifier, (650 wpc driving the 4 Atmos Overhead speakers)
Earthquake Sound Cinenova Grande BR-7 Power Amplifier, (650 wpc driving CC Triad Platinum, L&R Triad Silver Monitor Wides, L&R Triad Silver Monitor Surrounds and L&R Klipsch AW-650 Rear Surrounds.


RSL C34e In-Ceiling Overhead Speaker:


I had custom enclosures built to allow them to drop perfectly into my suspended acoustic ceiling grid system. The enclosures are sealed and sized precisely to have an internal volume of 1.1 cubic feet, as recommended by RSL. I have 4 of these placed in the L&R Front Heights, and L&R Rear Heights.


Impressions and Thoughts:

The new 4K HDR projector is simply spectacular. As good as the RS-55 was, this projector surpasses it in every single way. The new screen should enhance that even more.

The 3D Audio upgrade is a highly worthwhile upgrade as well. My system prior to the upgrade was quite immersive, especially with the Wides activated using DTS Neo X. The Wides filled the gap between the front mains and the side surrounds. The whole soundstage was very cohesive and solid, with no gaps The upgraded system is fully integrated, and immersive but in a different way. It was all on the horizontal plane. With the addition of 3D audio, the immersiveness now extends to the overhead plane as well. Unfortunately, I can't use my Wides much any more. The new Marantz 8805 pre/pro doesn't have DTS Neo X, or Audyssey DSX or Dolby Prologic IIx either. Atmos only uses the Wides when the content is native Atmos. The DSU upmixer doesn't use them at all. DTS:X only uses them with native DTS:X content, (and there is very little of that available.) The DTS Nueral:X upmixer only uses the Wides when I turn off the rear surrounds off. While that is a compromise I'm willing to make to get a solid, cohesive and fully integrated front soundstage, I wish I didn't have to make that compromise.

To be brutally honest, and knowing what I know now, I think I would have done just the 4K projector upgrade at this time, and foregone the 3D audio upgrade. Don't get me wrong, when the content is native Atmos or DTS:X, the system is demonstrably better than prior to the upgrade. However, for all content that uses the upmixers, (probably 80% of what we watch), I've merely traded on kind of immersiveness for another, with the new kind not be appreciably "better" than the old kind. I am hoping that more content becomes available in native 3D audio formats, and as that happens, I believe I will be more content with the audio upgrade.

Craig

Links to pics of new Seymour AV screen: craig john's theater
 

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INCREDIBLE Set Up Craig!



Awesome Job!


PS. there's a few pics I cant see like the Equipment rack and Seats. Wonder if its an issue on my end.
 

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INCREDIBLE Set Up Craig!



Awesome Job!


PS. there's a few pics I cant see like the Equipment rack and Seats. Wonder if its an issue on my end.

Thanks Claude, Frolich and Roger That!


I have reattached the pic's of the equipment rack and the seats. Please let me know if you can see them. Are there any others not showing up?


Craig


PS. Claude, I'm following your thread and will be interested to hear what you think of the JTR's. Frolich and Roger, I have checked your threads as well. Awesome theaters guys!
 

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I can see the Equipment Rack and the seats. They look great BTW!


The only one I cant see now is this:

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There are other acoustical treatments placed around the room to reduce slap echo. Here is a pic of one of them:
 

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I can see the Equipment Rack and the seats. They look great BTW!


The only one I cant see now is this:

I re-attached that one too. I'm not sure why they didn't attach to begin with, but they show at the bottom of the post now, and they didn't before.



Thanks!


Craig
 

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I can see that one now too. It looks great as well - I really like the design and that it matches the curtains in the front of the room.


How far back do you sit from that screen?


Something about this pic gives me goose bumps!


Not sure if its the Platinum Triads, 120inch AT screen, the SubMersiveS or just the combo of everything...Either way, I love it!



PS. The stands look Fantastic!
 
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Wow cj, very nice indeed. Well planned, equipped and exicuted. Looks like someone did their homework. Do you do any music listening on this system or is it strictly ht?
 

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Good Morning Craig,


I'm glad to see you have started a thread about your wonderful HT room.
Everything looks great and from what I know about you that system as been tweaked to the MAX.
Can you decribe how the wide speakers enhance the overall soundstage?
 

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How far back do you sit from that screen?
About 11 ft. It's *immersive*!


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Something about this pic gives me goose bumps!


Not sure if its the Platinum Triads, 120inch AT screen, the SubMersiveS or just the combo of everything...Either way, I love it!
Thanks!

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PS. The stands look Fantastic!
I'll pass that along to DMark1. He deserves the credit for 'em.


Craig
 

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Wow cj, very nice indeed. Well planned, equipped and exicuted. Looks like someone did their homework. Do you do any music listening on this system or is it strictly ht?
Thanks! I listen to a *lot* of music on my system, both multi-channel music and 2-channel. It's a terrific music system as well as a great HT.


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Good Morning Craig,


I'm glad to see you have started a thread about your wonderful HT room.
Everything looks great and from what I know about you that system as been tweaked to the MAX.
Can you decribe how the wide speakers enhance the overall soundstage?
Thanks htg! Good to hear from you!


The Wides can add a level of immersiveness I've never experienced before. They can make you feel like you're in a 3D hologram of sound with a very cohesive front, side and rear surround effect. They can make you feel like you're in the *middle* of the soundfield, which is something no 2-channel system can do, and it's better than a 5.1, or even a 7.1 with rear surrounds, can do.


Note that I said "can." I said that because they don't always do that. When they do it, it's phenomenal. However, they can also cause the imaging to become "unfocused." It may be that the less focused imaging is more "real", but it's not what I'm used to.


Because of this, I don't use it at all for 2-channel listening. Also, in order to use it for 2-channel, you need to use PLIIx or DTS Neo before you can add DSX. The resultant sound is too "processed" for me. It sounds kind of fake. For MC music, it's definitely beneficial on some content... not so much on others. For movies, it generally excellent. In fact, there have been moments where it's jaw dropping.


Bottom line, I'm keeping them, but I don't use them for everything.


Do you still have those Forte's? I loved those speakers!!! My son still has them so I get to visit them occasionally.



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Very nice setup, Craig. A friend has the Triad Golds and they kick like crazy. I can't even imagine what the Platinums can do.

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Also, in order to use it for 2-channel, you need to use PLIIx or DTS Neo before you can add DSX. The resultant sound is too "processed" for me. It sounds kind of fake.

I found when using DSX with 2-ch sources and PLIIx Music mode, that would override my Center Width setting (usually the default #3), and force it to 0, so all the vocals come from the center speaker. This also somewhat collapses the stereo spread. This is done so tat DSX will tap the L/R channels with minimal vocals in them, so as to avoid making them too fuzzy. The 5.1 music I tried has vocals in L/C/R so that was not a happy result, either.

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For movies, it generally excellent. In fact, there have been moments where it's jaw dropping.

Any particular movies/scenes that you recall?


I found some passages in Ratatouille that created extended L/R pans, but I did not hear any soundfield difference.


Where are your surrounds positioned?
 

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Hi Craig a fantastic system. I love the choice of speakers and subs.I bet it sounds awesome
 

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Craig, glad to see this on here. Those chairs look sweet. I hope I still have an invitation to check it out
. Again, one bad ass system that makes me want to try and make mine sound as good as it can. With your help, I am certainly there. Thanks for your help the other day with the amp.
 

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Hi Craig a fantastic system. I love the choice of speakers and subs.I bet it sounds awesome
Hi Frank,


Thanks for the kind words. Coming from you, and knowing what a fantastic theater you have makes this high praise indeed.


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Craig, glad to see this on here. Those chairs look sweet. I hope I still have an invitation to check it out
. Again, one bad ass system that makes me want to try and make mine sound as good as it can. With your help, I am certainly there. Thanks for your help the other day with the amp.
Hi Mike,


Thanks. As soon as I get the new seats, I'm planning to have you and few other forum members over. I'll let you know.


Craig
 
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