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Crown XLS802D - The Power and the Majesty

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Received the very powerful Crown 802D amplifier this week. After the $150 rebate this amplifier is a real value at $400. Please refer to the attached picture as it depicts the internals of the amplifier. The 20 power transistors and 10 individual heat sinks layout is new and nice. I think is superior to the common tunnel sinks. Each channel has a 20 amp switched output relay.

The fans are of excellent quality and do not need to be replaced. For home use installed one 47 ohm 10w power resistor (from Radio Shack) in series with the 12 volt supply to reduce the two fans rpms.


The layout could be better as the input audio signal goes up one side of the power supply board right next to the rectifier block. This physical coupling induces diode switching noise into the audio signal. Worse its tied to the secondaries of the power transformer. As a result the amps signal to noise ratio is poor. As a result you can hear noise even in the tweeter that is just not there in modern amplifiers.

This grey ribbon cable is glued in place and is not practical to modify. So I could only cut the plastic ties and separate the audio cable from the others. This helped somewhat.

The front panel gain pots are of good quality and were set to their maximum for best sound quality.


For conspiracy theorists are Crown and Tapco are deliberately designing in sub-optimized layouts to give buyers a reason to buy their other highly profitable lines? Or are the Chinese designers just inexperienced? I dont know but the evidence is certainly there.


The sound quality is powerful yet at ease, very listenable. In other words that signature XLS sound quality. The TL072 op amps err on the side of warmth and being a bit too homogenous. For my system the solution was to insert an 80 cent A/C ground lifter plug. Now the 802 sound qualities can be described as very powerful, articulate and with wide tonal range. It sounds wonderfully just right.


Contrast this to my modified Tapco 1400 (gain pots and cable near power supply removed, fans replaced) with its 5532 op amps, which errs on the side of being a bit to vivid. (Its all about spectral balance.) But once again inserting the ground lift corrected its anomaly too. It sounds just right too. Next I have to intensely compare them both to finalize which amp is to drive which channels (or subwoofers).


Ensuring that all four amplifiers and 7 speakers are in phase is a time consuming effort. Multi-channel speaker placement is very tough to optimize as the surround channels bass can interfere with the front. I only position the L&R surround to face each other and never toward the front. Your mileage may vary but good luck placing two speakers essentially out of phase with each other and you in the middle.



I drive my system with the new $900 Denon 7100 professional A/V controller. Its the best match I know of for driving any professional balanced input amplifiers.


 

Denon 7100 Preamp Spec Sheet.pdf 314.373046875k . file

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Or are the Chinese designers just inexperienced?

I'll bet on inexperienced. My Crown Macro Reference has one of the best s/n ratios around at a claimed 120dbs., mainly due to very careful circuit layout. So the American engineers know how to do it properly. The Chinese ones are either inexperienced, or it's just cheaper that way.
Using a ground lifter plug resulted in better sound...?


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Using a ground lifter plug resulted in better sound...?


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No but it is dangerous and stupid. Better hope all the internals of your complete system is soldered good and none of them are grounding out to the case andhe or a friend or kid ever gets the killer shock.


Lift the signal ground if you want but NEVER the AC ground.Its just not debateable unless your a total idiot.

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For conspiracy theorists are Crown and Tapco are deliberately designing in sub-optimized layouts to give buyers a reason to buy their other highly profitable lines? Or are the Chinese designers just inexperienced? I don't know but the evidence is certainly there.

Well, that's what you get for a few hundred dollars (not that bad a buy). Most people these days are not experienced in analog design as opposed to digital design. Just positioning parts the wrong way can get bad results.
So reincarnate, do you prefer the Crown 802D or the Tapco?


Where did you pickup the Denon - B&H? Looks like a little wait to get one!

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No but it is dangerous and stupid. Better hope all the internals of your complete system is soldered good and none of them are grounding out to the case andhe or a friend or kid ever gets the killer shock.


Lift the signal ground if you want but NEVER the AC ground.Its just not debateable unless your a total idiot.

isn't this the situation that those of us living in houses with pre-1950's/60's wiring live with every day?

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No but it is dangerous and stupid. Better hope all the internals of your complete system is soldered good and none of them are grounding out to the case andhe or a friend or kid ever gets the killer shock.


Lift the signal ground if you want but NEVER the AC ground.Its just not debateable unless your a total idiot.

The fact is the safety ground is almost obsolete for modern HOME A/V equipment design.

Funny as most manufactures omit this old fashioned safety ground too in their design as a cost cutting effort.

Then they use a cheap flimsy plastic power cable. These exposed cables are more of a hazard on the floor to all human beings, fido and especially for starting fires.

Then there are the fuses wire in series which would quickly blow. Then the polarized plugs.

In my thirty years of being around gear I never once heard of anyone being shocked (to death) by touching an exposed chassis.

Achieving optimum sound quality has everything to do with managing the ground currents in the system. Some components sound better with the green A/C chassis ground engaged and others do not. A ground lift switch (which separates the signal from the chassis ground) is ideal. These sonic differences have major implications in a high end system. It can either make or break a system. Why spend $$$ on a system if it sounds hard, constricted and bright?


Those who are worried should go back to their two pronged receivers and then only use the remote.



Note: Airborne induced RF interference should be dealt with first as the two cause similar symptoms and cannot be practically seperated. Sad but true.


Excuse me while I go take my chances while driving my car to work.
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Each Crown XLS amp have different noise. You can get one completelly quiet and another very noisy. Me and my brother we both have Crown XLS amps. His is quiet even at full gain while mine was very, very noisy even at half gain. Mine was so noisy I was going to return it.


But for my luck I decided to take a look inside. I saw the horrible mistake of bundling power with input signal! It is by chance that some are quiet.


This is what I did to my amp. Do it at your own risk. Warning, ELECTRIC SHOCK HAZARD this amp stores high voltage and it is present in the heat sink.


To fix the noise problem release the cable ties bundling the cables next to the power supply. Take the fan power cable and twist it at about 2 twist per inch. Then re-bundle in two separate bundles. One for all power including fan and one for signals including the gray ribbon. Then use cable ties to join the two bundles assuring clearance to the heat sink of the power output. Do not over-thigh the cable ties. Make sure no cable is close to touch the heat sinks. The amp should be so quiet that to hear any noise you need to put your ear to the speaker and set the gain to max.
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