[serialmike]

I see over and over on the forums about the look of the old CRT and how the flat panels out as of now will never look as good.


I have been thinking alot about this and often go over to the 20 inch crt sets my kids have and look at them vs my new 52 on SD channels.


I think many people have this on a pedistal feeling toward CRT.


Granted the blacks were better on some CRT but that certainly wasnt all of them. After going back and forth to the sets and looking very close at the small sets I can tell you the following.


The same defects you see on your giant flat panel LCD or Plasma are there on the 20 inch CRT. The CRT just covers the noise and defects more because the image is blurred from the inherent lower resolution technology. Also I believe that the CRT in most case has much brighter whites than the Larger panels. this isnt because we cant drive the panels that bright but because if we did we would burn out eyes out on the larger screens. This brighter white tends to hide the defects in the signal more.


I actually think more people calibrating thier sets is allowing people to see the defects in SD TV alot more than previously. I believe in CRT days people took thier sets home and watched them Overdriven contrasts and all. And this hid alot of the bad image.


Sure there used to be huge SD projection sets and they looked awesome. Have you gone to a friends that still has one or a bar and seen one lately. BLUUURY and dim. Again hiding all the defects.


Another contributing factor to new sets SD looking bad is stretching the image. Now I am guilty of this because the wife hates the bars but when you have the bars and watch a 4:3 SD picture in 4:3 the image is actually startlingly good if you go and compare the same signal on a little 20 inch CRT. You will find the same garbage in the image on the 20 inch CRT at close range.


Overall I think the biggest issue vs an old CRT is more people putting it on a pedistal and black color combined than it is actually worse. In almost all ways I can see comparing the 2 set types the Flat panel technologies are actually better.


My 2 cents

 

[duffman13]

there are alot of other flaws in CRT as well that I personally can't get over. Most notably with convergence and geometry, and the ease of getting discoloration/degaussing issues. I have a 24" sony Wega that i find almost unwatchable due to a light green blob in one corner and geometry problems that hours messing with the service menu can't fix. The TV is less than 4 years old too, so it's a bit premature for any TV to do that. Geometry i think is my biggest issue

 

[oldcband]



Quote:
Originally Posted by serialmike /forum/post/16839823


I think many people have this on a pedistal feeling toward CRT.


Another contributing factor to new sets SD looking bad is stretching the image.

Correct your spelling on pedestal. Not being rude just trying to help then I'll edit this post.


My Sharp's stretch beautifully. This can't be said for all TV makers.


I have two XBR's (close to studio quality) 25" CRT's and hooked to cable and could be the smaller screen but they look much better in SD then my three flat panels.

 

[maxdog03]



Quote:
Originally Posted by serialmike /forum/post/16839823


I see over and over on the forums about the look of the old CRT and how the flat panels out as of now will never look as good.


I have been thinking alot about this and often go over to the 20 inch crt sets my kids have and look at them vs my new 52 on SD channels.


I think many people have this on a pedistal feeling toward CRT.


Granted the blacks were better on some CRT but that certainly wasnt all of them. After going back and forth to the sets and looking very close at the small sets I can tell you the following.


The same defects you see on your giant flat panel LCD or Plasma are there on the 20 inch CRT. The CRT just covers the noise and defects more because the image is blurred from the inherent lower resolution technology. Also I believe that the CRT in most case has much brighter whites than the Larger panels. this isnt because we cant drive the panels that bright but because if we did we would burn out eyes out on the larger screens. This brighter white tends to hide the defects in the signal more.


I actually think more people calibrating thier sets is allowing people to see the defects in SD TV alot more than previously. I believe in CRT days people took thier sets home and watched them Overdriven contrasts and all. And this hid alot of the bad image.


Sure there used to be huge SD projection sets and they looked awesome. Have you gone to a friends that still has one or a bar and seen one lately. BLUUURY and dim. Again hiding all the defects.


Another contributing factor to new sets SD looking bad is stretching the image. Now I am guilty of this because the wife hates the bars but when you have the bars and watch a 4:3 SD picture in 4:3 the image is actually startlingly good if you go and compare the same signal on a little 20 inch CRT. You will find the same garbage in the image on the 20 inch CRT at close range.


Overall I think the biggest issue vs an old CRT is more people putting it on a pedistal and black color combined than it is actually worse. In almost all ways I can see comparing the 2 set types the Flat panel technologies are actually better.


My 2 cents

I agree as I replaced a JVC 32" I'art (about 7 years old) about 8 months ago and my 40" flat panel is a better set all around on SD and the JVC was one of the better rated sets the year I got it. Add in the fact that it weighed a ton and took 2 decent size guys to move and it's no comparison. A very poor picture will look worse on the flat panel but if it's a decent feed (which most is now from my cable company) the flat panel is easily the winner.

 

[MrBobb]

I bid good riddance to CRT tech. I finally got rid of my humongous, gut-busting 120 LB analog CRT. Every time it turned on, it would do the degaussing thing as if it's going into infart. My new LCD panel boots up silently and even gives a nice tone.


Once in a while, I consider getting myself some old-skool tube audio equipment, and always talk myself out of it, too much hassle. I like them maintenance-free.

 

[VR6]



Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBobb /forum/post/16841711


I bid good riddance to CRT tech. I finally got rid of my humongous, gut-busting 120 LB analog CRT. Every time it turned on, it would do the degaussing thing as if it's going into infart. My new LCD panel boots up silently and even gives a nice tone.


Once in a while, I consider getting myself some old-skool tube audio equipment, and always talk myself out of it, too much hassle. I like them maintenance-free.

Tube equipment built right can easily outlive you!


My XBR960 starts quietly and hopefully last as long as the last one the Sony Trinitron my family owned,a good 18 years.


I just built a 6B4G PP tube amp that should last many years.Quite underbuilt and not run pedal to the metal!

 

[MrBobb]



Quote:
Originally Posted by VR6 /forum/post/16844162


I just built a 6B4G PP tube amp that should last many years.Quite underbuilt and not run pedal to the metal!

U hafta warm up the tubes br4 using them. That alone crashes with my NOW DAMMIT lifestyle.

 

[RandyWalters]



Quote:
Originally Posted by VR6 /forum/post/16844162


Tube equipment built right can easily outlive you!


My XBR960 starts quietly and hopefully last as long as the last one the Sony Trinitron my family owned,a good 18 years.

CRT Tube TVs are rated for a 30,000 hour life. LCD TVs are rated for 60,000 hours. Plasmas are rated from 60,000 hours to 100,000 hours (Panasonic).


Tube TVs always have geometry problems. Some Tube TVs put out more heat than much larger flat panel TVs do (as per my own direct experience).

 

[borf]

still can't beat crt's in most areas like black detail and motion resolution. and hey, what are the funny boxy looking things at the end of these videos. gosh, you would think the sponsors could afford something better...



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[SteroMAdMAn]



Quote:
Originally Posted by serialmike /forum/post/16839823


I see over and over on the forums about the look of the old CRT and how the flat panels out as of now will never look as good.


I have been thinking alot about this and often go over to the 20 inch crt sets my kids have and look at them vs my new 52 on SD channels.


I think many people have this on a pedistal feeling toward CRT.


Granted the blacks were better on some CRT but that certainly wasnt all of them. After going back and forth to the sets and looking very close at the small sets I can tell you the following.


The same defects you see on your giant flat panel LCD or Plasma are there on the 20 inch CRT. The CRT just covers the noise and defects more because the image is blurred from the inherent lower resolution technology. Also I believe that the CRT in most case has much brighter whites than the Larger panels. this isnt because we cant drive the panels that bright but because if we did we would burn out eyes out on the larger screens. This brighter white tends to hide the defects in the signal more.


I actually think more people calibrating thier sets is allowing people to see the defects in SD TV alot more than previously. I believe in CRT days people took thier sets home and watched them Overdriven contrasts and all. And this hid alot of the bad image.


Sure there used to be huge SD projection sets and they looked awesome. Have you gone to a friends that still has one or a bar and seen one lately. BLUUURY and dim. Again hiding all the defects.


Another contributing factor to new sets SD looking bad is stretching the image. Now I am guilty of this because the wife hates the bars but when you have the bars and watch a 4:3 SD picture in 4:3 the image is actually startlingly good if you go and compare the same signal on a little 20 inch CRT. You will find the same garbage in the image on the 20 inch CRT at close range.


Overall I think the biggest issue vs an old CRT is more people putting it on a pedistal and black color combined than it is actually worse. In almost all ways I can see comparing the 2 set types the Flat panel technologies are actually better.


My 2 cents

It's hard to take this seriously since you're compairing a 52" HDTV Flat panel to a 20" SDTV crt. Therefor I won't and will save my breath...

 

[Dartman]

Some of the poorly designed CRT sets had awful black level with many dark areas going gray because of lousy dc voltage restoration or other problems in the tuner RF AGC circuits and things. Thats why some sets before HD took over always sold at a premium, their stuff always looked great and held up a long time. Zenith back when they were US made was like that and there were a few others that could match then at times.

Once flat panel LCD and projection HD tvs came about most folks just went ga ga over how light and thin they were and forgave any faults becuase they were also BIG.

I'm still using a Toshiba 34HFX84 CRT set here and I'm 99 percent happy with it, nice black level, great mostly accurate color, and the geometry is about perfect.

BUT it's HEAVY and small by todays standards. You could also replace or rejuvenate a old CRT sets tube, doubt that will ever happen with the way the new tech is designed.

If I had the money today I'd probably get a Kuroo plasma set myself before they all go away. It was not uncommon for a properly designed and setup CRT TV to still look good 20 years later, yet a poorly made one could be dead after 2 or 3 years.

Biggest problem now is nothing is made to be serviced and they are trying to make us pay yet again just to get rid of junk electronics that are made to be thrown away in the first place.

 

[SteroMAdMAn]

Yeah, my dad still uses his 32" Trinitron set he bought in '94. Picture is still good for SD.


Don't know if my Plasma will still be in use 15 years from now... Even if I weren't a tech junkie that will replace it for reasons other than it breaking. Well... Maybe it will be a good bedroom TV by then