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Current: Tripplite ISOBAR6ULTRAHG --- Upgrade to SurgeX or don't bother?

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Hi everyone,

I'm probably trying to scratch an itch that's not there but my goal is to minimize chances of damage to my A/V equipment. I currently have two floorstanders, two subs, and an AVR to protect. Everything is plugged into one Tripplite "Hospital Grade" Isobar Ultra Diagnostic Surge Suppressor:


I am lost with regards to MOV and SMP stuff but I do know that Tripplite employs MOVs and SurgeX uses SMPs. I'm seeing a bunch of great deals on used SurgeX and Zero Surge (Brickwall) items on Fleabay and was wondering if it would be beneficial to upgrade to one of these units. All that COUVS, ICE, Advanced SMP stuff sounds amazing so I'm just verifying that this isn't marketing hype but legitimate technology for safeguarding equipment.


SurgeX SX-AX15E:
The Axess ELITE is a complete power management system that provides remote insight and control of the electrical power consumed by an underlying device. It enables the switching of devices in various power modes, each with different power usage characteristics related to device performance. Giving technicians the ability to easily manage their installs remotely and limit service calls.

  • IP enabled two-way communication
  • Displays real-time power and energy usage
  • Collects rack temperature, voltage, and current draw measurements
  • Displays a log file for advanced monitoring
  • Non-sacrificial components
  • Advanced Series Mode® surge elimination technology
  • Impedance Tolerant EMI/RFI Filter
  • COUVS® catastrophic over/under voltage shutdown
  • SurgeX ICE® inrush current elimination
  • Magnetic shielding steel enclosure


SurgeX XR315 Home Theater:
Protect Your Home Theater Like the Pros
Home theater and residential applications require clean, safe power to perform at their peak. Utilizing the proper home surge protector and power conditioner products is a small price to pay to safeguard this valuable equipment from the unforeseen consequences of power surges and electrical line noise.

  • Non-sacrificial components
  • Magnetic shielding steel enclosure<
  • Thermal circuit breaker overload protection
  • Self-test circuit with visual indicator
  • 9’ grounded 3-wire cord



SurgeX SX-1115-RT:
Surge Elimination with Remote Turn-On

The SurgeX SX-1115-RT and SX-1120-RT rack mount surge protectors offer comprehensive power protection and conditioning to safeguard AV equipment from harmful electrical transients that can cause malfunction and downtime. They allow technicians to turn equipment on or off remotely for quick reboots that can reduce service calls.

  • Remote turn-on
  • Thermal circuit breaker overload protection
  • Self-test circuit with visual indicator
  • Magnetic shielding steel enclosure
  • Non-sacrificial components
  • 9’ grounded 3-wire cord
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I did a half-way decent amount of research on Surge X and also searching on eBay/etc.
A lot of the newer surge X products aren’t truely series mode protection, so If you have a product in mind, best to give them a call to verify. Their website/product line is doing what I would call “leveraging” based on it’s name….you see Surge X and think “series mode” based on their history, but their new lines aren’t necessarily packing that technology.

Zerosurge and Brickwall, on the other hand, is the traditional series mode protection.
But…..for the ones you see on eBay: make note of the model number for 15 vs 20amp. If 20 amp, it has a 20amp plug so you must have a 20mp circuit. And/or, the other units I frequently saw….were units that must be hard wired.

Regarding brand: Each company and/or if you research back on old threads, are gonna mention that they were either the founder, that they sold or using the rights, or are “innovating” from the original patent. In my opinion, it likely doesn’t matter Assuming You just want something that likely works and gives piece of mind.

Also, you could look at Furman PST-8 and some other furman products that talk about series Technology. There was discussion that they may be using the “series” name somewhat loosely, but then I found a thread that someone at Furman (and I also confirmed by calling) that said it does use both series and MOV. You may wanna call them to confirm.

Basically, in a nutshell, if it’s mentioning a joule rating, it’s unlikely to be a true series. Cause joules are an MOV rating as far as I understand.

Other notes:
Surge X was helpful when I called….I even mentioned the confusion in the products and what’s what with regard to series mode protection. But, they were also very technical, which is above my knowledge base lol.
Brickwall was also helpful when I inquired about some of the models that I saw on eBay.

Final Note: I’m no electrical engineer.…. Just an average joe consumer That was looking at series mode protection for piece of mind. Ended up getting a SurgeX SA-15 off eBay from a computer parts seller that seems to get a few of them from time to time. Mine was dated about 5-7 years old (I don’t remember at the moment).….but for the most part from what one of the “big 3” told me, Age and condition prolly doesn’t matter until you’re looking at like 15-20 years out.
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I’ll add one more thing. My setup:
Cyberpower UPS to provide battery backup for my dish box and TV
Older Monster Power power conditioner/surge protector for my other components (uses MOV, but per Monster, if it’s working, then it’s still protecting)

I originally had the Monster Power and UPS each plugged into the receptacle on the same wall outlet)
After getting the SA-15, I have the SA-15 plugged directly into the receptacle, and then the MP and UPS plugged into each outlet on the Surgex Unit.
So, now I’m getting series protection from the wall as a first-line, and the MP and UPS are providing their designated duties (power conditioning, backup, etc) without much regard to ”joule life remaining”
I’ll add one more thing. My setup:
Cyberpower UPS to provide battery backup for my dish box and TV
Older Monster Power power conditioner/surge protector for my other components (uses MOV, but per Monster, if it’s working, then it’s still protecting)

I originally had the Monster Power and UPS each plugged into the receptacle on the same wall outlet)
After getting the SA-15, I have the SA-15 plugged directly into the receptacle, and then the MP and UPS plugged into each outlet on the Surgex Unit.
So, now I’m getting series protection from the wall as a first-line, and the MP and UPS are providing their designated duties (power conditioning, backup, etc) without much regard to ”joule life remaining”
What are your thoughts on this SurgeX Ametek UPS-2000-OL (online) unit?

UPS STANDALONE
Standalone Battery Backup

SurgeX online double conversion standalone UPS battery backup solutions deliver clean continuous power, via online double conversion technology, to ensure the safe shutdown of equipment in the event of an outage. All incoming power is converted from AC to DC and then back to AC. If the main power is interrupted, the batteries are still holding up the incoming DC supply to the inverter, so the load continues to be supplied with absolutely no interruption whatsoever. The zero transfer time guarantees mission critical equipment remains up and running.

  • Online double conversion technology
  • True sinewave output
  • Controllable receptacles
  • Hot swappable battery
  • Configurable as tower or 19” rack
  • Intuitive LCD screen
  • Optional SNMP card to monitor and manage the UPS via the network


The UPS-2000-OL shall be a two-rack-space or tower on-line UPS unit in a steel and plastic enclosure. It shall operate at 120 volts AC at both 50 or 60Hz and have a 6-foot, grounded, 3-wire #12 line cord. There shall be 5 grounded AC receptacles on the back panel. This unit can accommodate additional battery cabinets to extend its autonomous run time. Overall dimensions shall be 3.39” H x 17.24” W (or 19.0” W with ears) x 20.20” D. Weight shall be 58 pounds. The UPS-2000-OL shall have a total load rating of 2,000VA / 1,800 Watts. This unit can accommodate an optional SNMP network card for unit monitoring and shutdown.
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What are your thoughts on this SurgeX Ametek UPS-2000-OL (online) unit?

UPS STANDALONE
Standalone Battery Backup

SurgeX online double conversion standalone UPS battery backup solutions deliver clean continuous power, via online double conversion technology, to ensure the safe shutdown of equipment in the event of an outage. All incoming power is converted from AC to DC and then back to AC. If the main power is interrupted, the batteries are still holding up the incoming DC supply to the inverter, so the load continues to be supplied with absolutely no interruption whatsoever. The zero transfer time guarantees mission critical equipment remains up and running.

  • Online double conversion technology
  • True sinewave output
  • Controllable receptacles
  • Hot swappable battery
  • Configurable as tower or 19” rack
  • Intuitive LCD screen
  • Optional SNMP card to monitor and manage the UPS via the network


The UPS-2000-OL shall be a two-rack-space or tower on-line UPS unit in a steel and plastic enclosure. It shall operate at 120 volts AC at both 50 or 60Hz and have a 6-foot, grounded, 3-wire #12 line cord. There shall be 5 grounded AC receptacles on the back panel. This unit can accommodate additional battery cabinets to extend its autonomous run time. Overall dimensions shall be 3.39” H x 17.24” W (or 19.0” W with ears) x 20.20” D. Weight shall be 58 pounds. The UPS-2000-OL shall have a total load rating of 2,000VA / 1,800 Watts. This unit can accommodate an optional SNMP network card for unit monitoring and shutdown.
Honestly, commercial / enterprise battery backups are above my knowledge base, And at $2000+ its also above my pay grade lol

I have a simple $150-ish Cyber Power pure sine wave connected to the simple SurgeX 15A surge protector.

We don’t get many outages in my neighborhood, so My main use of the UPS is moreso to keep power to my dish so that if there’s a quickie flicker, it doesn’t take 5 minutes to restart the dish box. And then to turn off my plasma TV if I happen to be watching at the time of a power outage, since quick on/off with plasmas aren’t good

for other protection, The Monster Power unit I have most of my stuff connected to, has voltage sensing and will shut down if too high or too low, and then has a timed/delay turn-on, so I don’t worry too much about the few components I have connected to that.

So, TLDR: My “worry” is moreso about electical surges/etc. My only worry about the actual power outage is the inconvenience of my dish box being offline (either for recording, or when trying to watch away from home). And also, the opportunity to turn off my plasma if needed.
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I decided to jump on the UPS-2000-OL because it was brand new in box and for a steal, significantly less than retail. I just have a 65" OLED, two subs, two floorstanders, and one cheap Denon AVR to protect so I'm not even sure if I need it.
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Stop emptying your bank accounts for band-aids and just get the Siemens FS140 and be done with it.

Stop emptying your bank accounts for band-aids and just get the Siemens FS140 and be done with it.

Thanks for that Link, as I’ve been looking into some whole house units……
personally, my plan is to eventually try to add a whole-house, but between this ridiculous heat all summer to do as a DIY, and/or trying to get a contractor during covid economy, for me the simple SurgeX in my main priority room has been suffice for the interim.
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