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Ok some people may want to setup a highpass filter on my DCX 2496.


I know there was a post laying out how to perform such a miracle, just can't seem to locate said this elusive thought process.


From what I remember a 15hz roll off is attainable, or possibly lower?


Maybe someone could help lay down the guide lines here on how to set this up...
 

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I was under the assumption that there was no way to set anything below 20Hz.


All filters seem to have a bottom limit of 20.

It would be a huge bonus to have something variable below what.
 

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Illka--I used the Behringer DCX2496, but it actually doesn't have a 15 Hz HP filter. I used its lowest, 20 Hz (12 dB/octave Butterworth), setting instead but used a wide boost (bandpass filter) around 20 Hz, so effectively the filter was around 15 Hz. I couldn't have gone much lower with the DCX2496


Seaton--Hi Ilkka, Awesome results on this sub and of course the data on all the others. FYI, you can use the DCX to high pass lower than 20Hz. There are two means to get an effective lower frequency high pass filter. If you look at both 12 & 18dB/octave Bessel filters, you will see the sharper roll off is in fact a good bit lower than the nominal Fc. Addition of 1-2 PEQ's makes a lower effective XO pretty easy. The other, more straight forward option is to use a Butterworth or LR with a simple 12dB/Oct Low Shelving filter (would have to check the "Q" of the shelf to see if or LR matches best). In simple terms, you are basically applying a Linkwitz Transform to the high pass filter. Works just fine within reason. There is probably some point where the cut and boost exceed the working range of the DSP math, but I've done this in practice a few times with good results.


VAS--you can't ( as far as i can tell ) set any filter to lower than 20 hz on either DCX or DEQ however what you can do is:


1 - set SSF to 20 hz


2 - apply parametric boost at 20 hz at the same time


3 - apply CUT at around 25 hz or so


by playing with the parameters of these 3 filters you can get 2 and 3 to mostly cancel each other out above 20 hz but their net effect will be significant boost below 20 hz


this boost below 20 hz will interact with 20 hz SSF and the net result will be that the boost will largely get cancelled and SSF will shift down in frequency.


how much lower you would be able to push the SSF frequency would depend on the order of the highpass. you would be able to push a 6db/oct highpass much lower than a 48db/oct highpass.




WmAX--Well, that's actually quite easy. The DCX does not have ability to set filters below 20Hz. While this may seem to high, it's not really. You can easily extend the actual filter by for example setting high pass filter to 20Hz, 2nd order, Butterworth. Now add a single parameteric band at 20Hz in the EQ section on the unit, set to Q of 1.5 and gain of +4 dB. This will counteract and extend the roll off, giving you an effective roll off on the 13w7 of -3dB around 17Hz and -6db around 14hz, with rapid roll off after this; exactly what you want with this 10 cubic foot cabinet tuned to about 16Hz to prevent excessive excursion under this tuning frequency.
 

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Thanks.



Yes, that confirms what I was thinking and doing here.


I was hoping there was a slightly more straightforward method, but I guess it is what it is.
 

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Ya, it is bummer that we always have to jump through hoops to make this stuff work. The DCX is nearly perfect in every way. If they just had the ability to control things directly down to 5-10 Hz it would be the icing.
 

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The other annoying thing is that you can't see how things are ultimately affected in the 20Hz limited display/interface, unless you run a sweep in REW.

Of course, the sweep is ultimately what matters. But, it would be nice to see what the intended results are without requiring a sweep.
 

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Originally Posted by Warpdrv /forum/post/18112174


Ok some people may want to setup a highpass filter on my DCX 2496.


I know there was a post laying out how to perform such a miracle, just can't seem to locate said this elusive thought process.


From what I remember a 15hz roll off is attainable, or possibly lower?


Maybe someone could help lay down the guide lines here on how to set this up...

Now what are you up to? hehe
 

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Nothing buddy.... I was talking through PM to Joe about setting up the DCX, he has been doing what I was doing and holding off on getting the DCX for a full automated unit, but as everyone knows, the stuff that is out there is just not as capable as us tweakers wanted. He was wanting to have something to highpass his pair of LMS's, but I couldn't seem to remember where to find that post from.... I knew I read that it could be done. Though if everything is setup right the sealed LMS's shouldn't necessarily need a highpass.


Fatawan, could you post a link to that thread here as well...

I still can't seem to find the darn thing...
 

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Originally Posted by jpmst3 /forum/post/18119993


What is a B2?

I believe that is the Reckhorn B2.


If a high pass filter is needed, the Elemental Designs EQ.2 can go as low as 5 Hz (on the dial). I have not measured what the slope is though.
 

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I'm going to post this again :



The DCX2496 does go lower than 20hz.


IlKKA who is A Subwoofer Expert and happens to have the SUBWOOFER tests forum over at HTS also works in the industry "Genelec" uses A DCX2496.... Here is what he had to say:

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I used the Behringer DCX2496, but it actually doesn't have a 15 Hz HP filter. I used its lowest, 20 Hz (12 dB/octave Butterworth), setting instead but used a wide boost (bandpass filter) around 20 Hz, so effectively the filter was around 15 Hz. I couldn't have gone much lower with the DCX2496.IlKKA....

This was in regards to Ilkka's DIY TC sounds LMS 5400 + 2x18"PR 200L, Sub Tests thread.


And then this reply from Mark Seaton:

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Quote"Hi Ilkka, Awesome results on this sub and of course the data on all the others. FYI, you can use the DCX to high pass lower than 20Hz. There are two means to get an effective lower frequency high pass filter. If you look at both 12 & 18dB/octave Bessel filters, you will see the sharper roll off is in fact a good bit lower than the nominal Fc. Addition of 1-2 PEQ's makes a lower effective XO pretty easy. The other, more straight forward option is to use a Butterworth or LR with a simple 12dB/Oct Low Shelving filter (would have to check the "Q" of the shelf to see if or LR matches best). In simple terms, you are basically applying a Linkwitz Transform to the high pass filter. Works just fine within reason. There is probably some point where the cut and boost exceed the working range of the DSP math, but I've done this in practice a few times with good results.

vasyachkin also confirmed this :
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you can't ( as far as i can tell ) set any filter to lower than 20 hz on either DCX or DEQ however what you can do is:


1 - set SSF to 20 hz


2 - apply parametric boost at 20 hz at the same time


3 - apply CUT at around 25 hz or so


by playing with the parameters of these 3 filters you can get 2 and 3 to mostly cancel each other out above 20 hz but their net effect will be significant boost below 20 hz


this boost below 20 hz will interact with 20 hz SSF and the net result will be that the boost will largely get cancelled and SSF will shift down in frequency.


how much lower you would be able to push the SSF frequency would depend on the order of the highpass. you would be able to push a 6db/oct highpass much lower than a 48db/oct highpass.
And WmAX also had something to say..

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Well, that's actually quite easy. The DCX does not have ability to set filters below 20Hz. While this may seem to high, it's not really. You can easily extend the actual filter by for example setting high pass filter to 20Hz, 2nd order, Butterworth. Now add a single parameteric band at 20Hz in the EQ section on the unit, set to Q of 1.5 and gain of +4 dB. This will counteract and extend the roll off, giving you an effective roll off on the 13w7 of -3dB around 17Hz and -6db around 14hz, with rapid roll off after this; exactly what you want with this 10 cubic foot cabinet tuned to about 16Hz to prevent excessive excursion under this tuning frequency.
 

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Originally Posted by d_c /forum/post/18119740


The B2 goes to 10hz

That is what I was guessing, but not much to do with this thread.


There about 30 things the DCX can do that B2 can't, so...
 
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