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Hey all! I'm moving this discussion over from the PSB speakers thread where I just finished getting help from some VERY knowledgeable folks on set up. I was hoping someone could make some suggestions... Here's the thread I've hijacked and brought over here:


Those seem to be way out of my price range, and probably a little overpowered too. Thanks for the link though I'm only looking at budget subs, and don't really need much past 100 watts I would think. I've done a mind boggling amount of research over the last couple hours ( incidentally an excuse to listen to my newly discovered psb awesomeness )... and have come to this conclusion: I know nothing haha. Perhaps this isn't the best forum for sub discussion, but keeping with the psb theme, I've heard that their subs are good " linear subs " which might, from what I understand, keep the bass for music and HT a little tighter. This tells me it might be better for my medium sized room ( and an apartment I might add ). Beyond that I understand that frequency response down to 20 - 30 hz is coveted. I certainly don't need room shaking sound! I need clear bass to compliment my current system. Further to that, it's my understanding that non ported subs are ideal for music ( though they are more expensive and I'll also use it for home theater ). There are an absolutely dizzying array of manufacturers to choose from, with Dayton's, Bic's, some Energy and to a smaller extent Polk audio being decent budget subs. What I should make clear is that, unlike most other budget sub seekers, I wouldn't want to rate the budget sub being a "good value" on sheer wattage or room shaking noise alone. I'd rather have a less powerful sub with clearer bass response, be it linear, ported or sealed. I'm tempted to stick with psb's for timbre matching, though again this doesn't seem like a priority with subs. The dayton subs are super cheap and well received, but I've a feeling that's because more then anything they are LOUD. This one by HSU seems worth saving up for, as it sounds like you can tune it to your hearts content, right down to choosing whether to have it sealed or ported: http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-1mk2.html . If anyone could suggest a sub that plays low frequency clearly - that doesn't have to be loud, that would be great! in other words - My biggest wants here are depth and clarity as opposed to loud.
 

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Originally Posted by Sean Spamilton  /t/1466708/decent-subwoofer-for-an-apartment-concrete-floors-and-walls#post_23163681


My biggest wants here are depth and clarity as opposed to loud.

Well, based on your above, you can't have it: "Magic Bus."
 

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Originally Posted by BeeMan458  /t/1466708/decent-subwoofer-for-an-apartment-concrete-floors-and-walls#post_23163751


Well, based on your above, you can't have it: "Magic Bus."

Why do you believe that? A deep and clear subwoofer can have the volume turned down just like any other sub.
 

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Well, based on your above, you can't have it: "Magic Bus."

I'm sure I can find something to further compliment my system. I've currently got a Denon DSW 391 left over from an old build, and it actually does an o.k. job, an in fact compliments music and movies more so then not having it on at all. That being said, since I've just shelled out a considerable amount to upgrade to the PSB Image 5 set of speakers ( T5's, B5's, C5's, working on the S5's) I'd like to upgrade my Sub as well. The Sales manager at the store had almost contempt for my Denon sub haha. In any case, at the very least my current sub doesn't allow me to set a crossover frequency, so although it sounds ok, I'm sure one that can be calibrated ( as opposed to ON / Off ) would fit in nicely with my new soundstage.
 

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Good luck with your efforts. If it were easy, we'd all buy 100w amplifiers to run our subwoofers. Personally, based on what you posted, I see your expectations exceeding reality. Although being an obvious buzz-kill, that's not my intent. The intent is to encourage you to increase your budget expectations so you won't meet with disappointment.


Of late, I've read a lot of posts where folks are asking for advice, with expectations of high performance, performance while wanting to integrate a low performance subwoofer system.


To compliment your new speaker system, my recommendation would be to buy from Newegg, a pair of Klipsch, RW-12d subwoofers.
 

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Good luck with your efforts. If it were easy, we'd all buy 100w amplifiers to run our subwoofers. Personally, based on what you posted, I see your expectations exceeding reality. Although being an obvious buzz-kill, that's not my intent. The intent is to encourage you to increase your budget expectations so you won't meet with disappointment.


Of late, I've read a lot of posts where folks are asking for advice, with expectations of high performance, performance while wanting to integrate a low performance subwoofer system.


To compliment your new speaker system, my recommendation would be to buy from Newegg, a pair of Klipsch, RW-12d subwoofers.

I appreciate your opinion and honesty even if does throw cold water on my hopes. There is actually a great sale on the speakers you mentioned above at the moment, 350 plus 70 off with a promo code untill the 8th. Certainly something to keep my eye on. One problem from their reviews is that the seem to arrive consistently damaged - some kind of design flaw. That being said it might be worth the risk. As there is really no point to replacing my current sub with one that sounds just a bit better, it might be, as I think you're implying, worth holding off until I have a bigger budget to spend on it. I have heard very good things about the Rythmik LV12R -- for $549.00 + free shipping, and the HSU I was mentioning above. I think maybe the better plan is to hold off until I can buy at this price point.
 

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FYI, in perfect working order, one of those on sale at Newegg, RW-12d's arrived on our front porch this morning,


Yes I agree, there does seem to be a certain "crapshoot" quality regarding the act of ordering this unit from Newegg and the expectation of it arriving in perfect working order. We got lucky.



Depending on what one's expectations are, one needs two, three or four subs to deal successfully with their room's acoustics. Today's arrival makes for a total of three subwoofers. Compared to many subwoofer systems presented on these pages, ours would be considered a very conservative or inexpensive subwoofer system; three inexpensive (minimum in nature) subs with room measuring capability.


To be encouraging, our road consisted of acquiring room measuring capability and then upgrading existing eighteen year old Klipsch, SW12 II subwoofers with new drivers and radiators before purchasing the additional Klipsch, RW-12d.


My goals are twofold (simple), without benefit of room treatments, to achieve a flat room response (measurement) and second, to have what I consider to be, decent Home Theater bass with a bit of mid-bass slam. Above that, I have no expectations.


The intent of the above is to encourage buying an initial sub with what I would consider to be "minimal" substance, with later, your eye on buying a second, third or fourth sub along with room measuring gear so you can "PROPERLY" integrate the subs into your room's acoustics. Personally, I believe the Klipsch, RW-12d is a realistic minimum standard to start with. And, of course, three Rythmik LV12R's would be better and so on up the subwoofer food chain.


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I live in an apartment with concrete walls and floor, with my main living / kitchen / dining all-in-one room at 20'x14'x7'9", so almost 3000cuft, I think?


I picked up a secondhand SVS PB12-Plus/2 - 2x12", 16Hz tuned, 900w, makes things rattle nicely
- and so far no complaints from the neighbours... just have to use common sense on when to turn it up!
 
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