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I could use some preferably unbiased advice between these two TVs.


I am leaning towards the Plasma but I do have somewhat of a bright living room. I need some advice or I will never get any sleep due to researching reviews.


Thanks ahead. Scott
 

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Was it something I said?
 

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I'm having a similar problem, I'm trying to decide between the the PN50B650 or the panny 50" G10 or a LN46B650 and really kind of not sure what to do, the plasma is cheaper bigger and clearly has a better PQ than the LCD but the risk of burnin and how hot they run are keeping me from pulling a trigger on the plasmas... I watch a lot of letter boxed stuff and keep it on channels like CNN a lot with static kind of displays as well as expecting to hook up a computer and XBOX 360 to it
 

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I'm having a similar problem, I'm trying to decide between the the PN50B650 or the panny 50" G10 or a LN46B650 and really kind of not sure what to do, the plasma is cheaper bigger and clearly has a better PQ than the LCD but the risk of burnin and how hot they run are keeping me from pulling a trigger on the plasmas... I watch a lot of letter boxed stuff and keep it on channels like CNN a lot with static kind of displays as well as expecting to hook up a computer and XBOX 360 to it

Burn in isn't really an issue as long as you don't abuse it. Burn in is something that happens over a long period of time, so as long as you vary your viewing material, you shouldn't have to worry about it. The first 150-200 hours is when it will be most susceptible, but after that, you should be able to enjoy your set worry free.


As for heat, this also isn't really an issue unless the room you plan on putting the TV in is smaller, and even then it doesn't make THAT much of a difference.


With that said, there are other reasons why you should consider one technology over the other. IMHO, although Plasmas are quite a bit brighter now, I still think LCD is better suited for bright rooms with a lot of ambient lighting.


I'm going with a Plasma (either the G10 or the PNB650) for a few reasons: 1. it will be going in the basement which will be relatively dark 2. (and most importantly) a G10 or B650 is considerably cheaper than a comparable LCD. I've traditionally been an LCD fan because I tend to prefer a brighter picture and power consumption was also a concern of mine, but PDP's consume less power and they're brighter than they were before so now is a good time to jump into the PDP camp.
 

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well one problem is it's going in a bedroom so the heat is an issue for me, how much more heat does an plasma put out compared to an LCD? I'm not to worried about the ambient lighting as it's not over bright, nor the glare issue off the glass display... especially since the LCD I'm considering, the LNB650 is reflective as well. I'm not to concerned about power consumption, the newer plasmas are a lot better in that area as well but more power use=more heat. Plasmas now also seem to be a lot lighter than they used to be, I was surprised to find the PN50B650 was only 70 pounds, that's not bad at all. Really it comes down to my fear of plasma burn in vs. loss of PQ using an LCD... well that and the plasma is a bit bigger and a bit cheaper.
 

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go bigger get the 50".

newer plasma panels rarely get burn in. maybe a little IR= image retention but that goes away quickly. if you do a break in period and get past the first 150-200 hours that should not be a problem.


you shouldn't have much heat issues with a 50" either, yes it puts off some but not too bothersome.
 

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Asking this on the plasma forum will mostly result in getting a plasma recommendation. Try asking this in the lcd forum and you will get a lcd recommendation.


To ease your concerns, burn-in on plasma tvs have been solved a few years back, so every set is very resistant. I know personally that Panasonic and Pioneer do not even get temporary image retention even with heavy use.

Regarding heat, you are not going to feel warmer with the tv on, I can assure you. No plasma gets hot enough to affect room temps in any way.
 

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Thanks for the input. I went with the Samsung Plasma. Now the task of getting the picture set to my preferences is the real challenge. So far the slightly tweaked cnet 650 settings look pretty good.
 

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what do you think of the plasma, Scott? did you check out the G10? is the sammy about as good? how do you feel about the plasma vs. the LCDs you looked at? does it get hot? I know just having computers in a room causes the temps to go up, so I'm concerned that something putting out computer type heat will increase temps.
 

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Scott,


If you want the most out of your HDTV, spend some more money and get ISF calibration done on it. It will lower your power consumption and reduce the heat it produces, because you won't be running it in torch mode that is the default setting on new Flat Panel HDTV.
 

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You don't need to dole out all that money for an ISF calibration just to save power consumption or reduce heat! Just drop it in movie mode, and turn the contrast down as much as you can tolerate. It's really that simple. They also have power-saving options on these TVs.


Of course the person should definitely wait a bit before getting their B650 calibrated. Make sure they are past the 30 day return policy and that they do not have any buzzing or IR issues, like some have reported. You don't want to pay for a calibration and then have to send the set back or get the panel replaced after shelling out all that money. Make sure your Samsung is rock solid and you plan on keeping it for a while before getting calibrated.


I can get a PN50B650 for just over 12 bills out the door. I'm not sure it's worth paying for a calibration on such a cheap TV. I suppose it all depends on how cheap you can get that B650 calibrated. It would probably depend on how many inputs you ask the calibrator to calibrate.
 

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Well I didn't say 1200 flat. But I don't want us to get in trouble for pricetalk, so I shot you a PM. Let's stick to technical talk.


I personally prefer the picture on the B650 to the G10, and the B650 has more features, better styling, etc. but the concerns about buzzing and the broken Cinema Smooth have prevented me from biting. The Panasonics don't seem to have a buzz problem and they do offer better resistance to IR than the Samsungs, so they do have their advantages, in addition to better blacks and better shadow detail.


All the plusses and minuses on these sets are pretty well known, and most people agree on much of them.


The Samsung has a useless Cinema Smooth; the Panny has a useless 48hz

The Samsung has more issues with IR; the Pannys are worse when it comes to phospohor trails, if you are sensitive to that kind of thing.

The Samsung has better colors; the Panny has better blacks

The Samsungs are classier looking like a German sports car; the Panasonics are more boring and drab like a Lexus, but have that Japanese reliability.


The main thing that hurts the Panasonic is the lack of a swivel stand, the cheap remote, the scarcity of picture controls, the drab looking menu, and fewer gizmos and features. Their picture doesn't have that razor sharpness that you get on the Samsungs either.


The thing that hurts the Samsung is fears about buzzing and reliability.


I don't worry about reliability so much because I would not keep the TV past the 15 month warranty Samsung offers (if you register within 10 days) anyway. I would flip it and upgrade to the new model before the warranty expired.


Anyway the deal on the B650 I was referring to came with an extra year warranty (total 2 years) to boot. You can get a G15 for a similar price as the B650 anyway, so might as well get the slimmer model Panny.
 

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thanks for the PM, isn't the G15 basically the exact same as the G10? I thought the B650's cinema smooth actually worked and it properly handled 24p sources (though I read something about it resetting picture settings?? but I would hope that's been fixed by now)... the buzzing does give me pause especially since I'd most likely want to get online and getting one with a buzz that I couldn't return would be a hardcore bummer, plus I'd be planning on keeping it 5 years minimum, not something I'd flip.
 

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Can't go wrong with either. I have a PN50B650 and like it a lot but to be honest I've become really paranoid about IR, especially when watching movies with black bars. It's very noticeable. I know I shouldn't worry about burn-in but I'm always uneasy nonetheless.


Probably would have went with a 46B630 LCD if I could do it over because of no IR, a less reflective screen, and 50 inches is just a bit too big for my room.
 

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hmm well the IR/burn in issue definitely worries me, I was totally in the plasma camp until I just read that... also I wonder if a 50" is to big for this room, a 46" LCD might be better... but I know I'm compromising PQ if I go with an LCD and the lnb650 is a couple hundred dollars more expensive for a smaller screen so I'm still unsure what to do, keep thinking if I buy an LCD I'll regret not going for the PQ but if I get the plasma I'm concerned I'll sit around worried about IR and burn in and I watch a lot of letterboxed stuff, and I don't mean 4:3 on an HD channel I mean like turner classic movies with letterboxing on top and bottom as well as CNN with tickers on screen... just trying to decide is going to give me an ulcer never mind the IR paranoia
 

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Well I spent about an hour and a half at sears today looking over TVs, the LNB460 was really nice looking, I have to admit... the G10 they had... I thought looked like crap... must have been setup wrong? all the plasmas definitely looked dimmer and really the area they were in was not what I'd have considered overly bright... the G10 had poor blacklevels from what I was looking at, I was really disappointed, the samsung looked better, sharper, better blacks, but I have to admit the samsung LNB650 stood out and looked really good.. the plasmas did put out heat but I'm not sure if it would be enough to really crank up the heat in here, on the other hand my PC raises the temp in this room, now I'm back leaning towards the LCD
 

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In in the exact same boat right now - weighing the PN50B650 vs. the LN46B630. I really like the USB movie feature, so I've ruled out the G10 Panny, but could conceivably go with the S1 if the price is low enough. Either worries about buzz, IR, and glare with the plasma or the poor motion resolution (which actually does bother me) and unnaturally bright picture on the LCD. Glad to see I'm not on the only one wrestling with this choice between two very different TVs.
 

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1) From what I've heard, the G15 is essentially identical to the G10, except the top half of the set is thinner---around 2 inches wide. Thinner form factor, at least for the top half of the TV.


2) The Cinema Smooth on the B650 does not work properly, and I wouldn't hold out much hope that Samsung is going to fix it--but you never know. The 48hz on the G10 doesn't work very well either, so I guess there is no incentive for either to fix their 24p implementation if their competition doesn't fix theirs either.


3) It's proper to say, "would have gone," and incorrect to say "would have went". Always watch out for those past participles! "I went..." becomes "I would have gone..." Don't take it personally. I notice in the message above, after I posted, that I accidently slipped in an extra s when I spelled "plusses," which I should have spelled with one s as "pluses".


4) If you are hyper-sensitive to IR issues, go with one of the Japanese manufacturers like Panasonic or Pioneer. The Korean makers (LG and Samsung) are not as good in this area.


I would buy a Panasonic PDP before going with the smaller Samsung LCD. Panasonic makes a quality plasma that most people are quite satisfied with. So what, their colors are not perfect. But they do have noticeably better blacks than the Samsungs.


The G10 will not look good in the bright lights of the store. It washes out a bit faster under the harsh lighting than the B650, because its filter is not as dark. Go look at one in a more moderate environment and the G10 will fare much better. What do you want for 50 inches at less than $1200?


In the high end section of my local Magnolia there are two walls adjoining one another, and one wall opposite, which have a total of 25 TV's lit up on them. I counted how many downward firing incandescent ceiling lights they have recessed into the ceiling. There were a total of 17 (!) of them and they were 70 watt lights. Granted, they were obviously not running at full brightness. Perhaps they were only running at 25% brightness or something like that. But even with all the light from the 25 TV's in that section that was being reflected, along with the 17 lights, the lighting is still more moderate than Sears, Best Buy, etc. But it's by no means dark. And in this setting the blacks on the G10 looked a bit darker than on the Samsungs.


So TRUST ME, when you get the G10 home and away from the bright lights, and you watch in a normal viewing environment, the blacks on the G10 will have no trouble surpassing that of the Samsungs. In a dark room you will easily be able to tell the difference.


Perhaps I should upload some screenshots from the 2009 HDTV shootout to demonstrate the difference in a dark room.
 

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Hey DocuMaker, would you mind uploading those pics if you have the chance? I know I for one would like to see them
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Finally, to both LCD/plasma owners: putting aside things like bulb life(to me, the numbers they quote for bulb life is high enough regardless), is there any reason to think that LCD is more robust then plasma? I had always been under the impression, that LCD's could take more abuse (from moving them to everyday wear and tear), but is this true?


Luckilly my room wont be shaking so im not concerned, just wondering.


Oh and back on topic (id still say go plasma haha)
 
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