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So here's the deal:


I've been looking at TVs for a couple months now, and I thought I had my heart set on the ST60 given its stellar reviews all round, but then the 2013 Samsung (F5300/F5500) plasmas hit, and I was suddenly back to square one. I have combed these forums for answers, and have not come to any conclusions, so I am going to go ahead and ask people to convince me one way or another.


The extra screen real estate on the samsungs and the Vizio are awful tempting, but since the samssungs don't have ANY notable reviews out yet, and the vizio reviews are generally positive with a dash of negative thrown in regarding reliability and PQ, I just need to talk this decision through.


I want to keep my price range at around $1000 +/- 100.
 

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Here's my thoughts:


ST60:

Extremely deep blacks

Amazing 2D picture quality

Decent 3D once adjusted

Best bang for the buck

Somewhat high input lag (which many are saying isn't as big of an issue as people let on.)

Minimal glare


F5500

Vibrant

Solid 3D

Great Smart TV interface

Not as high input lag (based on user experiences)

Blacks not as deep as ST60

Can double as a mirror


Vizio:

Will have that brightness and pop of LCDs

Pretty decent image quality

Lots of Smart content

Sexy design, nice and thin


I haven't used the Vizio at all or seen it on display. I've just read reviews during my research for a new TV. I was torn between the 60 inch F5500 and the ST60. I ended up going with the ST60. For the 1200 price range, I don't think you could go wrong with the F5500. Keep in mind however that the 60 inch uses a pentile display and the 51 and 64 inch versions do not.


If you don't care about 3D, want the best picture you can get for the 1100-1200 price range, I'd actually recommend the Panasonic S60. If you can stretch your budget to 1499 I'd say get the 60 inch ST60 or 64 inch S60.
 

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There havent been any pro reviews that I ahve heard of on the lower Samsung models so we can only go by owner reports. The ST60 however is very well regarded, so I would tend to lean toward that as a recommendation.


We still dont know:

What you will be watching

They envirnemnt the TV will be goign into

What you are looking to get out of the TV


Jsut to start off, its not as simple as heres the best set
Id prefer to give youa recommendation based on your needs rather than what is generally thought of as the best. Leth gave a good breakdown however.
 

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Originally Posted by Ph8te  /t/1471559/deciding-between-the-pan...00-f5500-and-the-vizio-e601i-a3#post_23285368


There havent been any pro reviews that I ahve heard of on the lower Samsung models so we can only go by owner reports. The ST60 however is very well regarded, so I would tend to lean toward that as a recommendation.


We still dont know:

What you will be watching

They envirnemnt the TV will be goign into

What you are looking to get out of the TV


Jsut to start off, its not as simple as heres the best set
Id prefer to give youa recommendation based on your needs rather than what is generally thought of as the best. Leth gave a good breakdown however.

Yeah...Viewing habits, room set up, content would be useful information I suppose :p
 

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I just picked up the Samsung PN60F5500 on saturday and got it wall mounted. I only have a few hours of view time on it so I can't provide much input yet, but major points that I have noticed are :


The screen is very reflective, even with the curtains closed (not black) I can still see myself in it. We have a window directly behind the couch/infront of TV so that seems to be the worst. I had a lamp on the other night off to the side and it didn't have much of an impact on the reflectivity, so it seems to be when a window or light source is parallel to the TV.


Screen is very thin, and the bezel around the tv is about an inch on the sides, and a couple inches on the bottom, so not as thin looking as LEDs.


I found the picture to be pretty great on Blu-Ray (running a Sony BDP-5100 3D blu ray) I watched Avatar 3D and Transformers (non-3D) on blu ray and the colours and blacks were impressive for me, coming from a 5 year old LG Plasma. I'm sure the high end TVs are better, but for the price I paid I wouldnt expect much more.Avatar in 3D was impressive and cool to watch in 3D


Regular HDTV (1080i) or 480p television is not too bad. I was watching hockey game last night and noticed some automatic dimming of the screen that seemed to be occuring over and over. I had all the eco settings and all that stuff turned off and didn't seem to help. Seems to be some kind of brightness pop based on what I've googled, hopefully it goes away and isnt a reoccuring problem, seems to only be noticeable on very white scenes like hockey ice, I'll keep looking for it the next time a game comes on.


I havnt been able to find some decent calibration settings other than last years Samung PNE550 by CNET, which I find very dull looking and not very vibrant on the movie mode and settings used. If anyone has any recommended settings I'd be willing to try them out, however still keeping settings low during a break in period. Maybe i'll start a thread to that effect.
 

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Originally Posted by Ph8te  /t/1471559/deciding-between-the-pan...00-f5500-and-the-vizio-e601i-a3#post_23285368


There havent been any pro reviews that I ahve heard of on the lower Samsung models so we can only go by owner reports. The ST60 however is very well regarded, so I would tend to lean toward that as a recommendation.


We still dont know:

What you will be watching

They envirnemnt the TV will be goign into

What you are looking to get out of the TV


Jsut to start off, its not as simple as heres the best set
Id prefer to give youa recommendation based on your needs rather than what is generally thought of as the best. Leth gave a good breakdown however.

Content (In order of Frequency): Netflix/BluRay movies/Cable Programming/Gaming


Environment: Small living room, with couch about 7-7.5 feet from TV table. Patio doors next to couch, plan on buying heavy curtains.


Goal: Best PQ/Size combo for the money given my environment.


Thanks for the help you guys.
 

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Originally Posted by silvervulcan  /t/1471559/deciding-between-the-pan...00-f5500-and-the-vizio-e601i-a3#post_23285658



I havnt been able to find some decent calibration settings other than last years Samung PNE550 by CNET, which I find very dull looking and not very vibrant on the movie mode and settings used. If anyone has any recommended settings I'd be willing to try them out, however still keeping settings low during a break in period. Maybe i'll start a thread to that effect.

Bargervais posted these settings in the F5500 Vs ST60 thread and also mentioned a firmware update which improves fleshtones. Ver 112 or something like that.
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mode standard

cell light 17

contrast 93

brightnes 46

sharpness 0

color 49

tint 50/50

screen size screen fit

dynamic contrast off

black tone off

flesh tone 0

rgb off

color space native

white balance all at 25

gamma 0

motion lighting off

color tone standard

digital clean view auto

mpeg noise filter auto

black optimizer auto
 

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Thanks, I'll give this settings a try. I find the standard much more natural than movie mode. Every calibration i've seen for samsung has been movie mode. I ordered the Disney WOW calibration disc so im interested to see what those results give.
 

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Originally Posted by Randomite  /t/1471559/deciding-between-the-pan...00-f5500-and-the-vizio-e601i-a3#post_23285683


Content (In order of Frequency): Netflix/BluRay movies/Cable Programming/Gaming


Environment: Small living room, with couch about 7-7.5 feet from TV table. Patio doors next to couch, plan on buying heavy curtains.


Goal: Best PQ/Size combo for the money given my environment.


Thanks for the help you guys.

If your going to be able to control the lighting then I would seriously take a look at either the ST60 or the S64.....Also, I would go see the sets in person if you an to see if you like the "look" of the displayed picture. Both Panasonic and Samsung have thier own "look" some dont like the way Samsungs look and otehrs dont like the way Panasonics look.
 

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Originally Posted by silvervulcan  /t/1471559/deciding-between-the-pan...00-f5500-and-the-vizio-e601i-a3#post_23285904


Thanks, I'll give this settings a try. I find the standard much more natural than movie mode. Every calibration i've seen for samsung has been movie mode. I ordered the Disney WOW calibration disc so im interested to see what those results give.

Movie mode is used for calibrations because it's the mode that's closest to the targeted standard out of the box.
 

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I'm looking at these. Must be 50-51 inch for the room that it's going in. Mix of gaming and movie watching.


Panasonic 50-Inch 1080p 600Hz 3D Plasma TC-P50ST60 - $999

Samsung 51-inch 3D 1080p 600hz 3D - Plasma PN51F5500 $847.99


Is the Panasonic the better unit? I've heard that the PN51F5500 has less input lag. Which one should I go with? I can control the lighting down to dark in the section of the basement that it's going in as I have recessed lighting and no windows.


Samsung 51-inch 3D 1080p 600hz 3D- Plasma PN51F8500 $1,599.99 (Don't need all the bells and whistles that it has over the 5500)

Panasonic 50-Inch 1080p 600Hz Plasma TC-P50S60 - $649.99 (No 3D, but worse yet is that it has more input lag than the ST60)

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn51f5500/4540-6482_7-35757117.html?rid=35567256
 
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